Tyler Biggs

[Trapper]

This guy is a bust theres no denying it. I don't even think he'll be an NHLer. ****in terrible we gave up GIBSON, a future #1 goalie for this plug.

How do you figure we gave up Gibson for Biggs?
We drafted Biggs at 22 and still held the 25th overall pick. We then drafted Percy. I see no Gibson or Jenner drafted 25th by the Leafs.
Let Biggs develop. Every line needs that 3rd guy who performs a certain function. On a future line of say Kadri/Leivo, or Holland/whoever, Biggs can be the guy like a Komarov or Kulemin etc. he is only 20 and look at some of the other players drafted in the 1st round that same year: Siemens,Armia,McNeill,Rackell,Danault etc. where are they?

 

[GenericFan2*]

Can't wait to bring up this thread in a couple years.

You plugs are clueless about this kid.

 

[LeafsNation75]

This guy is a bust theres no denying it. I don't even think he'll be an NHLer. ****in terrible we gave up GIBSON, a future #1 goalie for this plug.

I personally don't like when people say comments like that for this reason. When a team makes a trade like that to move up in the draft you have no idea what player the other team wants to select with the extra pick or picks you give them.

 

[Leafidelity]

Biggs had a real nice game last night, looked faster and used his body a lot. The Leivo goal wouldn't have happened if Biggs wasn't banging along the boards. Knocking Teravainen into the boards to end the game was a nice touch for a pretty impressive night from him.

Only a fool trips on what's behind them

 

[ULF_55]

I personally don't like when people say comments like that for this reason. When a team makes a trade like that to move up in the draft you have no idea what player the other team wants to select with the extra pick or picks you give them.

It's easy to look at players picked after, especially players in the neighbourhood of that pick.

Biggs does have a lot of catching up to do with a few players selected after him, just a fact.

No doubt in my mind the Leafs would like a do over like many other teams to pick up Saad, Jenner, or even Jurco, Nietro or Kucherov. Leafs probably made 4 other picks that same draft who are looking better than their 1st. pick.

Doesn't make the Leafs a bad organization but it doesn't mean they don't see the writing on the wall either.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It's easy to look at players picked after, especially players in the neighbourhood of that pick.

Biggs does have a lot of catching up to do with a few players selected after him, just a fact.

No doubt in my mind the Leafs would like a do over like many other teams to pick up Saad, Jenner, or even Jurco, Nietro or Kucherov. Leafs probably made 4 other picks that same draft who are looking better than their 1st. pick.

Doesn't make the Leafs a bad organization but it doesn't mean they don't see the writing on the wall either.

Shouldn't that fall on the scouting staff and not people like Burke who traded up to get Biggs and now Nonis? Yes they might like a specific player if they might be available and why they would trade up just in case to get them like they did with Biggs. Although like you said it's easy to say other wise after the fact and etc. So I wonder if Shanahan might make changes to their scouting department? After all he has changed personnel in every other department.

 

[Faltorvo]

It's easy to look at players picked after, especially players in the neighbourhood of that pick.

Biggs does have a lot of catching up to do with a few players selected after him, just a fact.

No doubt in my mind the Leafs would like a do over like many other teams to pick up Saad, Jenner, or even Jurco, Nietro or Kucherov. Leafs probably made 4 other picks that same draft who are looking better than their 1st. pick.

Doesn't make the Leafs a bad organization but it doesn't mean they don't see the writing on the wall either.

Actually 2 2nds we traded away in that draft seem to be cursed.

One ended up being Gibson and the other Saad.

One can fairly argue, we may not have drafted them but what one cannot argue is that we could not have drafted them both had we held our picks.

Now considering that I have not heard either pick being OFF the board, I assume it means they went roughly where they was sloted/ranked.

Does that increase the likelihood that we would have picked them? I'd have to say in a way it does, unlike say speculating on a 4th rounder or the likes that surprised.

 

[Faltorvo]

Can't wait to bring up this thread in a couple years.

You plugs are clueless about this kid.

Well I hope your right

Because of right now, he has done nothing to help me understand why we traded those extra picks to move up and get him.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Shouldn't that fall on the scouting staff and not people like Burke who traded up to get Biggs and now Nonis? Yes they might like a specific player if they might be available and why they would trade up just in case to get them like they did with Biggs. Although like you said it's easy to say other wise after the fact and etc. So I wonder if Shanahan might make changes to their scouting department? After all he has changed personnel in every other department.

Toronto has been able to produce a lot of NHL talent considering how few picks we have had over the last years. The only thing really missing has been the superstars, but they are in general very high picks or players that develop much better than expected. Now of course some teams pick players well and get a homerun fully expecting it to be a steal, like Dallas did with Benn, but most of the time this is just a matter of luck. All teams take chances with picks, but only some have the luck necessary to see that turn into the best possible result.

 

[Faltorvo]

Shouldn't that fall on the scouting staff and not people like Burke who traded up to get Biggs and now Nonis? Yes they might like a specific player if they might be available and why they would trade up just in case to get them like they did with Biggs. Although like you said it's easy to say other wise after the fact and etc. So I wonder if Shanahan might make changes to their scouting department? After all he has changed personnel in every other department.

First it falls on the GM regardless, he is the final arbiter and the last word when it comes to things like that. No grey area here, he made the final call to go after the trade and finalised it's value.

Now comes the scouts and the grey area, on that we will never know.

Did they push hard for Biggs or push hard against and get over ruled by their boss?

Did they just turn into "yes men" if/when BB was all hot for him?

 

[Faltorvo]

Toronto has been able to produce a lot of NHL talent considering how few picks we have had over the last years. The only thing really missing has been the superstars, but they are in general very high picks or players that develop much better than expected. Now of course some teams pick players well and get a homerun fully expecting it to be a steal, like Dallas did with Benn, but most of the time this is just a matter of luck. All teams take chances with picks, but only some have the luck necessary to see that turn into the best possible result.

UMMMMM,,,, we had our "once in a blue moon" grandslam homerun

Tuukka Rask

 

[Nithoniniel]

UMMMMM,,,, we had our "once in a blue moon" grandslam homerun

Tuukka Rask

Perhaps. Boston deserves part of the cred for him becoming who he is. Who knows if he would have been the same here. But you have a point.

 

[zeke]

they took a gamble on a kid with talent but no track record, and unfortunately it was clear very soon after they drafted him that he was a mistake and a bust.

but there's no reason to cry about it - most late firsts don't amount to much.

he was a wasted pick. too bad. move on.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Actually 2 2nds we traded away in that draft seem to be cursed.

One ended up being Gibson and the other Saad.

One can fairly argue, we may not have drafted them but what one cannot argue is that we could not have drafted them both had we held our picks.

Now considering that I have not heard either pick being OFF the board, I assume it means they went roughly where they was sloted/ranked.

Does that increase the likelihood that we would have picked them? I'd have to say in a way it does, unlike say speculating on a 4th rounder or the likes that surprised.

How much of Saad's early success would you say is because he is playing on a great team like the Blackhawks and would he play the exact same way if the Leafs had selected him if they still had that same selection where he was picked? That's why I don't think about the what if they didn't trade that pick since it's an unknown what player the other team wants to select.

Now when using Tuukka Rask as an example that's one where you can say it was a bad trade, since he was once property of the Leafs. Although I will also say is a lot of his success because of Boston's great defence and playing with someone like Zdeno Chara in front of him and would he be the same player if the Leafs never traded his rights?

 

[ToneBone03]

I actually liked what I saw from Biggs last night. Guy is a freight train on skates - he hits everything that moves. When he hits he punishes, too. Biggs-type players are players that are needed on a successful hockey team. Is he going to score 30 goals? No. Is the opposing team going to be aware that he's on the ice? You bet your ass. He's defensively responsible to boot. Hopefully he'll be a staple on our third line for years.

I actually think a good comparable for Biggs is Chris Neil in a larger frame. Not too shabby, if you ask me. Is it an ideal prokection for a 1st round pick? Probably not...but just remember: the reason we traded up to pick him was because there were rumblings that Detroit were going to take him at 24. Burke targeted him and got him.

Would people be singing a different tune had Detroit taken him?

 

[LeafsNation75]

I actually liked what I saw from Biggs last night. Guy is a freight train on skates - he hits everything that moves. When he hits he punishes, too. Biggs-type players are players that are needed on a successful hockey team. Is he going to score 30 goals? No. Is the opposing team going to be aware that he's on the ice? You bet your ass. He's defensively responsible to boot. Hopefully he'll be a staple on our third line for years.

I actually think a good comparable for Biggs is Chris Neil in a larger frame. Not too shabby, if you ask me. Is it an ideal prokection for a 1st round pick? Probably not...but just remember: the reason we traded up to pick him was because there were rumblings that Detroit were going to take him at 24. Burke targeted him and got him.

Would people be singing a different tune had Detroit taken him?

You could be right that Detroit wanted him because after Biggs was selected they traded their 1st round pick to Ottawa.

 

[Faltorvo]

Perhaps. Boston deserves part of the cred for him becoming who he is. Who knows if he would have been the same here. But you have a point.

You know, I commonly here that as a defence.

but having said that

It would be a pretty damning testament then to our development department with all the "supposed" resources at hand to mess up such a naturally gifted tender.

I personally don't use it, I find it to be a cop out.

 

[Nithoniniel]

You know, I commonly here that as a defence.

but having said that

It would be a pretty damning testament then to our development department with all the "supposed" resources at hand to mess up such a naturally gifted tender.

I personally don't use it, I find it to be a cop out.

And you are most likely right. We screwed that one up.

 

[Faltorvo]

How much of Saad's early success would you say is because he is playing on a great team like the Blackhawks and would he play the exact same way if the Leafs had selected him if they still had that same selection where he was picked? That's why I don't think about the what if they didn't trade that pick since it's an unknown what player the other team wants to select.

Now when using Tuukka Rask as an example that's one where you can say it was a bad trade, since he was once property of the Leafs. Although I will also say is a lot of his success because of Boston's great defence and playing with someone like Zdeno Chara in front of him and would he be the same player if the Leafs never traded his rights?

That's a defensive way to look at the situations.

I am long done trying to do anything in a defensive manner with this organisation, be it right or wrong way on my part.

What I know is this , they had fair and reasonable opportunity to have both in their system and to develop them to their best potential and as of now they do not and I view both as lost quality opportunities.

 

[ULF_55]

Toronto has been able to produce a lot of NHL talent considering how few picks we have had over the last years. The only thing really missing has been the superstars, but they are in general very high picks or players that develop much better than expected. Now of course some teams pick players well and get a homerun fully expecting it to be a steal, like Dallas did with Benn, but most of the time this is just a matter of luck. All teams take chances with picks, but only some have the luck necessary to see that turn into the best possible result.

Perhaps Burke didn't go after BPA with Biggs as he was trying to draft certain types of players.

Like the draft he said he draft only North Americans on purpose, again not going for BPA.

Outsmarting oneself happens.

 

[GenericFan2*]

Biggs is looking really good again tonight.

 

[Faltorvo]

Biggs is looking really good again tonight.

That's tough to swallow seeing how I did not think he played "really good" in the first game.

 

[diceman934]

Biggs is looking really good again tonight.

I did not think he played well at all last night ....Over pursuing hits and slow to react to what was happening on the ice made him look like a fresh face rookie in my eyes.

 

[Leafidelity]

Biggs is looking really good again tonight.

He did. His work on the 5-3 was impressive. Lots of regular pk time too. I think if he plays more to his power moves than his dangles he'll have a nice season. Real strong upper body along the wall.

It's too bad Gauthier left so early, because I'd like to give Broll - Gauthier - Biggs a try.

 

[GenericFan2*]

He did. His work on the 5-3 was impressive. Lots of regular pk time too. I think if he plays more to his power moves than his dangles he'll have a nice season. Real strong upper body along the wall.

It's too bad Gauthier left so early, because I'd like to give Broll - Gauthier - Biggs a try.

Agreed. I don't mind him attempting those moves because he has some underrated hands, but he is far more effective when he drives and uses his frame like you said.

But man, that line would be a huge handful.