Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Que]

This kid is my favourite prospect in the organization. Old school hockey player who has the skating and instincts to compete in the new age.

Edit:

Also, @theanalytic, as you are such a stats guy - are you a believer in the rover? And if so, could Klevin be a candidate to anchor a rover defensive pairing? If he is, which I believe, I feel that has to inflate his value exorbitantly.

 

[Tuna99]

Why is there a notation that we “traded up for Klevin” in the title ... feels like a Shot at Dorion.
We have tonnes of prospects that we acquired through trades ....

he drafted up for Gabriel Gagne and Soogard so he doesn’t have the best track record of targeting big, raw players in round 2. Maybe fans think he made another mistake?

 

[Sweatred]

he drafted up for Gabriel Gagne and Soogard so he doesn’t have the best track record of targeting big, raw players in round 2. Maybe fans think he made another mistake?

Ya ... I think that’s that passive tone behind the comment.... is Soogard a bust?

Can we add a “we traded Lehner for this guy” to Colin White’s thread title ?

 

[Micklebot]

Ya ... I think that’s that passive tone behind the comment.... is Soogard a bust?

Can we add a “we traded Lehner for this guy” to Colin White’s thread title ?

The thread was started in the middle of the draft, nobody was expecting the sens to have a pick until 59 or something, which at the speed things felt like it was an hour away. The poster who created the thread doesn't even appear to be a sens fan, just a fan posting who was drafted in various team boards.

I think you a reading too much into the title. There is no shot at Dorion here.

 

[Sweatred]

The thread was started in the middle of the draft, nobody was expecting the sens to have a pick until 59 or something, which at the speed things felt like it was an hour away. The poster who created the thread doesn't even appear to be a sens fan, just a fan posting who was drafted in various team boards.

I think you a reading too much into the title. There is no shot at Dorion here.

Im not sure you can “declare” that. Either way it stands as an outlier and doesn’t fit our theme for those type of posts.

 

[GCK]

he drafted up for Gabriel Gagne and Soogard so he doesn’t have the best track record of targeting big, raw players in round 2. Maybe fans think he made another mistake?

Why did you list Sogaard with Gagne. Gagne is a bust.

 

[Tuna99]

Ya ... I think that’s that passive tone behind the comment.... is Soogard a bust?

Can we add a “we traded Lehner for this guy” to Colin White’s thread title ?

Don’t think he traded up for Lehner, his trading up record isn’t great (Logan Brown, Soggard, Gagne) so I can see the apprehensive from fans thinking he falls in love with big players who don’t pan out

 

[Micklebot]

Im not sure you can “declare” that. Either way it stands as an outlier and doesn’t fit our theme for those type of posts.

The guy who created the thread has zero history of criticizing Dorion, or even posting in Sens related threads. he posts more about the WWE than he does about the sens. There is no evidence whatsoever of your claim that this was a shot at Dorion, why are you trying to link a thread title into some sort of anti dorion narrative when the guy who started the thread has no link to the HF Sens forum? There's nothing to this, its just a title that describes the events on the draft.

 

[Sweatred]

The guy who created the thread has zero history of criticizing Dorion, or even posting in Sens related threads. he posts more about the WWE than he does about the sens. There is no evidence whatsoever of your claim that this was a shot at Dorion, why are you trying to link a thread title into some sort of anti dorion narrative when the guy who started the thread has no link to the HF Sens forum? There's nothing to this, its just a title that describes the events on the draft.

I give you credit for digging up that history and you are right about it’s intent. However, as it is written it has an implied meaning.

 

[cudi]

I give you credit for digging up that history and you are right about it’s intent. However, as it is written it has an implied meaning.

Sometimes things just arent that deep. Digging for something that isnt there.

 

[cj19]

In hindsight I wish we swung for the fences(high risk/ reward) with one of our 2nd rd picks and drafted Poirier. Draft him and develop him as a forward.

 

[BondraTime]

In hindsight I wish we swung for the fences(high risk/ reward) with one of our 2nd rd picks and drafted Poirier. Draft him and develop him as a forward.

Would be an incredibly bad idea

 

[bashbros32]

I give you credit for digging up that history and you are right about it’s intent. However, as it is written it has an implied meaning.

Yep, that implied meaning being that the Ottawa Senators hockey club moved assets in order to acquire a draft pick previously believed to be higher than there at that time percieved "next pick"

Otherwise described as "sens traded up"

 

[cj19]

Would be an incredibly bad idea

Do you think Poirier is not talented enough to be a winger?

 

[BondraTime]

Do you think Poirier is not talented enough to be a winger?

I think he's a D, a very offensively gifted, very flawed D

Drafting an offensive D and switching him to forward doesn't happen, because it's not as easy as it's made out to be

If you're drafting Porier, you are drafting him as a D and hoping that he is able to learn the game outside the offensive end, which is going to prove difficult

 

[cj19]

I think he's a D, a very offensively gifted, very flawed D

Drafting an offensive D and switching him to forward doesn't happen, because it's not as easy as it's made out to be

If you're drafting Porier, you are drafting him as a D and hoping that he is able to learn the game outside the offensive end, which is going to prove difficult

Thanks for your reply.. Wendel Clark and Brent Burns are two players who changed positions at the pro level successfully... but understand it would still be a risky pick... cheers!

 

[Sweatred]

Yep, that implied meaning being that the Ottawa Senators hockey club moved assets in order to acquire a draft pick previously believed to be higher than there at that time percieved "next pick"

Otherwise described as "sens traded up"

That’s the simple and obvious implication that a 4 year old would understand. Thanks for sharing your insight.

 

[Micklebot]

I give you credit for digging up that history and you are right about it’s intent. However, as it is written it has an implied meaning.

No, there was no implied meaning, you infered something that wasn't there. Had we traded up for say Perfetti and taken him 10th, or Quinn at 8th up would you see it as a dig against Dorion to see "sens traded up" in the title?

Nothing about noting a team moved up to make a selection in a thread title implies a negative or positive sentiment.

 

[bashbros32]

No, there was no implied meaning, you infered something that wasn't there. Had we traded up for say Perfetti and taken him 10th, or Quinn at 8th up would you see it as a dig against Dorion to see "sens traded up" in the title?

Nothing about noting a team moved up to make a selection in a thread title implies a negative or positive sentiment.

Literally just stating a fact...

 

[bashbros32]

That’s the simple and obvious implication that a 4 year old would understand. Thanks for sharing your insight.

Stop looking for things to be triggered about that aren't there... theres my insight

 

[Sweatred]

No, there was no implied meaning, you infered something that wasn't there. Had we traded up for say Perfetti and taken him 10th, or Quinn at 8th up would you see it as a dig against Dorion to see "sens traded up" in the title?

Nothing about noting a team moved up to make a selection in a thread title implies a negative or positive sentiment.

If I write a word or symbol on a wall not understanding or intending it’s meaning to others - doesn’t erase or void the meaning to others ...

You are not the authority on what has implied meaning. There’s already at least one other post referencing the passive meaning . If you want to say it has no meaning to you ... cool. I doubt it does.

PS - the people who constantly pump the anti Dorion vibe around here aren’t the ones who validate implied insult toward PD.

 

[Sweatred]

Stop looking for things to be triggered about that aren't there... theres my insight

You already shared your insight - enjoy your day.

 

[jhutter]

I think the "Sens traded up" implies that it's a selection that should perhaps be analyzed a little closer, or possibly a reminder that the team actively pursued the player. I don't see any implied ant-Dorion cpnnotations, but that's just me.

I also never understood the hate for the Kleven pick. He was ranked higher than 44th in some very reputable lists.

 

[BondraTime]

I think the "Sens traded up" implies that it's a selection that should perhaps be analyzed a little closer, or possibly a reminder that the team actively pursued the player. I don't see any implied ant-Dorion cpnnotations, but that's just me.

I also never understood the hate for the Kleven pick. He was ranked higher than 44th in some very reputable lists.

Offensive stat lines and stick handling are very valued commodities on HF

 

[Micklebot]

If I write a word or symbol on a wall not understanding or intending it’s meaning to others - doesn’t erase or void the meaning to others ...

You are not the authority on what has implied meaning. There’s already at least one other post referencing the passive meaning . If you want to say it has no meaning to you ... cool. I doubt it does.

PS - the people who constantly pump the anti Dorion vibe around here aren’t the ones who validate implied insult toward PD.

Implied is an outword projection. It can only be done by the person writing on the wall to use you analogy. You can be aware of what is being implied but in this case there is no evidence anything was implied.

Inference is what you can do, based on your knowledge of the person making a statement, and other evidence and facts you can deduce or infer a hidden or implied meaning.

I can't be the authority on what others infer from the inclusion of "sens traded up" in the title, but i can certainly point out how flawed that inference appears to be.