gravey9
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What the f are the Sens gonna do with all those Mottawa posters?
Confirmed with Link: TYLER MOTTE TO NYR
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Sadly he was injured exactly at the time they needed him. Would have been a perfect time to see if he has what it takes to play at the NHL level.
hackeyman
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348 faceoffs year to date suggest he has played a fair bit at center.
Crease
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For all his speed, Gauthier has the same
points as Motte. But he doesn’t block shots, hit, or penalty kill. Motte is a clear upgrade.
points as Motte. But he doesn’t block shots, hit, or penalty kill. Motte is a clear upgrade.
Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Gauthier is one of the most frequent hitters in the league.
He just doesn't Trouba people which is harder for a forward and I would argue not that useful because you're almost certainly out of position.
And FWIW Motte isn't "mean" or really that conventionally/noticably physical either.
I think they're both good forecheckers and speed matters way more than hitting in that regard.
I'm just glad we didn't trade Gauthier for a guy who is characterized as mean and noticably physical. That's never been a good sign as long as I've been watching.
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The Crypto Guy
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Gauthier throws 12 hits every 60 min of ice time, somewhere around 50th in the league with players who played more than 30 games.
Matte throws 10 hits every 60 min of ice time.
Not really much of a difference.
Machinehead
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Motte is a big upgrade insofar as he'll be used on the penalty kill.
Stealing this from @Raspewtin but 4th liners do so little of essence over large samples that they almost have to PK to get value even out of what little they make.
Fewer opportunities for Kreider and Zibanejad to get hurt is good.
If I were building a 4th line, I would forget hitting (which is a boondoggle) and 5v5 defense (which 95% of them suck at - they're 4th liners!) and entirely prioritize speed and penalty killing. Everyone is Carl Hagelin.
The best 4th line in the world is one where they're your top three penalty killers.
Stealing this from @Raspewtin but 4th liners do so little of essence over large samples that they almost have to PK to get value even out of what little they make.
Fewer opportunities for Kreider and Zibanejad to get hurt is good.
If I were building a 4th line, I would forget hitting (which is a boondoggle) and 5v5 defense (which 95% of them suck at - they're 4th liners!) and entirely prioritize speed and penalty killing. Everyone is Carl Hagelin.
The best 4th line in the world is one where they're your top three penalty killers.
LOFIN
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Wouldn't it be nice, if we could just trade away those players who are not necessary for the roster? After all, we are New York, so none of the players should have any clauses in their contracts. We are the NYR, so we should be able to say to those players it's a privilege to be here, so we should be able to just swap those bottom roster players because no club would be stupid enough to give them clauses in their contracts...
"looks up Goodrow @CapFriendly"
...oh
Machinehead
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Top 50 is the second best on most teams. That's up there.
Barkov, Hischier, Meier, and Giroux are around 50th in scoring.
That there's not much of a difference is kind of my point.
Priorae
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I’m not convinced 91 will be better than Copp. Copp was pretty good
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Tarasenko is getting seriously underrated on here.
He shot well below career-average for the Blues this year. When he's converting a normal rate, he's 75 points out of the box.
Copp's career high is 53 and he was headed for much lower until he came here and shot TWENTY FIVE ass percent for the Rangers. He's a 40-point player.
Crease
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Machinehead
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He lives on both sides of the street these days.
Not to mention where the busses don't run.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Yup. I liked Copp and he brought the ability to move the puck through the NZ with possession reliably which is what that line needed but a comfortable Tarasenko will be a more impactful player. The type who can make things happen entirely on his own, which all due respect to Copp but he’s a support player.
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They should really try this until the trade deadline just to see what they have. If it doesn’t work, at least you know what you need. Drury should waive Jake tomorrow to force Gallant’s hand and save a little more space for the deadline. If Gallant goes 7d instead of Kravtsov then you really know where you are, but ideally kravtsov is given a shot for a couple weeks. May be sacrilege but would break up the kids in the short term and try Kravtsov in place of Kakko there. Nice spot for him and Kakko did well on the top line earlier this year
Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Tank
Laf-Chytil-Kravtsov
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey
Roll 4 lines and see how it goes. We’re pretty much locked into the 2 or 3 spot in the metro so might as well try things while we can
Breaded Fox
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Gauthier was really good at giving the opponents goalie's chest protector premature wear tho...
TopShelfSnipes
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Generally like the idea.
However, I'd go:
10-16-91
13-72-24
20-93-74
64-21-26
Don't want to break up the kid line and with Kreider and Zibanejad's best 5v5 chances off the rush of late (and Kreider clearly playing hurt) would rather not put Kakko with them and let VK bring his better speed to that line. Kid line stays the best forechecking line and keep the chemistry rolling. Just my 2c tho.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
You know I said earlier that we still need a fourth line center but I forgot we can just call up the guy who was a great fourth line center for us and was waived for no apparent reason
Synergy27
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Really not a fan of trading Gauthier. I know he doesn’t score, but his speed and ability to drive the net brought a ton of value in my opinion.
I like Motte but I’d prefer to see him playing with Gauthier.
I like Motte but I’d prefer to see him playing with Gauthier.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Agree with this. I know people say jewels isn't exactly a fourth liner, but I think he was fine in that role this season.
I would have rather sent them a fourth round pick
Crease
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Brodzinski should play every game leading up to the deadline.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
I think the biggest weakness among NHL coaches is who they play on the fourth line.
I mean we've been through multiple coaches at this point and we all seem to agree that they always get the fourth line wrong one way or another
I mean we've been through multiple coaches at this point and we all seem to agree that they always get the fourth line wrong one way or another
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Yes that’s why the first post I made which you responded to said, quote, “I think last year’s deadline was better.”
