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Tyler Randell Vs. Max Talbot -Highlander Rules: There can only be one

Colt.45Orr

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I'm not sure that these 2 players have played in the same game this year as Randell always seems to come out of the line-up to make way for coach favourite Talbot. I'm wondering how Julien justifies this as Talbot gets played as an energy forward on the 4th line but is incapable of doing this at any level. A washed up french guy brings back bad memories for me of Begin and many other cooked vets that Julien has played way, way, way too much over the years but I tried to look at it objectively and see where the Pros and Cons are.

Speed:
Randell
Tablot
Talbot in his day but there is no power left in his stride. No advantage either way.


Grit/Toughness:
Randell
Tablot
Huge, huge, huge advantage here to Randell. I believe the Bruins (as a team) play better with a HW scrapper in the lineup. 0-2 against the Oilers this year with Gazdic, Gryba etc in their line-up so playing toughness doesn't cost them wins but we sat Randell for both games Vs. the Oil and put Talbot in for both.


Scoring:
Randell
Tablot
Talbot has 0 goals in 28 games in Boston. Colorado was so happy to get rid of him that they offered to pay as much of his salary as they could to get him out. Has passed through league waivers TWICE without being claimed and Randell has nice hands and a quick release. Advantage Randell over 2015 version of Talbot.


Experience:
Randell
Tablot
Advantage Talbot. But does a team with Chara, Seids, Bergeron, Krejci etc need a guy like Talbot to hold their hand in the dressing room?

PKing:
Randell
Tablot
Again, advantage Talbot but I'm not seeing anything special that he is doing on the PK. Am I missing something? This isn't because of the injury to the Finn either as Talbot was in an out all season long.


Positions:
Randell
Tablot
Advantage Talbot (being able to play C) BUT ADVANTAGE Randell because we don't want Talbot playing C! Ferraro is much better suited for the job and that puts Talbot on the RW --where Randell is more effective


I ran the numbers quickly and the team is:

4-6 with Talbot in the Line-up
9-6 with Randell in the Line-up


I know those numbers don't tell the whole story, but they tell part of it ....and I've seen this story play out before --coach falls in love with washed up vet forward at the expense of a younger and better player who brings more, overall, to the team. Sweeney needs to have a sit down with Julien because nobody else wants to take Talbot for free.
 
Every day Talbot is in the lineup over Randell a little piece of me dies on the inside.
 
Talbot is a non-factor in the NHL. He has 1 shot on goal in his last 6 games. Jay Pandolfo was more effective as a Bruin...
 
I'd definitely agree with advantage Randell, but I don't think it's really "the" thing that's keeping the team from doing what they should be doing.

The simple fact of the matter is that these are fourth liners. The fourth line's playing 12 minutes a night, and they should be the easiest 12. The fact that we're even talking about needing to improve the fourth line shows to me that the team's not really in awful shape.

The real problem that we have rhymes with Colin's last name.
 
When Rinaldo and Randell are in the lineup, it's can't miss TV. My eyes are always glued. They are entertainment at it's finest. You know a big hit will happen. A fight. Something. Randell should be an everyday player.
 
I know that the D is the biggest concern on this team; a huge concern in fact. But when you've got guys like Talbot in teh lineup potentially holding back a better fourth line, why in god's name wouldn't you bench him for a guy like Randell?

I know it's not the sexiest thing in hockey anymore to be a physical team, but I distinctly recall more than one thread on here clamoring about the need for accountability when Thornton left. There was plenty of irritation on here because the team looked and skated soft, especially when playing the habs. I don't know about you guys, but i'm sick of aging vets getting a pass to do virtually nothing just because they used to be good, while young guys like Randell, who are pretty much guaranteed to do more by just playing, have to sit and miss out on gaining new experience every game.

Randell has four goals already in the few games he's been in. He can shoot, if not the greatest in the world. He can hit. And more, he has a haymaker that could hold its own with anybody else's in the league, as far as I know of. Why WOULDN'T you start this kid? I mean, ****ing seriously - what's with Clode and Talbot? Is he seeing something we're not?

Randell ten times out of ten. It's not even an argument to me.
 
My gut feeling is that Randell lost a tiny bit of Clode's trust with a couple of the penalties against Nashville. Hopefully he wins it back soon.
 
sutekii said:
My gut feeling is that Randell lost a tiny bit of Clode's trust with a couple of the penalties against Nashville. Hopefully he wins it back soon.
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Game before tonite Talbot took quite a few faceoffs I was informed by another poster.With no Kempainnen this is what Julien wants.Another guy he can trust in dot.
 
Every time I see Talbot on the ice I get a bad feeling and realize that the 4th line is about to have a tough night. He's slow, an offensive black hole and does nothing to provide energy. Randell needs to become a regular.
 
shackattack said:
Game before tonite Talbot took quite a few faceoffs I was informed by another poster.With no Kempainnen this is what Julien wants.Another guy he can trust in dot.
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Winner winner chicken dinner. Faceoffs and PK are why Talbot is in over Randell.

I thought Max played well last night.
 
Odie said:
Talbot is a non-factor in the NHL. He has 1 shot on goal in his last 6 games. Jay Pandolfo was more effective as a Bruin...
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It's hard enough to win in the NHL with one bad fourth line never mind two. Talbot playing at this point in time is on both the coach and GM.

Imagine paying $100 for a ticket and when you sit down you see MAX TALBOT as your starting center.
 
Alicat said:
Winner winner chicken dinner. Faceoffs and PK are why Talbot is in over Randell.

I thought Max played well last night.
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Yup.

When Kemp is back, Talbot goes back to Prov; unless Ferraro can develop his FO skills immediately, Talbot will be centering that 4th line.

For the record, I think Ferraro can do it but it won't be an overnight switch flip.

Zac-Ferraro-Randell works if all are motivated and playing with energy; underrated offensively, too.

two cents.
 
flannelman said:
Yup.

When Kemp is back, Talbot goes back to Prov; unless Ferraro can develop his FO skills immediately, Talbot will be centering that 4th line.

For the record, I think Ferraro can do it but it won't be an overnight switch flip.

Zac-Ferraro-Randell works if all are motivated and playing with energy; underrated offensively, too.

two cents.
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100% Agree
 
shackattack said:
Game before tonite Talbot took quite a few faceoffs I was informed by another poster.With no Kempainnen this is what Julien wants.Another guy he can trust in dot.
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:nod:

4ORRBRUIN said:
It's hard enough to win in the NHL with one bad fourth line never mind two. Talbot playing at this point in time is on both the coach and GM.

Imagine paying $100 for a ticket and when you sit down you see MAX TALBOT as your starting center.
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Let's not be too brutal :laugh: It's not like Talbot is a complete non-hockey player - he's a dude that has delivered in a Stanley Cup final. Unfortunately his legs have just gone at a fairly young age.
 
Alicat said:
Winner winner chicken dinner. Faceoffs and PK are why Talbot is in over Randell.

I thought Max played well last night.
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flannelman said:
Yup.

When Kemp is back, Talbot goes back to Prov; unless Ferraro can develop his FO skills immediately, Talbot will be centering that 4th line.

For the record, I think Ferraro can do it but it won't be an overnight switch flip.

Zac-Ferraro-Randell works if all are motivated and playing with energy; underrated offensively, too.

two cents.
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I'm with you guys.
 
My guess is Shawn Thornton might have had to drop them with Randell after his shoulder hit to Haye's chin, but with Maxy in the lineup, no chance of that happening.

I'd like them to go with the young guy, who has a chance to be part of the future, not the guy who isn't good enough to be here on a nightly basis.
 
flannelman said:
Yup.

When Kemp is back, Talbot goes back to Prov; unless Ferraro can develop his FO skills immediately, Talbot will be centering that 4th line.

For the record, I think Ferraro can do it but it won't be an overnight switch flip.

Zac-Ferraro-Randell works if all are motivated and playing with energy; underrated offensively, too.

two cents.
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This^^ 100%. Spooner sucks at the dot, and Claude loves defensive zone starts with two capable face-off men. It's a formula that goes back to the 2011 run and it has worked so well, other coaches started copying it. That and the PK duties mean that while Kemp is out, Talbot stays. Randell will be back when there is a viable faceoff/PK alternative, be it Ferraro or Kemp. It's not like Talbot to Providence has never been done before.
 
I would rather have Torey Krug take faceoffs than have a pit of fossilized nothingness in there over a young player who has more than earned it.

I think having Spooner taking an extra faceoff or two a game has less of an impact on the team than missing Kemp and playing Talbot over Randell. Especially if you consider we still have Bergeron and Krejci for the big draws. The team plays a completely different, more energized game with Randell on the 4th line. It also lets Rinaldo run around a little more and do what he is good at- punishing defenseman.
 
I don't mind Talbot from time to time. He's a career 46% faceoff guy. Still working with very small sample sizes for this season. Ferraro has 39 draws taken in his NHL career.

Penalty killing is such an overrated ability. Not saying anyone can do it, but I think guys like Beleskey and Vatrano would effective when down a man. We've seen Spooner and Rinaldo not look out of place. I often wondered about Hayes too with his massive reach and relatively quick feet. Randell was on the PK in Providence. Reilly Smith is averaging about 2 minutes short handed time on ice for decent Florida club. Something that he was never even considered for here.

I would roll with Rinaldo-Ferrero-Randell.
 
I said it last year when Talbot was acquired it was a mistake to even give Claude access to use a player like this.

So far I stand by my initial assessment of the deal.

Talbot's contribution thus far to the Bruins is atrocious.

28 games, ZERO goals, and 3 assists. At least last year he was consistently physical but he can't even skate well enough now to be a physical presence. He's a total liability and has no business in the NHL anymore, period, end of story. He totally neutralizes his own line offensively.

I know Claude had to send a message to Randell after the penalties against Nashville but lesson learned get him back in there ASAP.

What Claude sees in Talbot that the rest of the hockey world doesn't is beyond me.
 
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