Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - V - warning in OP

[LouJersey]

It was right to McAvoy.

32 seconds in:

Rask should have seen Nylander there and froze it or passed it harder. That video of McAvoy on that shift may be about as bad as any defenseman we have ever seen. Yikes.

Surprised he didn't come out with the 4th line after a goal like he normally does

 

[Seidenbergy]

Rask should have seen Nylander there and froze it or passed it harder.

No doubt. But just to be clear, that was a response to JRull when he stated

Not sure why all of a sudden it's the defense's fault when Rask literally pushed it into an area where no Bruin could get it.

It's pretty clear at the 32 second mark that McAvoy was right there, the puck was dead center in front of him in perfect position and he let Nylander steal it from him from feet away on his backhand. That can't happen.

 

[JRull86]

You're not only completely ignoring what I'm actually saying and trying to twist it into me solely blaming Rask for that goal. You're acting like an ass on top of it. That's not what I said at all.

What I said was Rask made a stupid decision initially when handling that puck, and it resulted in a turnover. After that McAvoy looked like a chump in his own zone, and it eventually resulted in a goal. The overarching point however, was that that Rask's initial play resulted in that pressure.

I don't care if you think McAvoy should have gotten that puck, perhaps he should have, but where Rask puts that puck was poor to begin with.

Won't let me upload a screenshot since it's too large, but if you pause the full game highlight video at 1:07, which is right after Rask moves it, you'll see the puck too far away from Chara, and not close enough to McAvoy for him to make a play prior to pressure. It's in no man's land.

Not sure why that's diffcult to see.

 

[Seidenbergy]

LOL. You said what you said. I literally quoted it. No sense crying about it now. Rask put the puck right where anyone would put the puck and expect a guy to be able to handle it. It formed a perfect triangle with his skates. It's right there in the video. If the Dman loses a puck "battle" after that from a guy that's further away from the puck than him and on his weakside backhand (whereas McAvoy is on his forehand), that's FAR more on the D than it is the goalie.

 

[EverettMike]

LOL. You said what you said. I literally quoted it. No sense crying about it now. Rask put the puck right where anyone would put the puck and expect a guy to be able to handle it. It formed a perfect triangle with his skates. It's right there in the video. If the Dman loses a puck "battle" after that from a guy that's further away from the puck than him and on his weakside backhand (whereas McAvoy is on his forehand), that's FAR more on the D than it is the goalie.

Inexplicably pushes the puck past Chara into a spot where a Leaf skates into it before it reaches McAvoy. Yeah, McAvoy was weak on his stick, but he was the third closest guy to the puck.

This is why it's hard to take your constant, never-ending defense of Rask seriously. Even when he clearly does something wrong, like he did here, it's not his fault. He did nothing wrong.

 

[JRull86]

Inexplicably pushes the puck past Chara into a spot where a Leaf skates into it before it reaches McAvoy. Yeah, McAvoy was weak on his stick, but he was the third closest guy to the puck.

This is why it's hard to take your constant, never-ending defense of Rask seriously. Even when he clearly does something wrong, like he did here, it's not his fault. He did nothing wrong.

Wow it's almost like someone actually bothered to watch the play instead of trying to act like anyone remotely critical of Rask is a jackass that doesn't understand hockey...

What a novel concept.

 

[EverettMike]

Wow it's almost like someone actually bothered to watch the play instead of trying to act like anyone remotely critical of Rask is a jackass that doesn't understand hockey...

What a novel concept.

I'm sure I still qualify as a jackass.

 

[Seidenbergy]

This is why it's hard to take your constant, never-ending defense of Rask seriously. Even when he clearly does something wrong, like he did here, it's not his fault. He did nothing wrong.

Except I responded "no doubt" to LouJersey's "Rask should have froze it or passed it harder" post.

 

[Seidenbergy]

instead of trying to act like anyone remotely critical of Rask is a jackass that doesn't understand hockey...

What a novel concept.

Never did this. If you took it that way, it's on you.

 

[Dr Hook]

What I find curious is the need to either blame or excuse Rask. He made a mistake- he makes them all the time, just like every other single human being out there. He is a great goalie who on most nights in a season or the playoffs gives the Bruins a chance to win. Whether they take that chance is not up to him. Pointing out where he made is mistake does what exactly? And, defending every mistake as though it wasn't one does what exactly? If Rask was costing the team games on a regular basis, then the discussion becomes relevant, but what is the reason to dissect everything at this point unless the claim is that he is a primary reason why the team is not having success.

 

[JRull86]

I'm sure I still qualify as a jackass.

Sometimes, as I'm sure I do as well. I like you though.

 

[JRull86]

Never did this. If you took it that way, it's on you.

K

 

[EverettMike]

LOL. You said what you said. I literally quoted it. No sense crying about it now. Rask put the puck right where anyone would put the puck and expect a guy to be able to handle it. It formed a perfect triangle with his skates. It's right there in the video. If the Dman loses a puck "battle" after that from a guy that's further away from the puck than him and on his weakside backhand (whereas McAvoy is on his forehand), that's FAR more on the D than it is the goalie.

Except I responded "no doubt" to LouJersey's "Rask should have froze it or passed it harder" post.

Seems as though there is some doubt Rask "put the puck right where anyone would." Because some of us are arguing he put it in a terrible spot--past Chara to an open space where a Leaf was skating right into--but others are arguing it was "right where anyone would put the puck."

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It was the right spot, but he also should have moved it out further or covered it up entirely.

 

[EverettMike]

What I find curious is the need to either blame or excuse Rask. He made a mistake- he makes them all the time, just like every other single human being out there. He is a great goalie who on most nights in a season or the playoffs gives the Bruins a chance to win. Whether they take that chance is not up to him. Pointing out where he made is mistake does what exactly? And, defending every mistake as though it wasn't one does what exactly? If Rask was costing the team games on a regular basis, then the discussion becomes relevant, but what is the reason to dissect everything at this point unless the claim is that he is a primary reason why the team is not having success.

I'm not sure a hockey forum where lunatics over dissect everything is what you want in life.

And overwhelmingly everyone agrees he wasn't the primary reason they lost last night. Nor is anyone even saying he was a major reason. But he was lethargic for the first 40 minutes, and the timing of the first Leafs goal, which he started with a bonehead play, was a huge turning point in the game. Feels worthy of discussion.

 

[Number8]

You're not only completely ignoring what I'm actually saying and trying to twist it into me solely blaming Rask for that goal. You're acting like an ass on top of it. That's not what I said at all.

What I said was Rask made a stupid decision initially when handling that puck, and it resulted in a turnover. After that McAvoy looked like a chump in his own zone, and it eventually resulted in a goal. The overarching point however, was that that Rask's initial play resulted in that pressure.

I don't care if you think McAvoy should have gotten that puck, perhaps he should have, but where Rask puts that puck was poor to begin with.

Won't let me upload a screenshot since it's too large, but if you pause the full game highlight video at 1:07, which is right after Rask moves it, you'll see the puck too far away from Chara, and not close enough to McAvoy for him to make a play prior to pressure. It's in no man's land.

Not sure why that's diffcult to see.

It was an awful breakdown from start to finish. Cannot happen. Just cannot happen.

B’s gave this game away — hope like hell we don’t look back on this and regret it more than we do now. Awful.

 

[LouJersey]

Tim Thomas Bruins career---

29-21

won 5 games where Bruins scored 2 or less goals. lost 14 games where the Bruins scored 2 or less goals.

In games where the Bruins need to win/clinch or lose the series. 12-5

In wins
1 goal-2 times
2 goals- 3 times
3 goals- 2 times
4 goals- 12 times
5 goals- 7 times
6 goals- 1 time
7 goals- 1 time
8 goals- 1time

Tuukka Rask Bruins career--

33-26

won 8 games where Bruins scored 2 or less goals. lost 17 games where the Bruins scored 2 or less goals

In games where the Bruins need to win/clinch or lose the series. 5-13

In wins
1 goal- 2 times
2 goals- 6 times
3 goals- 9 times
4 goals- 7 times
5 goals- 7 times
6 goals- 1 time
7 goals- 1 time

 

[Seidenbergy]

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It was the right spot, but he also should have moved it out further or covered it up entirely.

Nope. Faster, not further. May seem like nit-picking but it's not. The placement actually turned out to be perfect. It was the speed that was the issue.

 

[EverettMike]

Nope. Faster, not further. May seem like nit-picking but it's not. The placement actually turned out to be perfect. It was the speed that was the issue.

Trying to have it both ways. Rask didn't make the right play, but he did.

 

[Number8]

Trying to have it both ways. Rask didn't make the right play, but he did.

Agree — that’s not on Rask.

I love Charlie M — I think his knee is an issue and he’s still a very young kid shouldering a major burden. However, he needs to be much harder on that play. It happens and I’m certain he knows it.

Bruins forwards needed to pick him up — have to finish those golden chances.

Toronto has too much firepower to expect shutouts. That said, even two goals given up due to D breakdowns shouldn’t have won last night. We should have buried three in the first.

 

[EverettMike]

Agree — that’s not on Rask.

I love Charlie M — I think his knee is an issue and he’s still a very young kid shouldering a major burden. However, he needs to be much harder on that play. It happens and I’m certain he knows it.

Bruins forwards needed to pick him up — have to finish those golden chances.

Toronto has too much firepower to expect shutouts. That said, even two goals given up due to D breakdowns shouldn’t have won last night. We should have buried three in the first.

Haha, no idea if you're joking or not, but just to be clear where I stand: Rask f***ed up. He should have moved the puck to Chara towards the corner. He put it in the worst spot possible, and while Charlie was weak on his stick the puck never should have been directed at him at all. Rask was lazy and careless with the puck, and it led to arguably the most important goal of the game.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Nope. Faster, not further. May seem like nit-picking but it's not. The placement actually turned out to be perfect. It was the speed that was the issue.

How is the placement perfect when its between the two defensemen rather than actually to one of the defensemen?

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm not sure a hockey forum where lunatics over dissect everything is what you want in life.

And overwhelmingly everyone agrees he wasn't the primary reason they lost last night. Nor is anyone even saying he was a major reason. But he was lethargic for the first 40 minutes, and the timing of the first Leafs goal, which he started with a bonehead play, was a huge turning point in the game. Feels worthy of discussion.

Well, it definitely isn't what I want most out of life I enjoy reading, and don't take any of it very seriously, and am actually genuinely interested and curious about some of the things I read. The whole debate about Tuuka is one of them. The polarization on him is pretty amazing .

 

[Seidenbergy]

How is the placement perfect when its between the two defensemen rather than actually to one of the defensemen?

Freeze my video at 32 secs.

 

[rocketdan9]

Tim Thomas Bruins career---

29-21

won 5 games where Bruins scored 2 or less goals. lost 14 games where the Bruins scored 2 or less goals.

In games where the Bruins need to win/clinch or lose the series. 12-5

In wins
1 goal-2 times
2 goals- 3 times
3 goals- 2 times
4 goals- 12 times
5 goals- 7 times
6 goals- 1 time
7 goals- 1 time
8 goals- 1time

Tuukka Rask Bruins career--

33-26

won 8 games where Bruins scored 2 or less goals. lost 17 games where the Bruins scored 2 or less goals

In games where the Bruins need to win/clinch or lose the series. 5-13

In wins
1 goal- 2 times
2 goals- 6 times
3 goals- 9 times
4 goals- 7 times
5 goals- 7 times
6 goals- 1 time
7 goals- 1 time

Thomas was a big game goalie

 

[Oates2Neely]

Rask should have seen Nylander there and froze it or passed it harder. That video of McAvoy on that shift may be about as bad as any defenseman we have ever seen. Yikes.

Surprised he didn't come out with the 4th line after a goal like he normally does

Not disagreeing but watch that again and tell me what Riley Nash was doing there. Chara had man covered, McAvoy had Nylander and Kadri and he chose to go at Kadri. Meanwhile Riley Nash covered nobody