Player Discussion Tyler Seguin

[Noodletoro]

Short version:

- I've been there before man. I've seen things.
- **** you guys who don't like me. You ****ing frauds. I'm here to deliver you the real talk. You gotta deal with it.
- Seguin is a super talent, but me, HFBoards poster David Krejci, knows how he should change his game. Its simple: be more like Patrick Kane and Phil Kessel.
- You guys should totally be concerned about your 22 year old center that was #4 in scoring not being a complete player yet. Yes Kari Lehtonen had a save percentage of .885. Yes, you are paying money to Sergei Gonchar and Ray Whitney for something . Alex Goligoski and Trevor Daley are your top pairing d-men. But this Seguin guy, this is a real problem that needs to be discussed. Its good I am here to do it! Why aren't you talking more about how Seguin was a problem? We Bruins fans know how to win. I'm just trying to help you little Stars fans figure out what went wrong so you can get better next time. K?
- I'm a little butthurt over the trade but it ain't that bad. Bruins are still pretty awesome. Did you know I like the Bruins? They are pretty great. I'm not one of those naughty Bruins fans that can't stop bashin on Seguin. No boo boos from me I'm one of the good guys. Honest!
- I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their avatar but by the content of their posting.

 

[David Krejci*]

The one thing I have to say on this sort of issue is that this was his first instance as "the guy". And from what I've seen from him this year, this sort of criticism inspires him to play better. He started the year off on fire, he was even better after not being named to Team Canada. He seems to love to have the "**** the haters" attitude.

I don't think he is in the top 5 (hell maybe even 10) of who we should be focusing on improving their game or complaining about, though he certainly could have given more this series.

That's a fair point about being "the guy" for the first time. I definitely think he came into the year with a chip on his shoulder, and like you said, not being named to Team Canada is only going to exasperate that.

I agree that the rest of your team has plenty of room for improvement as well, and with an experience like this, losing like that, honestly it is going to help them going forward. Jamie Benn is a legitimate leader, and I think that Tyler Seguin can be as well some day. So to have an experience like that, "you have to learn how to lose before you can learn how to win" kind of thing, will be beneficial for your team in the long run. They will come back next year with even more to prove. Just like the Bruins did after their horrid collapse in 2010, and after a big playoff disappointment as a young team in 2009.

When I think of your team's fanbase in the future, I will think of your ability to actually have the sense to take the time to read an outsider's viewpoint and to formulate an objective response and create a civilized discussion, rather than some of the trolls who take everything out of context and hyperbolize everything and make themselves look like complete fools.

Well shoot, since you know it all, we should just fire Lindy Ruff and let you be our head coach.

That probably wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

Short version:

- I've been there before man. I've seen things.
- **** you guys who don't like me. You ****ing frauds. I'm here to deliver you the real talk. You gotta deal with it.
- Seguin is a super talent, but me, HFBoards poster David Krejci, knows how he should change his game. Its simple: be more like Patrick Kane and Phil Kessel.
- You guys should totally be concerned about your 22 year old center that was #4 in scoring not being a complete player yet. Yes Kari Lehtonen had a save percentage of .885. Yes, you are paying money to Sergei Gonchar and Ray Whitney for something . Alex Goligoski and Trevor Daley are your top pairing d-men. But this Seguin guy, this is a real problem that needs to be discussed. Its good I am here to do it! Why aren't you talking more about how Seguin was a problem? We Bruins fans know how to win. I'm just trying to help you little Stars fans figure out what went wrong so you can get better next time. K?
- I'm a little butthurt over the trade but it ain't that bad. Bruins are still pretty awesome. Did you know I like the Bruins? They are pretty great. I'm not one of those naughty Bruins fans that can't stop bashin on Seguin. No boo boos from me I'm one of the good guys. Honest!
- I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their avatar but by the content of their posting.

Sorry for offending you. Seguin's great, everything's great. Great series. 10/10 everything.

 

[Noodletoro]

I love that song, David. Everything really is awesome!

 

[Satan]

Man, I didnt give a **** about Seguin on the Bruins then, so I sure as **** dont give a **** about Seguin on the Bruins now.

 

[cizko]

I am not disappointed with Seguin's play, but I think he tried to go head against the wall with his one timers and slapshots even though it was evident it wasn't working. I don't know what he should change, but I'm sure he will watch a lot of video during the offseason and the next time around he will take a smarter approach to this problem. And Ruff seems like an intelligent person, so probably will help with that too.

But one thing is sure, we need more from our n.1 centre in the playoffs.

 

[Fossy21]

Ironic that Picard is in the avatar of the biggest Loui Eriksson hater on the Bruins board.

 

[Klockis]

Seguin is awesome. But his playoff shooting% is totally sustainable.

 

[Starry Knight]

Oooooo essay post guy is back

Seguin was consistently creating chances and setting people up. No loss in this series can even remotely blamed on Seguin. Your points are not validated by this series.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Oooooo essay post guy is back

Seguin was consistently creating chances and setting people up. No loss in this series can even remotely blamed on Seguin. Your points are not validated by this series.

Seguin is a great talent and will only get better , and thats scary.

 

[MetalGodAOD*]

Krecji, can I ask you something. What does it matter to you? Take a real big step back, take a real 200 mile view of the big picture. What does Tyler Seguin's playoff performances really matter to you? He's not a Boston player anymore.

You keep coming in here under the guise of objectivity and "rational discussion," but that's just a shield you're hiding behind. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin's point totals during playoffs in 2014 should mean absolutely nothing to you. Instead you come in here minutes after our heartbreaking loss to stir up the pot agian, all under the guise of "discussion."

There's only one explanation, and it's pretty obvious. You're still bitter about last year, and you're still obsessing over his play in order to justify the trade. You can deny it all you want, but it's obvious to anyone looking at this. There's no reason to be here otherwise. I'm not going to troll your thread history, but I'd love to see if you're having the same discussion with Blues fans about Backes/Steen, or Tampa fans about Stamkos, etc.

Back to Tyler. It's so so so common for superstars in this league to be considered playoff chokers before they find success. It happened to Datsyuk, it happened to Yzerman, it happened to Beregeron of all people. Tyler Seguin has had more of an impact on his playoff series and more chances than any of those players when they were his age. Sure maybe he doesn't quite have the finish yet. Maybe he's trying to get shots off too quick and could be aiming more. That's fine. The fact he's getting the chances at such a young age gives us hope that, like every other star in the league except Toews/Crosby/etc, he'll round out his game later in his career and become the playoff player we know he can be.

 

[Elysian]

Krecji, can I ask you something. What does it matter to you? Take a real big step back, take a real 200 mile view of the big picture. What does Tyler Seguin's playoff performances really matter to you? He's not a Boston player anymore.

You keep coming in here under the guise of objectivity and "rational discussion," but that's just a shield you're hiding behind. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin's point totals during playoffs in 2014 should mean absolutely nothing to you. Instead you come in here minutes after our heartbreaking loss to stir up the pot agian, all under the guise of "discussion."

There's only one explanation, and it's pretty obvious. You're still bitter about last year, and you're still obsessing over his play in order to justify the trade. You can deny it all you want, but it's obvious to anyone looking at this. There's no reason to be here otherwise. I'm not going to troll your thread history, but I'd love to see if you're having the same discussion with Blues fans about Backes/Steen, or Tampa fans about Stamkos, etc.

Back to Tyler. It's so so so common for superstars in this league to be considered playoff chokers before they find success. It happened to Datsyuk, it happened to Yzerman, it happened to Beregeron of all people. Tyler Seguin has had more of an impact on his playoff series and more chances than any of those players when they were his age. Sure maybe he doesn't quite have the finish yet. Maybe he's trying to get shots off too quick and could be aiming more. That's fine. The fact he's getting the chances at such a young age gives us hope that, like every other star in the league except Toews/Crosby/etc, he'll round out his game later in his career and become the playoff player we know he can be.

Hell it's happening to Crosby and Malkin right now.

 

[Troy McClure]

Seguin did disappoint with his shot selection. He was able to get off some awesome shots, but he looked to be trying to pick the corner on all of them and missing a shocking number of great scoring chances.

That said, Seguin was still one of the best players for the Stars in the series. After all of the garbage peddled by the Bruins, the water-carrying Boston media, and lapdog Bruins fans about how Seguin is weak, doesn't play defense, and can't play in a system, Seguin was awesome at most everything other than scoring goals.

Seguin worked his ass off all season. He started the season unable to win a faceoff and even had those duties taken away because he was so bad, but he became his line's primary faceoff guy in the playoffs and was just over 50%.

 

[ElGuapo]

I am not disappointed with Seguin's play, but I think he tried to go head against the wall with his one timers and slapshots even though it was evident it wasn't working.

That's the thing with me. The difference between him in this series vs. the regular season. Patience. He was loose in the regular season. Here he didn't have enough patience at times and was desperately just shooting shooting shooting. That said it's a small criticism and his playoff shooting % the last two seasons won't hold up. And sometimes it seems you just can't win, as sometimes guys are criticized for over thinking and not shooting enough. I have little doubt he'll get things figured out as he and the team must have learned a ton from this experience.

 

[David Krejci*]

Krecji, can I ask you something. What does it matter to you? Take a real big step back, take a real 200 mile view of the big picture. What does Tyler Seguin's playoff performances really matter to you? He's not a Boston player anymore.

You keep coming in here under the guise of objectivity and "rational discussion," but that's just a shield you're hiding behind. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin's point totals during playoffs in 2014 should mean absolutely nothing to you. Instead you come in here minutes after our heartbreaking loss to stir up the pot agian, all under the guise of "discussion."

There's only one explanation, and it's pretty obvious. You're still bitter about last year, and you're still obsessing over his play in order to justify the trade. You can deny it all you want, but it's obvious to anyone looking at this. There's no reason to be here otherwise. I'm not going to troll your thread history, but I'd love to see if you're having the same discussion with Blues fans about Backes/Steen, or Tampa fans about Stamkos, etc.

Back to Tyler. It's so so so common for superstars in this league to be considered playoff chokers before they find success. It happened to Datsyuk, it happened to Yzerman, it happened to Beregeron of all people. Tyler Seguin has had more of an impact on his playoff series and more chances than any of those players when they were his age. Sure maybe he doesn't quite have the finish yet. Maybe he's trying to get shots off too quick and could be aiming more. That's fine. The fact he's getting the chances at such a young age gives us hope that, like every other star in the league except Toews/Crosby/etc, he'll round out his game later in his career and become the playoff player we know he can be.

It matters to me because my team drafted him and then traded him away after 3 years in the league, and he's a very promising player. I am okay with the trade for now because it hasn't hurt my team yet, but I will always have an interest in his development because it reflects on my general manager what he turns into and the package we got for him. He helped my team win a Stanley Cup, and I will always be appreciative of that and root for him to do well because of it, same with Peverley. The people who booed them when they came back here should be thrown off a bridge, I wanted to puke when that happened and came on here afterwards and ripped those people to shreds.

If the Bruins win a Stanley Cup, whether it be this year, 2 years from now, or whenever, that's enough for me to justify the trade no matter what role Eriksson/Smith/etc play in it, and you will probably never hear from me again. Even though I think the trade was the right move and I trust Chiarelli's judgment, until that happens, I'm always going to have an interest in Seguin and how he develops. I would have the same interest in Kessel if the Bruins hadn't won the Cup a year after trading him, and I did have that interest the year they traded him and didn't have the scoring depth to overcome Krejci being knocked out of the Philly series and suffered that 3-0 series collapse. Kessel's a different story because right from day 1 he was a very consistent playoff goal scorer, but it was still a point of interest.

You can go right into my recent history and see that just yesterday I was calling out multiple Blues players for their inability to find that extra gear in the playoffs that is needed to win/have success in the postseason. Stamkos had 6 goals in his first 18 playoff games, that's a perfectly acceptable number for a young player, and he would have probably had more if the Lightning didn't run into what was probably the best defensive team of the last 20 years and the best postseason goalie performance since Brodeur.

As for your last paragraph, you aren't talking to me. Because I have not once said he's a playoff choker, or that he sucks or anything like that, and anyone who is saying that stuff is a moron. Of course I'm bitter that he didn't do more in the Finals in terms of goal scoring, especially since he had so many great chances. I am sure he probably will eventually get it and score plenty of goals in the playoffs for you guys, but for right now, early on in his career, in a young man's league when plenty of other players his age and even younger are producing a lot more than he is, it is not ridiculous to try and figure out why.

That is the entire point of this website, to discuss things like that. Go look at the main board and see what some idiots are saying on there, and then compare it to what I'm saying. He doesn't suck, his defensive play, backchecking, and playmaking is all there. But if he isn't finding the open space in the neutral zone to gain speed off the rush in the playoffs like he is in the regular season, like some posters here are saying, then it's fair to ask what he can do to find other ways to utilize the world class skills he does have, to find a way to put it all together and become the kind of real threat in the playoffs that he has become in the regular season.

Anyone saying Seguin sucked in the playoffs this year or even last year (other than the first 6 games of the Toronto series), can jump in a lake, because they are flat wrong. But the goals aren't there for a reason, and I'm honestly shocked that so many people are acting the way they are about it.

 

[glovesave_35]

But the goals aren't there for a reason, and I'm honestly shocked that so many people are acting the way they are about it.

We just lost a heartbreaking game to end a hard fought series. Maybe give us a little time to let the emotion erode away so we can logically analyze what we saw over the last two weeks. I have very little use for people who spend so much time on another team's board when it is obvious their discussion is not wanted. I'm sure you're a nice enough guy in real life, but right now you're being a dick and you know it.

Troy, I agree with pretty much everything you said. His all around game was great, definitely a step up from the regular season, but he rushed a few too many shots/deferred to Benn/tried to pick too many corners. I thought he had a good series, not a bad one and not a great one. Once we get some actual secondary scoring in here it will help take the pressure off him and Benn, the latter of which showed that he is still the better player.

 

[Stars99Lobo37]

Once we get some actual secondary scoring in here it will help take the pressure off him and Benn, the latter of which showed that he is still the better player.

Honestly it's pretty freakin scary that we were able to average 3 goals a game without him lighting it up on the scoresheet.

Agreed on your assessment.

 

[David Krejci*]

We just lost a heartbreaking game to end a hard fought series. Maybe give us a little time to let the emotion erode away so we can logically analyze what we saw over the last two weeks. I have very little use for people who spend so much time on another team's board when it is obvious their discussion is not wanted. I'm sure you're a nice enough guy in real life, but right now you're being a dick and you know it.

Again, nobody has a gun to anyone's head and is forcing them to talk about it. There are plenty of people who I have been able to have good discussions with. Why a handful of people think they should be able to dictate what other people talk about on a message board, I don't understand. I also don't understand why someone would be on HFBoards at all if they didn't want to talk about it. Or at the very least in this thread.

 

[glovesave_35]

You posted your latest tome literally minutes after our team was dispatched in OT, at home, in a game where we were up 2 with 2 minutes to go. That says everything about your personality and character.

You literally didn't even give us a chance to bump our own player's thread to say anything negative about him or his playoffs before you came running over telling us how you saw more of the same.

 

[glovesave_35]

As far as who has the right to tell people what to talk about, I haven't seen many (if any) Stars fan interested in discussing this with you right now, yet again. The common refrain has been "go away". We had the discussion with you a freaking week ago. The time now just isn't right. Be prepared for a bunch of us coming over to your neck of the woods two seconds after your team is eliminated to have a lot of rational discussion.

 

[David Krejci*]

As far as who has the right to tell people what to talk about, I haven't seen many (if any) Stars fan interested in discussing this with you right now, yet again. The common refrain has been "go away". We had the discussion with you a freaking week ago. The time now just isn't right. Be prepared for a bunch of us coming over to your neck of the woods two seconds after your team is eliminated to have a lot of rational discussion.

Go ahead, if that happens, I'll be right there with you ripping my players who deserve to be ripped because I'm not a fraudulent homer, just like I was last year after our collapse in Game 6 of the Finals. And I'm not going to go on HFBoards to complain about people who go on HFBoards to talk about the game that just transpired.

There have been a few people who have discussed it with me. The majority of them are saying "go away" but those aren't the people I'm interested in talking with in the first place, so.

 

[Bkennedy*]

You're blind if you think he played badly this post-season. Just completely blind or didn't watch at all.

 

[David Krejci*]

You're blind if you think he played badly this post-season. Just completely blind or didn't watch at all.

You're blind if you think I said anything even remotely resembling anything about him sucking. Just completely blind or didn't read at all.

 

[Brand New Stars]

Well that's mature. Maybe just focus on Bruins talk?

 

[David Krejci*]

Well that's mature. Maybe just focus on Bruins talk?

I've just gone pretty far out of my way to make it clear that he didn't suck as a player, even last year in the playoffs for the Bruins. It was one of my main points in the first post I made in this thread before the Dallas/Anaheim series even started. So yes it's frustrating to see someone just completely disregard that and take everything else I'm saying as me saying "he sucks." when it couldn't be further from the truth and I'm explicitly saying that he doesn't suck. He hasn't even played badly, nevermind sucked.. People on the main board are saying that, but they're clueless, so their opinion is irrelevant anyways.

 

[oconnor9sean]

You seem like that little brother that can't take a hint to GTFO