Am I going to have to come back and multi-quote these again in a couple years when Myers is unanimously accepted as being as bad as Gudbranson?
I compared Gudbranson to being a right handed Sbisa when we first acquired him and I was called out with almost these exact same posts. I referred to Gudbranson as a bottom pair defenseman, and you could probably copy and paste some of these words from some of these very same posters.
I don't like using analytics with such small sample sizes, but comparing Gudbranson to Myers this year in terms of WAR, Gudbranson has been a replacement level player with a 0.1 WAR, while Myers has been sub-replacement level with a -0.9 WAR. Gudbranson has a 0.6 Goals Above Replacement, while Myers is at -5.3 Goals Above Replacement. In fact, Myers has the worst WAR and GAR in the league.
In terms of point production, okay, Gudbranson trails Myers by 3 points, I'll give you that. Is it really material though when we're talking about 1 point vs. 4?
To suggest Myers has even been a fringe second pairing guy this season is just flat out wrong.
But okay, you don't like the comparison to Gudbranson. Fine. How about we go with a right handed, taller version of Ben Hutton? Seems quite comparable based on the limited sample this season.
My assessment isn't extreme, nor does it have anything to do with Benning. Tyler Myers simply isn't very good, and hasn't been good at all this year.
That 8x8 rumour on Tyson Barrie is absolutely terrifying. Jesus Christ.
That recent tidbit about how the Canucks might be intentionally leaking higher numbers (7 year 49MM for Myers) so that they look better when it's less than that is also extremely funny if true. They would be that insecure about their ability to sign players to good contracts.
It's less funny (and more just straight up sad) that it actually works. Just look at the number of people who claimed Myers was signed to a bargain lol.
We joked about the team doing that this summer, but I don't think they're really self-aware enough to do it for real. Put another way, if they are aware it's a dumb contract, why are they doing it?I understand this. Why is James making this statement as if it is a matter of fact?
James has built up a following as a radio scribe. There's no motivation for him to suggest that the Canucks have intentionally leaking overstated contract amounts before signing players to lower numbers.
Just checking in to see how some of our ex-Jets are doing. First page read was very promising but the subsequent pages have turned really negative on him.
1 point in his past 17 games? YIKES!
He started very well in his first 10 games but his pairing with Edler has crashed and burned in his last dozen (1 point in his last 17, -10 in his last 12 games). And his skating has fallen off noticeably.
Were quick starts any sort of pattern in Winnipeg for him?
I suggested since Edler-Myers pairing has been **** this month , why not put our second most mobile D Tyler Myers with Hughes, who is our most mobile D.
Then Travis Green went on and paired Myers with our least mobile D in Benn.
Good good coaching
It's too bad Travis disagrees and has been steadily giving Benn more and more ice time.The other way to look at Myers play last night is, everyone who plays with Benn looks like ass. Stecher, and now Benn.
Yeah. I've felt since the off-season that the optimal lineup for the Canucks involved Hughes and Myers on an offensively-oriented pairing.
No, not that I recall.
He’s a real gamer come playoff time but not so much in the regular season. Class guy but very sorry you took on that contract.
Hopefully he doesn't sink that far.A taller version of Ben Hutton is a completely different level of player from Erik Gudbranson, and wouldn't be inaccurate.
Gudbranson is complete garbage.
Myers is a #4-5 guy being played in a top-pairing shutdown role which is going to sink his analytics. If he was playing in Jamie Benn's role, his numbers would look completely different.
And if you're asking if Myers will be Gudbranson-level by year 4-5 deal, absolutely. It would probably be surprising if he wasn't.
I remember the calls that Ferland was going to get like $6MM in free agency too lol.
We joked about the team doing that this summer, but I don't think they're really self-aware enough to do it for real. Put another way, if they are aware it's a dumb contract, why are they doing it?
But make no mistake, like @vancityluongo says, the effect does seem to work. Twitter reaction after the signing did seem somewhat relieved and more positive as a result, and I remarked this at the time:
You're leaving out two pretty important details:
1. There's no evidence this actually happened and as far as I know no reputable journalist has even suggested it, and
2. Posters on this forum such as MS insisted he was getting 7x7, dismissed any argument to the contrary, and put this forth as their own supposition rather than citing rumours.
LMAO what?
Renaud Lavoie said the Myers contract would be north of $7M: Renaud Lavoie: Tyler Myers contract could be north of $7-million - Sportsnet.ca
Pierre Lebrun said"he’s worth around $6.5-million to $7-million a season on a six- to seven-year deal": LeBrun Notebook: After some time to reflect, Lightning GM...
Did you listen to the Renaud clip? He says I think the deal well be 7 years between 6 and 8 million for both Myers and Gardiner. It's his opinion and he was off base with what both players got, especially Gardiner.
That's a nice piece of editing on the LeBrun quote. The full sentence was " On Myers, I think the market will dictate he's worth around $6.5-million to $7-million a season on a six- to seven-year deal"
Neither link suggest this was a figure floated by the Canucks. It was all speculation on the part of the fans and media.
A taller version of Ben Hutton is a completely different level of player from Erik Gudbranson, and wouldn't be inaccurate.
Gudbranson is complete garbage.
Myers is a #4-5 guy being played in a top-pairing shutdown role which is going to sink his analytics. If he was playing in Jamie Benn's role, his numbers would look completely different.
And if you're asking if Myers will be Gudbranson-level by year 4-5 deal, absolutely. It would probably be surprising if he wasn't.
All journalists in all markets speculate about potential free agent contracts and often get them wrong and overvalue them. Journalists in Winnipeg were suggesting Myers would get a huge offer months before free agency even began. Are you suggesting that in all of these cases it's likely the teams involved created these beliefs by floating false rumours, even when there's no evidence this happened? If not, what do you believe distinguishes this situation from the rest?... And on what do you think they base their opinions...?