TSN: TSN1040 Vancouver: Contract talks with Gallagher have stalled and broken off

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.

Pacioretty all over again.

Great player on a steal of a contract that certain fans feel the need to sh*t on. Its embarrassing.
 

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Is he worth a first round pick?

I'm always worried that he's playing hurt just to stay in the line-up. I love Gally, but his value is diminishing.
 

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MB painted himself in a corner by giving a 7 years contract to Anderson who has not played a single game with the Habs yet.

Gally should now expect a 8 season contract at 7m $ minimum.
MB knew exactly what he was doing - he’s got that Jean Chretien “I’m just a little guy from Shawinigan routine down to a science”
 

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I don't understand why MB would short-changed Gally, his heart and soul player who scored on average 30 goals per season in the last few years. Unless, his medical record is showing alarming infos... And even then.
 

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Right: Sergachev was an easy pick to make.

Especially when he keeps missing at the end of the 1st (Scherbak, Tinordi, McCarron) and middle of the 1st (Beaulieu, Leblanc), so he better get it right in the top of the 1st or he really shouldn’t have a job anywhere.
 
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I don't understand why MB would shot-changed Gally, his heart and soul player who scored on average 30 goals per season in the last few years. Unless, his medical record is showing alarming infos... And even then.
Depends what he is asking. I think anything above 6 mil x 4 or 5 years and you have to really consider his body, age, type of game he plays etc...
 

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My baseline is Kreider , 7 years at $6.5M AAV. But yeah, that is a lot of years .

Lots of time left to make a deal, so no panic. For sure though, its a sign or trade situation. At the TDL we should expect a late 1st and a good but not great prospect as a rental ? Does not seem like much. If we are really far apart, I would start talking to other teams right now, just to get a feel for his market.
 

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Especially when he keeps missing at the end of the 1st (Scherbak, Tinordi, McCarron) and middle of the 1st (Beaulieu, Leblanc), so he better get it right in the top of the 1st or he really shouldn’t have a job anywhere.


The KK's pick is not yet so sure still.
 

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.
Hockey is a buisness , you don't win with heart and soul. Dude is already a millionaire . Imagine giving him 6.5m for 6 years just because he has '' heart for this team'' Gallagher could really turn into a 3rd liner in less than 2 seasons. His skill sets are beyond limited and his size during playoff is a problem due of him not skating well and not being skilled enough to dodge d-mans.

We all love him but unless he takes a 4 year deal and still at good price like Toffoli type of deal. He's out for me. He's that expendable. He got 50 points twice on real bad teams and had the best 2 linemates with him. He was heading for a 48 points season. It's a question of time for him. Wouldn't be surprised if in 2 years he gets less that 40 points in a full season.


TDLR : We are talking about giving a second liner that barely made it above 50 points a deal of 6-7-8 years for 6.5m+ that's just insanely awful.
 

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Depends what he is asking. I think anything above 6 mil x 4 or 5 years and you have to really consider his body, age, type of game he plays etc...

But Gally was a bargain in the last few years and deserve some compensation for that body of work. It is just a matter of fairness.
 

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You’re listing guys drafted in 2007. There’s been 13 drafts since. His last really good draft was 2007.

Sergachev was a 9th overall pick. I expect someone that is paid to scout to select a quality player at 9th. You don’t deserve kudos for that.
You are claiming because picks are no longer habs we have drafted nothing. This while ignoring many of his picks are still playing around the league and a great part of our issue the first 6 years of MB was terrible development. Coincidence our prospects look better since sly got booted? How is it possible to have almost NO picks make the NHL, that you keep on your team. That says a lot more about your GM than your scouting. If you can barely develop a 3rd liner maybe you are doing something wrong. After all gally is a 5th round pick.

And you are still ignoring that even the good picks Timmons had Bergevin traded them away. Also who kept Timmons employed? If he was terrible ta his job, move the picks in trades, or fire his ass. This all falls back on bergevin.
 

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I don't understand why MB would short-changed Gally, his heart and soul player who scored on average 30 goals per season in the last few years. Unless, his medical record is showing alarming infos... And even then.

As a GM, you have to ask yourself if a player with his style is going to remain healthy and effective at age 33, 34. The answer is almost surely absolutely not.

3 or 4 years max is what I would give.
 
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As a GM, you have to ask yourself if a player with his style is going to remain healthy and effective at age 33, 34. The answer is almost surely absolutely not.

3 or 4 years max is what I would give.


Serious Injuries can happen to any players , whatever their age, and have negative impact on their play. I think Gally with the new cast of RW who will pick up good icetime, can be effective for a long run still.
 

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But Gally was a bargain in the last few years and deserve some compensation for that body of work. It is just a matter of fairness.
So because habs won in terms of friendly deal , now we personally owe him a good compensation contract at 6-7 years at 6.5m-7m because of his body.
Imagine being millionaire by playing sports , living in 5stars hotel , first class , access to doctors everyday , no waiting list on surgeries and have personal staff to help you out if needed outside the ice. This poor Gallagher now deserves everything from this franchise.
Habs don't owe him anything. It was his god damn decision to sign that paper back then.
 

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Some of you "fans" seriously make me sick to my stomach.

The guy has been the heart and soul of some lousy hockey clubs.

As typical Habs forwards in the past, the small guys play big and the big guys play soft.

I am not even talking term and AAV in this post but some of you are real ***holes ."Ship Him Out", "Get Rid if Him"... broken hands, broken jaw and getting beat up almost every night deserves a LOT of respect.
Never fall in love with assets, which by their nature are there for bartering for maximizing return (which obviously can be subjective)
 
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Doc McKenna

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Pacioretty all over again.

Great player on a steal of a contract that certain fans feel the need to sh*t on. Its embarrassing.
Or maybe its a business that is headed towards youth, speed, skill and health in an era that has a cap. You don't overpay for experience if you want to win.

Others might say you prefer to wallow in mediocrity and nostalgia instead of facing the reality of the player.

Suzuki is more important to this franchise now than patches would have been, Tatar is a bonus that hopefully we trade for something that will help when the young guys develop a little more. Much as I hate MB that was the right call. He may have been slightly short changed in my opinion, but it was still the right thing for this club moving forward.
 

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I think it's important to remove the emotions from it. Gallagher is one of the biggest fan favorites we've had, pure heart and soul guy etc. BUT contract demands are unknown at this point and we dont know how Toffoli and Anderson (and eventually Caufield) will pan out. He could fall to a 3rd line winger in 2-3 years, and we can't afford to be paying 3rd line wingers over say 4.5M or so.

It needs to be the right business decision going forward, and sometimes we need to maximize the trade value and move a player similar to the Patches trade for the long-term success.
 

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If he has M-A Fleury's agent, he will re-sign with us.
 

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I don't understand why MB would short-changed Gally, his heart and soul player who scored on average 30 goals per season in the last few years. Unless, his medical record is showing alarming infos... And even then.
It’s a Covid cap Flat cap. Unless you’re an absolute premier player , the player has no leverage
Gallagher can not get 6 x 6.5 million. That’s insane
 
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I think it's important to remove the emotions from it. Gallagher is one of the biggest fan favorites we've had, pure heart and soul guy etc. BUT contract demands are unknown at this point and we dont know how Toffoli and Anderson (and eventually Caufield) will pan out. He could fall to a 3rd line winger in 2-3 years, and we can't afford to be paying 3rd line wingers over say 4.5M or so.

It needs to be the right business decision going forward, and sometimes we need to maximize the trade value and move a player similar to the Patches trade for the long-term success.
Even if he stays a second line winger at 6 plus that is a lot of money. Some say we have three 2nd lines, well then no one should be earning too much because we don't have top level talent.

For me if he wants long term its 5.5 max. if he wants short term its 6.5 max. If its anything more trade him .
 
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