GWT: UCL Matchweek 2 & 3

[cgf]

Maybe Ajax should join the Budesliga, so Bayern could have some real competition

I mean, my great-grandparents' generation tried to bring them into the Oberliga...

 

[maclean]

Nothing brings the footballing community together like a steamrolling Ajax team, really warms the heart

(also this board needs more positive smilies, they basically all express negative emotions...)

 

[bluesfan94]

Congratulations for completely ignoring what I said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.in-24.com/sports/news/amp/47998
https://www.google.com/amp/s/psgtal...enalty-conversion-rate-since-joining-psg/amp/

Which part did I ignore? I gave the stats on a handful of world class players.

 

[bluesfan94]

I was pretty clear that I was not making this into a career conversion rate contest. A player like Kruse is nowhere near world class. It’s debatable whether Bruno is. Was Le Tissier? Either way, he hasn’t played top level football since 2002. He’s multiple generations removed from the current one.

So if it’s not about penalty rates for top players, what do you mean by best at taking penalties?

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I mean, my great-grandparents' generation tried to bring them into the Oberliga...

Genuinely funny. @The Abusement Park

 

[The Abusement Park]

Genuinely funny. @The Abusement Park

@cgf learned from the best

 

[Savant]

You mean Ajax have some real competition

In all honesty it appears they have a real up set (again) in them. They will take the top spot in the group and I wouldnt want to face them at all.

Didn’t Bayern try/threaten to join Serie A not too long ago

 

[Savant]

I think Fabinho has missed one single penalty in an official game in his career : at Dortmund in the CL QF.

Fabinho missed a penalty in his first (I think) PRESEASON game for Liverpool and to my knowledge was not given another chance since. Hasn’t really hurt LFC though but the majority once LFC fans have no idea how good he is there.

Also was funny when a Man Utd supporting friend was trying to troll me about why Fabinho’s goal numbers “dropped” when he left Monaco (while he had no idea he was on PKs there), and Fabinho was on the way to being a bust.

 

[cgf]

Didn’t Bayern try/threaten to join Serie A not too long ago

That was 20 years ago, back when Serie A was the big money league with the biggest tv contract.

 

[KlausJopling]

Barcelona has a good game at the weekend. Koeman: time to put in Luke de Jong

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Barcelona has a good game at the weekend. Koeman: time to put in Luke de Jong

Its a must must win game and he rolls with this...

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This might be the most absurd post you have ever made, despite the steep competition for that title.

I should’ve specified football, not poker.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So if it’s not about penalty rates for top players, what do you mean by best at taking penalties?

Are you kidding? How is taking a penalty against Oldham or Duisburg in a cup match the same as taking a penalty in a key game for the Seleca or for PSG in the UCL? Not all penalties are created equal. Some have easier environments for their stats than others. That’s why I was very specific that it’s a subjective discussion. Is the guy with the highest SH% in NHL history the best shooter in NHL history?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

A Dortmund fan who doesn't believe Michael Zorc with his 85.5% success rate is the best penalty taker ever is somewhat suspicious to begin with.

Do you also struggle with reading comprehension? I don’t know how much more clear I could be.

 

[cgf]

Are you kidding? How is taking a penalty against Oldham or Duisburg in a cup match the same as taking a penalty in a key game for the Seleca or for PSG in the UCL? Not all penalties are created equal. Some have easier environments for their stats than others. That’s why I was very specific that it’s a subjective discussion. Is the guy with the highest SH% in NHL history the best shooter in NHL history?

A Dortmund fan should know better than to doubt Kruse's penalty-taking...

Transfermarkt shows a players' penalty record, take a look & tell me which keeper that Neymar beat, would stop Max from scoring?

 

[bluesfan94]

Are you kidding? How is taking a penalty against Oldham or Duisburg in a cup match the same as taking a penalty in a key game for the Seleca or for PSG in the UCL? Not all penalties are created equal. Some have easier environments for their stats than others. That’s why I was very specific that it’s a subjective discussion. Is the guy with the highest SH% in NHL history the best shooter in NHL history?

Of course not, which is why we're not looking just at conversion rate but also volume. And you weren't specific it was subjective at all when it came to calling him uncommonly good, especially in your first post. Obviously you made it subjective once people said you were wrong.

But certainly Messi, Ibra, Ronaldo, Salah, etc. have never taken high pressure penalties. Again you said he was uncommonly good. So you'd expect his conversion rate to at least be significantly higher than others with such accolades. You told me to look it up. I did. He isn't. You can say that he's subjectively the best (although I have no idea how you would subjectively determine that one person is better at penalties without factoring in whether the penalty was successful or not)

 

[gary69]

Lewandowski's career penaties is 64/70 per Transfermarkt, so 91.43 %. Has missed 1 pen from his last 23 since 18/19 season, so been at 95% rate for the past few seasons.

 

[Evilo]

Fabinho missed a penalty in his first (I think) PRESEASON game for Liverpool and to my knowledge was not given another chance since. Hasn’t really hurt LFC though but the majority once LFC fans have no idea how good he is there.

Also was funny when a Man Utd supporting friend was trying to troll me about why Fabinho’s goal numbers “dropped” when he left Monaco (while he had no idea he was on PKs there), and Fabinho was on the way to being a bust.

Or a Pool fan here saying Fabinho wasn't much of a player and downplaying here at every opportunity.
Only player under Klopp with Thiago that can claim to have been labeled as world class before joining them.

Anyway, yes he missed a preseason pen, which is why I said official.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Of course not, which is why we're not looking just at conversion rate but also volume. And you weren't specific it was subjective at all when it came to calling him uncommonly good, especially in your first post. Obviously you made it subjective once people said you were wrong.

You entered the discussion at a point where there was nothing unclear about what my point was. Maybe the initial person who disagreed could have claimed ignorance. Trying to bring up full career stats as a response to the point I was making and then telling me I’m missing something is awfully rich.

 

[Evilo]

Again people, Ney's success with his pens over the last few years is entirely different in style compared to his previous record. He DID turn into an incredible shooter.
Ibra was also quite the scorer indeed.
Pauleta was also something back in the days.

Those styles are different though. Ibra shot with force, Fabinho changes every single time, Neymar does his walk, hesitation and slowly lets the ball get into the goal when the goalie is on the other way.

EDIT : I never agreed Ney was the best ever BTW. But he's among the best of his generation right now in that aspect.

 

[bluesfan94]

You entered the discussion at a point where there was nothing unclear about what my point was. Maybe the initial person who disagreed could have claimed ignorance. Trying to bring up full career stats as a response to the point I was making and then telling me I’m missing something is awfully rich.

Your point was that he was uncommonly good at penalties among world class players. I just don't understand how you can say that while ignoring that his conversion rate is on par with other world class players.

You can subjectively say he's the best all you want, I won't argue with you. To say he's uncommonly good and then shutting your eyes to the actual penalty results is silly.

 

[cgf]

Adeyemi to good.

God I hope Jaissle doesn't get Tuchel'd. He could become a really great coach.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

This defence is horrendous. Lenglet what happened to you man.

sign martinez plz

 

[Brunkmeister]

This defence is horrendous. Lenglet what happened to you man.

sign martinez plz

Why didn’t they sign the mighty Romero?

 

[cgf]

Nmecha equalizes. This is shaping up to be a fun game...