Player Discussion Ty Emberson

[McAsuno]

isn't this what you want out of your 3rd pairing though???? I dont get what you getting at here.

Don't mind JTS. He tends to act like a buzzkill lol.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Here is one of my complaints about people who tweet stuff like that. There is no context. Emberson is averaging 14 minutes a game or 3rd line minutes and he is not usually on the ice vs the other teams top 6. For me that needs to be factored into how the numbers need to be looked at

You mean our third pairing D, is being deployed like a third pairing D?

 

[Jumptheshark]

isn't this what you want out of your 3rd pairing though???? I dont get what you getting at here.

He is not playing against their top lines

 

[Jumptheshark]

Don't mind JTS. He tends to act like a buzzkill lol.

context and perspective. As long as we do not ask too much of him it will be okay

 

[McAsuno]

context and perspective. As long as we do not ask too much of him it will be okay

I'm just glad we have a guy who doesn't bleed scoring chances against on the back end. Emberson's been solid.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He is not playing against their top lines

Most 3rd pairings don’t.

Why are you holding it against him.

I understand your need to be a contrarian

 

[BarDownBobo]

hes played well enough lately that we can allow him to get a new number cause 49 is ass

He wore 49 with the USNTDP, Tucson, Hartford and now here so it seems it’s his number of choice.

 

[McDoused]

Most bottom pairing D arent difference makers.

If the bottom pairing D is a difference maker its usually because they suck and lead to losses.

Exactly. All you want from your 3rd pair is to go out there and try not to get caved in. I wasn't a big fan of Emberson early but he's seemed to settle in just go about his business. He checks a lot of boxes:

1. He's at an affordable capt hit
2. Doesn't take a bunch of dumb penalties
3. Doesn't cheat by making risky plays
4. He's hard to play against.
5. His hits
6. Has good defensive metrics

I mean don't get me wrong, I don't see top 4 upside but that's not necessary a bad thing. He's just a hard working, solid player. Nothing wrong with that, you need those kinds of players on our depth charts. He seems like an every day NHLer who can carve out a career for himself.

I'd rather have Emberson at 950k than Desharnais at 2M in the same role and I liked Vinny.

 

[Jarvi]

Gotta say, kinda disappointed in him. I definitely had too high of expectations of this player heading into the season just going off looking at the stats. I thought there was a decent chance at him playing top 4, with almost guaranteed to be a good #6 if not. I think he has been ok in a #6 role, and definitely not top 4 worthy so far. That said, with talks of an extension coming, I am definitely on board to retain him for however long if it comes in cheap. Like under 1.5m ideally. My expectations were probably too high.

Maybe my issue is more with Knoblauch. I have very much disagreed with his lineup decisions lately. I would like to see Emberson stapled to Ekholm for an extended stretch. They have played only 26 minutes together at ES, ridiculous imo. It seems obvious to put the green rookie with our best vet Dman who can anchor a pairing at both ends and who helped Bouch become a premier Dman in this league. It also forces us to get a good long look at Bouchard without as much of a safety blanket which will help us when it comes time to sign that big ticket extension, possibly. Furthermore, I think Ekholm could use a bit of a minutes reduction solely to keep him as fresh as possible for playoffs. It just seems an obvious route to explore more, before we invest significant assets into a trade for the defense.

Kulak/Nurse-Bouch
Ekholm-Emberson
Nurse/Kulak-Stecher

Looking at line combo stats, that makes most sense as Kulak-Stecher have not been good together. Bouch has been good with Kulak and not much of a sample with Nurse, so thats something else that can be explored.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Gotta say, kinda disappointed in him. I definitely had too high of expectations of this player heading into the season just going off looking at the stats. I thought there was a decent chance at him playing top 4, with almost guaranteed to be a good #6 if not. I think he has been ok in a #6 role, and definitely not top 4 worthy so far. That said, with talks of an extension coming, I am definitely on board to retain him for however long if it comes in cheap. Like under 1.5m ideally. My expectations were probably too high.

Maybe my issue is more with Knoblauch. I have very much disagreed with his lineup decisions lately. I would like to see Emberson stapled to Ekholm for an extended stretch. They have played only 26 minutes together at ES, ridiculous imo. It seems obvious to put the green rookie with our best vet Dman who can anchor a pairing at both ends and who helped Bouch become a premier Dman in this league. It also forces us to get a good long look at Bouchard without as much of a safety blanket which will help us when it comes time to sign that big ticket extension, possibly. Furthermore, I think Ekholm could use a bit of a minutes reduction solely to keep him as fresh as possible for playoffs. It just seems an obvious route to explore more, before we invest significant assets into a trade for the defense.

Kulak/Nurse-Bouch
Ekholm-Emberson
Nurse/Kulak-Stecher

Looking at line combo stats, that makes most sense as Kulak-Stecher have not been good together. Bouch has been good with Kulak and not much of a sample with Nurse, so thats something else that can be explored.

Why would SJ trade a legit top 4 D in his early 20's for Ceci and a 3rd? He was relatively unknown and looks the part of a legit NHL D that helps on the PK and plays a hard but simple game. He could still grow into a top 4 role in time, but for now he is a solid piece moving forward and hopefully we sign him on the cheap before he gets even better.

 

[Jarvi]

Why would SJ trade a legit top 4 D in his early 20's for Ceci and a 3rd? He was relatively unknown and looks the part of a legit NHL D that helps on the PK and plays a hard but simple game. He could still grow into a top 4 role in time, but for now he is a solid piece moving forward and hopefully we sign him on the cheap before he gets even better.

He played good minutes in SJ, and the stats say he showed well. Put him on a better team and some development over the summer and thinking there was a shot he could work in the top4, as a clear #4 guy, was not unrealistic. But I'm not even disappointed in that, as I said I thought there was a shot he played top 4 but not a guarantee. Where the disappointment comes is that he isnt exactly great on the bottom pairing either. Like he is ok, but not stellar or anything. Pretty comparable, if not slightly worse than what Vinny showed last season, and he ended up a scratch in the playoffs. Our PK is bottom 10, which I'm not saying is his fault, but it isn't exactly a ringing endorsement that he plays there; especially when the other RHD options are Stecher and Bouchard most nights so he doesn't have a ton of competition for those RHD minutes.

I agree in hoping we sign him cheap as I still think there is some more for Ty to give. But as I said, I think my number is probably lower than what most would agree on. Vinny got 2m and the Canucks already want to turf him, for example.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Gotta say, kinda disappointed in him. I definitely had too high of expectations of this player heading into the season just going off looking at the stats. I thought there was a decent chance at him playing top 4, with almost guaranteed to be a good #6 if not. I think he has been ok in a #6 role, and definitely not top 4 worthy so far. That said, with talks of an extension coming, I am definitely on board to retain him for however long if it comes in cheap. Like under 1.5m ideally. My expectations were probably too high.

Maybe my issue is more with Knoblauch. I have very much disagreed with his lineup decisions lately. I would like to see Emberson stapled to Ekholm for an extended stretch. They have played only 26 minutes together at ES, ridiculous imo. It seems obvious to put the green rookie with our best vet Dman who can anchor a pairing at both ends and who helped Bouch become a premier Dman in this league. It also forces us to get a good long look at Bouchard without as much of a safety blanket which will help us when it comes time to sign that big ticket extension, possibly. Furthermore, I think Ekholm could use a bit of a minutes reduction solely to keep him as fresh as possible for playoffs. It just seems an obvious route to explore more, before we invest significant assets into a trade for the defense.

Kulak/Nurse-Bouch
Ekholm-Emberson
Nurse/Kulak-Stecher

Looking at line combo stats, that makes most sense as Kulak-Stecher have not been good together. Bouch has been good with Kulak and not much of a sample with Nurse, so thats something else that can be explored.

Emberson with a 30 game NHL sample was being grossly overrated by some based on a limited expanded stats line to walk into a top 4 responsibility and toi role on a Cup contender. This just wasn't going to happen. Knoblauch moved off that quickly and hit gold in deploying veteran Kulak into the 2RD function. This has likely been the coaching staff's best decision this season which has covered off the big hole at 2RD.

Emberson reset as a 3RD has been solid facing right size competition and with confidence is growing his game as a top pair penalty killer. Getting game reps he's becoming a reliable, inexpensive third pair d-man with some edge in his game. I don't see the offensive upside to become an every day second pair but that's okay. Funny that Spector in a recent column suggested Emberson was closer to 5'11" than his listed 6'2". Watching Emberson I kept thinking man he looks smaller than six foot two.

He's been a good fit for a team that needed to squeeze some cap savings. A known player on-ice and character wise to the head coach. Finding his role to deliver good support help.