TSN: TSN1040 Vancouver: Contract talks with Gallagher have stalled and broken off

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.
 

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Like most I would love to keep him, of course depending on the price and especially the term. However, taking the emotion out of the equation, his value will never be higher so trading him now might be the best option and a good way to stay ahead of the curve. Let's not kid ourselves, MB is building around, Suz, KK, Anderson, Toffoli..that's the new core he's betting on up front and if you can get good assets to add to that core then trading Gallagher now has to be a serious option.
 

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I love Gallagher but we can’t pay for past performances. If he wants more than 6 years at 6 million it’s time to move on. There’s no chance he play this plus 6 more productive years
I would approve 6 years at $5.75M. A forward of his style to age 35 is pushing it. There has to be a AAV edge to get behind that.

If Gally wants more AAV, then 3 years at $6.75M I would be ok with.

But both term and dollars? I don't think the league market is there now for him.
 

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If Gally is traded that means there’s only 4 players on the Habs roster drafted by the organization.

A 5th overall pick in 2005

A 3rd overall pick in 2017

A 3rd line defensive specialist

An undersized depth defenceman

Great stuff as per usual Trevor

You forgot a 7th round pick in 2014. 2nd round pick in 2018 is also pretty sure to make the roster this year. Maybe 2015 1st stick as well.

I'd also say 2017 3rd round will play some games during the years at D. 2015 3rd round as well at forward.
 

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Meh... IMHO, it just affects what will be to be done on the trade market and in free agency next season. We know we can't sign all three and we know they're all good players. It happens. Fortunately we have young players like Ylonen and Caufield knocking on the door. I think we realistically can keep two of these guys.
You keep mentioning Ylonen and I'm curious why. We have drafted lots of Ylonens over the years that never amounted to anything.

Surely, planning your roster with Ylonen in mind is a stretch.
 

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One of the reasons we got all these players is so they can stay together while Suzuki & KK also get some quality linemates. It sounds like that whole line is worried they're about to become the 3rd line & lose PP time to the new guys.
I don't think we've heard a thing from Tatar OR his agent. We also haven't heard anything from Gallagher, just his agent that says talks have broken off. This is probably just a negotiation tactic to try to get as much as he can for his client and has nothing to do with the recent acquisitions. Danault doesn't get much PP time anyway and his comments came before we acquired Anderson and Toffoli.

So no, it doesn't sound like the whole line is worried about Anderson and Toffoli. It doesn't even sound like one of them is worried about them.
 

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$6.5m × 8 is as high as Montreal should go: Kreider got a similar contract.

$5.5m (escrow is still at 20% so you want a lower amount first year), $8m, $8m, $8m, $6.5, $6m, $5m & $5m.

Thinks that's more than fair. I'm sure it's all about the bonuses too.

I'm really ok with trading him but doubt MB will. Ditto with Danault & Tatar.
If we are doing 8 years I would want something more like 8,8,7,7,5,5,4,4=48= 6 million cap. Makes him more tradeable. Maybe even 9,8,7,6, 4,4,3,3=44=5.5 cap hit. If he is smart the extra earned on the front end in an investment will make up for the backend. Plus he can get endorsements in Montreal (low pro sports team #, very local market) more than a number of other cities. (Something we often forget when talking about players coming to the habs).

Don't really want him above 6 if its more than 5 years. He gets 3 years salary the first year and then it starts to slide a bit each year. At 5% dividend that 9 million alone is 450,000 a year to live on, while the team pays for your lodgings while away. And that is a single year. Year 2 if he hasn't touched his 9 he is at 17 million and almost 1 million a year to live off of. At the end of his 5.5 cap contract he would have 2.2 million a year in dividends (which are taxed less than working income).

And this is just from the new contract meaning the first half of his career was play money. If he is frugal, he could save a bit more each season and end his career with a cool 50 million in investments for 2.5 million a year. If you can't live on that amout you are doing something wrong.

I know it is relative to other players, but just goes to show how even a 5.5X8 if front loaded can easily make you have a comfortable living. By the end of that contract you make almost as much off of dividends as you do off actual salary.
 

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I would approve 6 years at $5.75M. A forward of his style to age 35 is pushing it. There has to be a AAV edge to get behind that.

If Gally wants more AAV, then 3 years at $6.75M I would be ok with.

But both term and dollars? I don't think the league market is there now for him.

That's the contract I'm hoping they eventually settle on, a $2M raise long term is pretty decent
 

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Re-negotiate next summer. It’s not like the team loses him for sure if they don’t sign him now.
I wouldn't go there. They engaged him this summer, heard his expectations and the talks broke off. There's still lots of time, but I would either re-sign him or trade him this offseason.
 

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I would approve 6 years at $5.75M. A forward of his style to age 35 is pushing it. There has to be a AAV edge to get behind that.

If Gally wants more AAV, then 3 years at $6.75M I would be ok with.

But both term and dollars? I don't think the league market is there now for him.
You know he’s gonna ask for more than 6’million that’s a guarantee. Anderson and drouin making 5.5.
Man was underpaid now wants his payday
 

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Gallagher wants to get paid and have security like anyone else.

This is likely to be his big payday, so I don't expect a hometown discount.

I think 7M might be my ceiling on what I'd pay.

I'm also a little apprehensive to give him 8 years, but that type of thing doesn't seem to bother MB.

I would like 4 years, but Gallagher would never do that.

Honestly not sure what's going to happen with Gallagher.

Lots of decisions to make for MB.


MB painted himself in a corner by giving a 7 years contract to Anderson who has not played a single game with the Habs yet.

Gally should now expect a 8 season contract at 7m $ minimum.
 
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Plus RNH is really a center. So if Julien had him, would he:
  • 1. move Suzuki to RW?
  • 2. move RNH to LW?
  • 3. Drop KK or Danault to 4C?

He'd move RNH to LW, he's played there the most recently. I just don't see Montreal being able to retain RNH.

He'd be good for the team though. Not as good as Gallagher, but good.
 

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If Gally is traded that means there’s only 4 players on the Habs roster drafted by the organization.

A 5th overall pick in 2005

A 3rd overall pick in 2017

A 3rd line defensive specialist

An undersized depth defenceman

Great stuff as per usual Trevor
I was thinking about that also, but it feels like the Habs are in a transitional period. The prospect pool is pretty deep and of course they won't all make it but over time, during these next few years, I feel like there will be a lot more homegrown players on the team.
 
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Doc McKenna

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If Gally is traded that means there’s only 4 players on the Habs roster drafted by the organization.

A 5th overall pick in 2005

A 3rd overall pick in 2017

A 3rd line defensive specialist

An undersized depth defenceman

Great stuff as per usual Trevor
Timmons didn't trade the other picks, nore was it his job to develop them as players.

How do you run in circles if you consider the players he drafted that are no longer habs? Does stanley cup McDonagh and patches not count? How about sergechev or how we got weber for a norris Subban. You can't claim he busted his picks if those picks are traded away and are relevant to either teams.
 
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You forgot a 7th round pick in 2014. 2nd round pick in 2018 is also pretty sure to make the roster this year. Maybe 2015 1st stick as well.

I'd also say 2017 3rd round will play some games during the years at D. 2015 3rd round as well at forward.

Until it happens it hasn’t happened

I’ll give him credit for Romanov though
 

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Timmons didn't trade the other picks, nore was it his job to develop them as players.

How do you run in circles if you consider the players he drafted that are no longer habs? Does stanley cup McDonagh and patches not count? How about sergechev or how we got weber for a norris Subban. You can't claim he busted his picks if those picks are traded away and are relevant to either teams.

You’re listing guys drafted in 2007. There’s been 13 drafts since. His last really good draft was 2007.

Sergachev was a 9th overall pick. I expect someone that is paid to scout to select a quality player at 9th. You don’t deserve kudos for that.
 

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.

I love Gallagher's heart and his no quit attitude but signing him long term will be a massive mistake. Anderson signing long term definitely felt like it was from out of nowhere though so we'll see what the future holds for Gally. I think he will sign a MAX 5 year deal for 6 million. 4 years would be more team friendly.
 

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if they trade Gally to Vancouver - which I don't want - Canucks gonna force Erickson down Habs' throat.
 

1909

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You’re listing guys drafted in 2007. There’s been 13 drafts since. His last really good draft was 2007.

Sergachev was a 9th overall pick. I expect someone that is paid to scout to select a quality player at 9th. You don’t deserve kudos for that.

Right: Sergachev was an easy pick to make.
 

JianYang

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.

I respect the hell out of Gallagher. I have all the time in the world for guys who show up every night and play their ass off. Few guys do that and few guys take conditioning as seriously as gallagher.

But the cruel reality is that you do have to consider what the player will bring going forward, and you do have to consider how much more time he has left to play the way he needs to play, especially in a cap world.

It gives me no pleasure to say that the habs have to consider moving on if his term and cap hit is indigestable.
 
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