Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part 2 (MOD # 598)

[Seidenbergy]

How can I contradict myself if the prospects have never played in big games?

Because you said that they don't tap out in big games. You literally can't say that.

 

[chrisab123]

Because you said that they don't tap out in big games. You literally can't say that.

They are prospects. They haven't had the opportunity to tap out in big games yet. Point is that Rask has shown a tendency to do so. I would rather hand over the reigns to someone else and let them go through growing pains than watch a guy not even show up to the biggest game of the season. If you make 56 million dollars over the course of a contract its expected that you show up to these games. I'm sure a guy like Bergy who played with a legit injury in the Cup Finals a few years back certainly understood and felt bad for Tuuka that he was so unable to go on Saturday.

 

[SmBoston]

I love how you think its acceptable for a guy to not play in the biggest game of the year. Two big games in his career, once in the NHL and once in the Olympics and he gets sick with the same illness. You really buy that? Plenty of good goalies have been talented but scared of the spotlight. He's certainly one of them. Sure he's got pretty overall numbers but when its crunch time would you feel comfortable with him in net?

You honestly think that the ONLY big game that Rask has faced in his NHL career was Saturday's game? I'd have to say i don't think that is accurate at all. How come he didn't "back out" of the MTL series, or the Chicago stf? I would think those games were way more nerve racking than the OTT game.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

The team would've had $7M in extra cap space that would've afforded a better goaltender than Goose to share time with Jones

plus a better defenseman than the re-signed "Quaider" to help in front of them.

And the Rebuild would've been one year ahead of where it is right now.

Martin Jones cap hit is 3 milliion. They went out and got Reimer as a backup and he makes 2.3. Assuming the Bruins might have done the same you're looking at 7.7 mil vs 5.3.

Not the huge difference you're making it out to be.

 

[chrisab123]

You honestly think that the ONLY big game that Rask has faced in his NHL career was Saturday's game? I'd have to say i don't think that is accurate at all. How come he didn't "back out" of the MTL series, or the Chicago stf? I would think those games were way more nerve racking than the OTT game.

Never said that. I can however name a few games off the top of my head including game 6 where he just had a meltdown or didn't show up. I mentioned the Cup Series and you also can't overlook the fact that letting in two goals while not all his fault in an almost record time is still a systematic choke job. Whats interesting is that both of those examples the Bruins were on the losing end of. He backed out of the OTT game and the Olympics, I would say either thats a very weird coincidence or he just didn't want to play.

 

[mislysBB]

After reading the last page of this thread.....

I hear tin foil hats are for sale. Some of y'all could use one.

 

[SmBoston]

Never said that. I can however name a few games off the top of my head including game 6 where he just had a meltdown or didn't show up. I mentioned the Cup Series and you also can't overlook the fact that letting in two goals while not all his fault in an almost record time is still a systematic choke job. Whats interesting is that both of those examples the Bruins were on the losing end of. He backed out of the OTT game and the Olympics, I would say either thats a very weird coincidence or he just didn't want to play.

But you did say that... "Two big games in his career, once in the NHL and once in the Olympics and he gets sick with the same illness. You really buy that?"

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

...

Hey, I've got a GREAT IDEA.

How about we all keep it civil? Because if we can't keep it civil, then the moderating team doesn't stay civil and we get all nasty and ****.

I don't like being nasty. Post not poster. Ps and Qs.

 

[chrisab123]

But you did say that... "Two big games in his career, once in the NHL and once in the Olympics and he gets sick with the same illness. You really buy that?"

Sure I picked two big games. But that's just it. If you're an elite goalie like people on this board believe that Rask is, and he is paid to be just that why am I even able to pick out one game where he took off? My opinion might be right or it could be wrong. But Rask has been put between the pipes in must win games before. How many times has it worked out?

 

[SmBoston]

Sure I picked two big games. But that's just it. If you're an elite goalie like people on this board believe that Rask is, and he is paid to be just that why am I even able to pick out one game where he took off? My opinion might be right or it could be wrong (I'm sure Seidenbergy will say Wrong in one word because all he can add to a conversation is snide remarks). But Rask has been put between the pipes in must win games before. How many times has it worked out?

Not saying you're wrong, just trying to get a better understanding behind your opinion that's all. The sick thing is a little sketchy, i'll say that. But to me reading others posts saying he wasn't really sick or he's done this in the olympics it happens in every tough game confuses me. He's played in games much more nerve racking than this, and has been in the playoffs three times now. I don't think he's faking it for a game against OTT. He's shown his potential at a young age. 25 he brought us to the STF. To me it was not a total choke job from Rask. It was multiple players at different positions. He's still only 29 i think he will help lead us back to the finals, and improve even more than what he has previously shown. Get rid of him and it'll turn out to be a regret.

 

[chrisab123]

Not saying you're wrong, just trying to get a better understanding behind your opinion that's all. The sick thing is a little sketchy, i'll say that. But to me reading others posts saying he wasn't really sick or he's done this in the olympics it happens in every tough game confuses me. He's played in games much more nerve racking than this, and has been in the playoffs three times now. I don't think he's faking it for a game against OTT. He's shown his potential at a young age. 25 he brought us to the STF. To me it was not a total choke job from Rask. It was multiple players at different positions. He's still only 29 i think he will help lead us back to the finals, and improve even more than what he has previously shown. Get rid of him and it'll turn out to be a regret.

He has potential. Problem is many have had potential and have been done in by other factors such as that critical organ in between the ears. I like him as a regular season goalie for the most part believe it or not so I'm not advocating dumping the guy for a 5th rounder or anything. But move him if you can get some value and if you can get someone to take on that contract and I believe that if you give one of the youngsters a shot they might surprise you. I don't think this team gets back to the finals for a very long time. Not at this rate and not with this management team.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Sure I picked two big games. But that's just it. If you're an elite goalie like people on this board believe that Rask is, and he is paid to be just that why am I even able to pick out one game where he took off?

Every goalie in the history of the nhl has "taken off" games due to illness or injury.

 

[chrisab123]

Every goalie in the history of the nhl has "taken off" games due to illness or injury.

You're dancing around the point. I'm not talking about game 17 against Calgary. I'm talking about 1 game away from a gold medal round and one game that is the difference between making the playoffs and your coach getting canned/going home. Two pretty big games missed for the exact same reason. Either really bad timing or something else.

 

[captain stone]

He also won a bunch in both.

I'm still waiting on a response about the prospects.

Jeremy Smith played well in Providence but has never played an NHL game; let's see what he has.

Subban sucks and was a horrible, slap-in-the-face pick by the ChiaPet; feckin disgraceful.

Zane Mac didn't play as well in Providence as I had hoped; maybe he puts it more together with another year there.

Look, this team is going nowhere next season. I would rather dump Rask, save the money, find a middling Goalie to split time with Smith, take our lumps with the kids, strike gold in the 2017 lottery and build from the bottom up.

Rask might not be part of the problem - or at least not a large part of it - but he's certainly not part of the solution either.

 

[JOKER 192]

Martin Jones cap hit is 3 milliion. They went out and got Reimer as a backup and he makes 2.3. Assuming the Bruins might have done the same you're looking at 7.7 mil vs 5.3.

Not the huge difference you're making it out to be.

except that they acquired Riemer just before TD so

 

[SmBoston]

He has potential. Problem is many have had potential and have been done in by other factors such as that critical organ in between the ears.

Who are you referring to? Are you saying you think Rask is done in?

I like him as a regular season goalie for the most part believe it or not so I'm not advocating dumping the guy for a 5th rounder or anything. But move him if you can get some value and if you can get someone to take on that contract and I believe that if you give one of the youngsters a shot they might surprise you. I don't think this team gets back to the finals for a very long time. Not at this rate and not with this management team.

This team won't make it to a final for a very long time with this rate and management sure i agree. I was referring more to random things i've read recently about him never being able to take the Bruins to the finals again, not necessarily your post.
I can't seeing the youngsters that we have right now helping us as much as Rask has/can.

 

[Seidenbergy]

You're dancing around the point. I'm not talking about game 17 against Calgary. I'm talking about 1 game away from a gold medal round and one game that is the difference between making the playoffs and your coach getting canned/going home. Two pretty big games missed for the exact same reason. Either really bad timing or something else.

I'm not dancing around anything. I'm quoting you and responding to each "point" with direct contradictory evidence.

Answer this: how many big games would you say rask has played in?

 

[chrisab123]

Who are you referring to? Are you saying you think Rask is done in?



This team won't make it to a final for a very long time with this rate and management sure i agree. I was referring more to random things i've read recently about him never being able to take the Bruins to the finals again, not necessarily your post.
I can't seeing the youngsters that we have right now helping us as much as Rask has/can.

Rask isn't done. Not at all. He's a fine goalie but they paid him that contract based on his potential. Which he did go out and win a Vienza trophy so the contract was certainly warranted. I mean if you look at the history of the NHL you'll probably find players with tons of potential that became good but could have been great had they had more of a killer instinct. I think hes a top 10 goalie for sure no matter how you slice it but back before he got paid I think everyone had him top 3. Its almost as if hes regressed. I'm sure the lackluster defense helped with that. If you can move Rask to upgrade the D they need to really look into it.

 

[captain stone]

Martin Jones cap hit is 3 milliion. They went out and got Reimer as a backup and he makes 2.3. Assuming the Bruins might have done the same you're looking at 7.7 mil vs 5.3.

Not the huge difference you're making it out to be.

Not huge, but if that difference is added to not re-signing McQuaid and dumping Seidenberg somehow, then the difference becomes more significant.

 

[chrisab123]

I'm not dancing around anything. I'm quoting you and responding to each "point" with direct contradictory evidence.

Answer this: how many big games would you say rask has played in?

I'd say while any playoff game is a big game. The biggest games have been Game 6 of the cup where the Bruins had that game more or less won. That Montreal series the year after. I think everyone felt they were going to blow by Detroit. The Pittsburgh series was in theory supposed to be a big one but that whole team self destructed. The Rangers series I thought Rask played very well.

That cup series and Montreal do stick out. However, he missed game 82 this year. He didn't even try to give it a go. I think if he at least tried to do so most people would understand and even applaud the guy for trying. But with two instances of doing this now its beginning to become a trend in these games.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Two instances out of dozens of games don't make a trend.

 

[SmBoston]

That cup series and Montreal do stick out. However, he missed game 82 this year. He didn't even try to give it a go. I think if he at least tried to do so most people would understand and even applaud the guy for trying. But with two instances of doing this now its beginning to become a trend in these games.

Let's not forget he did try to give it a go. Not during the game but he was dressed and on the ice during warmups. I think its pretty ludicrous if he new there was no way then, to go out and try on top of that. Especially when you have a backup that is 100%.

I think it would have been a lot worse if Rask was really that bad and tried to start that game.

 

[chrisab123]

Two instances out of dozens of games don't make a trend.

My point is that considering the magnitude of those games you shouldn't even have one game let alone two where that stuff even happens. Yeah sure he went on the ice before the game and left. But its game 82, people are playing injured in front of you. Hell Krecji just had surgery today. You would think Rask owed it to those guys to go out there and try to play. When you are one of the highest paid players on the team, its a different standard that you're held to. Fair or not.

 

[Lobster57]

My point is that considering the magnitude of those games you shouldn't even have one game let alone two where that stuff even happens. Yeah sure he went on the ice before the game and left. But its game 82, people are playing injured in front of you. Hell Krecji just had surgery today. You would think Rask owed it to those guys to go out there and try to play. When you are one of the highest paid players on the team, its a different standard that you're held to. Fair or not.

So, you won't be satisfied with Rask's effort and gameness unless he's ******** in his pants and puking in his mask.

Makes sense.

 

[Aeroforce]

Here's the media scrum with Rask from today: https://www.nhl.com/bruins/video/locker-room-raw-tuukka-rask/t-277437088/c-43443003

I'm not exactly sure what I expect from these things, but he did seem a bit nonchalant about the way the season ended.