Player Discussion Tyler Myers thread

[y2kcanucks]

He's 6'8"...

Of course he's not going to be as bad as this current stretch suggests, but that's a heavy contract. Not looking forward to seeing him play it all the way out. Ah well.

He's paid like a number 1, when his play suggests he's a bottom pair defenseman. The only fact that will change there over the years is that his salary will likely slide into number 2 territory after a few years and inflation pushes salaries up, but that still doesn't make the contract any less of an albatross.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

I didn't realize the big fellas was unpopular.

Shows you how far out of the loop I must be

 

[tantalum]

I don't think it's a coincidence that as Edler's play dropped so to did that of Myers. Edler performing at the top of his game does a good job of propping up his partners.

Have to see how things shake out moving forward but if that pair is kept together the icetime needs to be cut back and likely Tanev-Hughes shouldering more of the burden.

 

[Pavel96]

He's paid like a number 1, when his play suggests he's a bottom pair defenseman. The only fact that will change there over the years is that his salary will likely slide into number 2 territory after a few years and inflation pushes salaries up, but that still doesn't make the contract any less of an albatross.

I couldn't expect the contract to look as bad as Loui's by the end of it(or could I?). It will if he is in the AHL too?

But if you were to guess - who will have regressed more by the end of their 6 yr contract: a 34 year old 6'8 dman (that's missed over a season's worth of games to injury), or a 37 year old forward (who's character, fitness, and health were lauded) - I would not have guessed the latter hands down.

 

[Grantham]

I didn't realize the big fellas was unpopular.

Shows you how far out of the loop I must be

He hasn't been as bad as the recent stretch, and he's not as good as the start of the season.

Not sure why this thread is getting such traction lately. He was far from the problem against Dallas. He's overall been much better than I expected. Edler has been absolutely horrendous and worse than Myers lately, so there's that.

 

[Hit the post]

He hasn't been as bad as the recent stretch, and he's not as good as the start of the season.

Not sure why this thread is getting such traction lately. He was far from the problem against Dallas. He's overall been much better than I expected. Edler has been absolutely horrendous and worse than Myers lately, so there's that.

One is still good enough to carry a pairing. The other isn't. Doesn't mean either aren't legit 2nd pairing D.

 

[PG Canuck]

He's paid like a number 1, when his play suggests he's a bottom pair defenseman. The only fact that will change there over the years is that his salary will likely slide into number 2 territory after a few years and inflation pushes salaries up, but that still doesn't make the contract any less of an albatross.

Number 1 defenseman are making 6M? So Schmidt/Lindell/Boychuk/Vlasic/McDonagh/Johnson etc are also number 1 defensemen? I'm by no means a fan of Myers or the contract, but a number 1 defenseman is going to be making upwards of 9M if they sign these days.

 

[Peen]

Number 1 defenseman are making 6M? So Schmidt/Lindell/Boychuk/Vlasic/McDonagh/Johnson etc are also number 1 defensemen? I'm by no means a fan of Myers or the contract, but a number 1 defenseman is going to be making upwards of 9M if they sign these days.

He's in the top thirty of salary for defensemen.

 

[PG Canuck]

He's in the top thirty of salary for defensemen.

There are at least 14 other defensemen in that top 30 who aren't #1 dmen, and not far off Myers paygrade that number gets doubled. I don't believe in the "there are 31 teams so there are 31 #1 dmen". A good portion of teams don't have a true #1 defenseman, which is why they don't have a dman making 8-9M+.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Number 1 defenseman are making 6M? So Schmidt/Lindell/Boychuk/Vlasic/McDonagh/Johnson etc are also number 1 defensemen? I'm by no means a fan of Myers or the contract, but a number 1 defenseman is going to be making upwards of 9M if they sign these days.

For sure. A legit number one D is going be getting paid a whole lot more than that as a young ufa.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

He hasn't been as bad as the recent stretch, and he's not as good as the start of the season.

Not sure why this thread is getting such traction lately. He was far from the problem against Dallas. He's overall been much better than I expected. Edler has been absolutely horrendous and worse than Myers lately, so there's that.

I know. We have some truly unhelpful players making good money on the roster as it is. Myers isn't really in that picture.

 

[MS]

There are at least 14 other defensemen in that top 30 who aren't #1 dmen, and not far off Myers paygrade that number gets doubled. I don't believe in the "there are 31 teams so there are 31 #1 dmen". A good portion of teams don't have a true #1 defenseman, which is why they don't have a dman making 8-9M+.

Yeah, Myers' contract sucks but the 'paid like a #1!' thing is a flawed argument. Yes, he's in the top-30 NHL defenders in salary but it's impossible for some guys like Heiskanen to make more than $1 million and any actual #1 hitting UFA (Pietrangelo next summer, for ie) will get far more than $6 million on the open market.

He's being paid like a #2 defender relative to his age and the context of his contract, which is bad enough.

 

[PG Canuck]

Yeah, Myers' contract sucks but the 'paid like a #1!' thing is a flawed argument. Yes, he's in the top-30 NHL defenders in salary but it's impossible for some guys like Heiskanen to make more than $1 million and any actual #1 hitting UFA (Pietrangelo next summer, for ie) will get far more than $6 million on the open market.

He's being paid like a #2 defender relative to his age and the context of his contract, which is bad enough.

Yeah I'm not defending the player or contract by any means, but I think it's such an extreme hyperbole to think he's making 1D money. #1 defensemen aren't making 6M - I think that is absurd.

A good #2/3 defenseman is making what Myers is, I think that's fair. Now whether Myers is a 2/3 defenseman is the real question and I think we can all agree he's not.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He hasn't been as bad as the recent stretch, and he's not as good as the start of the season.

Not sure why this thread is getting such traction lately. He was far from the problem against Dallas. He's overall been much better than I expected. Edler has been absolutely horrendous and worse than Myers lately, so there's that.

Everybody on the team has been substandard lately..Edler,Horvat,Marky etc....of course Myers is the one highlighted by the negs, mostly so they can justify the awful takes they had on him at the the time of the signing.

 

[Regal]

He's paid like a number 1, when his play suggests he's a bottom pair defenseman. The only fact that will change there over the years is that his salary will likely slide into number 2 territory after a few years and inflation pushes salaries up, but that still doesn't make the contract any less of an albatross.

As others have said, saying he's paid like a number 1 is a stretch that isn't needed to emphasize your point

 

[y2kcanucks]

There are at least 14 other defensemen in that top 30 who aren't #1 dmen, and not far off Myers paygrade that number gets doubled. I don't believe in the "there are 31 teams so there are 31 #1 dmen". A good portion of teams don't have a true #1 defenseman, which is why they don't have a dman making 8-9M+.

If you can explain why viewing the top 31 salaries as number 1 level salaries doesn’t make sense then I’ll change my opinion.

How do you define a number 1 defenseman then? I think you might be confusing number 1 defensemen with franchise defensemen. One is a quantitative way of analysis, the other is qualitative.

 

[y2kcanucks]

As others have said, saying he's paid like a number 1 is a stretch that isn't needed to emphasize your point

Except it’s not a stretch when he’s paid among the top 31 highest paid defensemen in the league.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Yeah, Myers' contract sucks but the 'paid like a #1!' thing is a flawed argument. Yes, he's in the top-30 NHL defenders in salary but it's impossible for some guys like Heiskanen to make more than $1 million and any actual #1 hitting UFA (Pietrangelo next summer, for ie) will get far more than $6 million on the open market.

He's being paid like a #2 defender relative to his age and the context of his contract, which is bad enough.

As of this season he’s paid like a number 1. I stated that this will likely fall to number 2 once others get bigger contracts, but that doesn’t make the statement inaccurate for this season at least.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

As of this season he’s paid like a number 1. I stated that this will likely fall to number 2 once others get bigger contracts, but that doesn’t make the statement inaccurate for this season at least.

If the highest paid defenceman on every team is their '#1' D then by that definition I guess Myers would be ours. But there'd be some piss poor #1 defenceman kicking about then I'd say.

 

[Regal]

Except it’s not a stretch when he’s paid among the top 31 highest paid defensemen in the league.

That's irrelevant. Since not all contracts are signed under the same year, inflation doesn't hit all of them at once. And the difference at the top end is far greater than those below him There's 56 defensemen making 5 million or over (so within a million of him), and Doughty and Karlsson make 5 million MORE. This becomes obvious when you realize that everyone would be ecstatic if there was a legit #1 defenseman on this team making 6 million. But its clear in most contract threads that your views on contracts tends to be like 5 years behind.

 

[Regal]

As of this season he’s paid like a number 1. I stated that this will likely fall to number 2 once others get bigger contracts, but that doesn’t make the statement inaccurate for this season at least.

That's not how the market works. This kind of thinking means that pretty much every new contract signed would be an overpayment.

 

[y2kcanucks]

If the highest paid defenceman on every team is their '#1' D then by that definition I guess Myers would be ours. But there'd be some piss poor #1 defenceman kicking about then I'd say.

It assumes an efficient market, which it’s not, but I’m not claiming that anyone paid in the top 31 are number 1 defensemen. Just that they are paid to be number 1 defensemen.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

It assumes an efficient market, which it’s not, but I’m not claiming that anyone paid in the top 31 are number 1 defensemen. Just that they are paid to be number 1 defensemen.

Okay I get you. I'd say Tanev, Edler and Myers are all number threes at best though I would also allow that Myers has surpassed my own expectations thus far. How about you?

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

I really have to learn to stop trying to multitask here lol. Not doing myself ant favors...

 

[a Fool]

Edler and Myers are getting absolutely ventilated over the last 4 games giving up 49 scoring chances at 5v5. I think it's time to bring back Edler-Tanev shutdown pair, and maybe try out Hughes-Myers in offensive deployment.