TSN: TSN1040 Vancouver: Contract talks with Gallagher have stalled and broken off

[Zorba]

He said himself that he would happily make Gallagher the highest paid Habs forward. So I'm pretty sure he's offering him something coherent to that.

Now, there's a difference between a symbolic 5.75M deal, and the 7M Gallagher may be asking.
I'm sorry, but 7M bucks for Gallagher is a no go an no matter who gives it to him is going to sorely regret it.
Gallagher said a few weeks back that winning was everything to him. Time to walk the talk.

He could get 7 million. On a 4 year deal. Max

 

[calder candidate]

Thing is, MB let Markov walk. I don’t think he’ll hesitate to do the same with Gally if he doesn’t meet the team’s needs/demands.

I don’t care if MB decide not to sign him, but he can’t let him walk, we need to mange our assets.

 

[Roadhouse]

You should add Josh Anderson!

As well as 500+ shifts for Toffoli with the Kings to make up the TOI differential with Gallagher. Not sure where that puts him in terms of goals/pts.

 

[Be a Hab]

What are the rumoured offer/want? I think anything under $6M is a deal in comparison to what he'd get elsewhere.

There's also the chance that he doesn't think the moves we made change the team all that much as far as results will go.

I’m thinking a comparable that is used by Gallagher’s agent is Chris Kreider.

6,5M per for 7 years was it?

 

[Kents polished head]

Yep Godin raised the same point. Bergevin is handing out money to 'outsiders' (Edmundson, Anderson and Toffoli) but it would send the wrong message to the rest of the team if they don't treat Gally fairly in these contract negotiations. I do think that MB is playing the media but this could get nasty a la Markov/Radulov get a dog if he's not careful with what he says.

To be honest, if the group in place was so great and so deserving of consideration, they would have gotten the job done and Bergevin might not have needed to hand out lucrative contracts to "outsiders". I mean, Gallagher can bleed and sweat all he wants for this team, if all it gets us to is the bottom-tier of the league, and that winning is ACTUALLY his priority, well he'll understand there were needs and that the current group wasn't getting shit done.

 

[Zorba]

Don't get me wrong - I do not want to give Gallagher any amount of term and have been preaching trading him before a long term deal.

I am merely commenting on how the negotiations will go.. Toffoli helps, but Drouin & Anderson give Gallagher an argument for his ask.

As he should. He’s been terrific. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I wasn’t a fan of either or those 2 contracts

 

[Zorba]

I’m thinking a comparable that is used by Gallagher’s agent is Chris Kreider.

6,5M per for 7 years was it?

And the rangers will be regretting that soon

 

[WeThreeKings]

As he should. He’s been terrific. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I wasn’t a fan of either or those 2 contracts

Me either.

Drouin's contract and play is such a big sore spot for this team.

 

[Kents polished head]

Totals

547

173

161

334

[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

Gallager

Totals

525

145

155

300

[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

Toffoli

And yup. While I believe Gallagher is the better player here, if we take out emotions and just look at it rationally, it's hard to see a world in which Toffoli is getting paid 4.25M a year and Gallagher 7M a year. Toffoli is no slouch either as far as intangibles go. He's a threat on the PP and plays the PK on a regular shift, too.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

To be honest, if the group in place was so great and so deserving of consideration, they would have gotten the job done and Bergevin might not have needed to hand out lucrative contracts to "outsiders". I mean, Gallagher can bleed and sweat all he wants for this team, if all it gets us to is the bottom-tier of the league, and that winning is ACTUALLY his priority, well he'll understand there were needs and that the current group wasn't getting shit done.

Doesn't send the right kind of message to kids/youngsters like Suzuki, KK, Lehkonen if you ask me. Then you get cases of MB downplaying guys like Kulak or questioning players loyalty and it can get downright ugly.

 

[Kents polished head]

You should add Josh Anderson!

Anderson has nothing to do with Gallagher stylistically, and you know it. The supply and demand makes him more valuable to your regular hockey team than Gallagher. How that contract will age is anybody's guess, but players in Anderson's mold don't go on trees.

Fans have a hard time taking the emotions away when they evaluate their favorite players, and I can understand. But a GM can't manage this team the same way. It's all about supply and demand. And how easily you can replace X or Y guy.

I remember people talking about Callahan in NY. On how he was the heart and soul of the Rangers and what not... They had quite a couple of good runs even after trading him out. And McDonagh didn't start pouting afterwards. These guys are grown-ups.

 

[Zorba]

Me either.

Drouin's contract and play is such a big sore spot for this team.

Drouin and Anderson both did nothing to deserve those deals. Gallagher has. Unfortunately for Gallagher , Bergevin won’t kill the cap for 29 year old winger If he wants 7 million he will get 3 maybe 4 years. He won’t get 6 years unless it’s 5-5.5.

 

[Kents polished head]

Doesn't send the right kind of message to kids/youngsters like Suzuki, KK, Lehkonen if you ask me. Then you get cases of MB downplaying guys like Kulak or questioning players loyalty and it can get downright ugly.

Bergevin is not a babysitter. He's an NHL GM who has to make his team better.

Downplaying guys like Kulak is perfectly valid when you put a lot of eggs in that guy's basket and he came into training camp as disoriented as a deer on the highway. As for guys like Suzuki and KK, they're old enough to understand hockey is a business.

And who cares what Lehkonen thinks.

The core in place in the last few seasons didn't get shit done. Bergevin brought new guys and have to pay players according to their individual value, yes, but also taking the team's general performance into consideration. Our players are perfectly capable of knowing that when a team doesn't get anywhere, things might get shuffled.

 

[Habaneros]

And yup. While I believe Gallagher is the better player here, if we take out emotions and just look at it rationally, it's hard to see a world in which Toffoli is getting paid 4.25M a year and Gallagher 7M a year. Toffoli is no slouch either as far as intangibles go. He's a threat on the PP and plays the PK on a regular shift, too.

Toffoli + Anderson = Gallagher

Gallagher wants 7 million?
Toffoli + Andreson is what 9.75 million?

Both those players can give the Habs what they will lose in BGally and more...
i think is how the Habs are looking at it.

Toffoli they can walk away from at 32 yrs old..
BGally probably wants a contract of 7-8 years...he'll be a real old NHLer by then

 

[TheGoalJudge]

Well, we actually have a competent looking team for the first time in a while. And we had a decent (not great) off-season for the first time in a while.

I guess it's time for the media to do their thing and start the circus!

"Hey how come we can't sign free agents?"

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Habs aren't going to break off their only working line. Battling for the 9th place is too important.

IMO, they sign all three, keep em together and mix-up the rest of the wingers with either Suz or KK, but aside from Toffoli and Anderson, you have 4 wingers for 2 places left in the top 9:

Drouin, Armia, Lekhonen and Byron.

All four of them are, or soon to, cost too much to be on the 4th line. Removing Drouin and Byron clears up 9 mil that can serve for their extentions.

This said, because of this outlook, they'll stay pat and see how the other lines workout early in the season before they'd feel.comfortable sacrificing that line.

 

[Be a Hab]

And the rangers will be regretting that soon

For sure. 100% agree.

But for once we actually have a forward group that could potentially be deep enough to compensate the fact we have no real star power.

I’m hoping that Gallagher accepts some thing around 40M over 7 years= 5.71Mper. I mean that’s pretty much best case scenario at this point. And I still have my doubts about giving him such a long contract. Love the guy but you can’t forget we do have prospects coming up as well.

 

[Natey]

Anderson has nothing to do with Gallagher stylistically, and you know it. The supply and demand makes him more valuable to your regular hockey team than Gallagher. How that contract will age is anybody's guess, but players in Anderson's mold don't go on trees.

Fans have a hard time taking the emotions away when they evaluate their favorite players, and I can understand. But a GM can't manage this team the same way. It's all about supply and demand. And how easily you can replace X or Y guy.

I remember people talking about Callahan in NY. On how he was the heart and soul of the Rangers and what not... They had quite a couple of good runs even after trading him out. And McDonagh didn't start pouting afterwards. These guys are grown-ups.

Bergevin's track record sure is fantastic! Maybe he should listen to the fans sometimes.

 

[Kents polished head]

Well, we actually have a competent looking team for the first time in a while. And we had a decent (not great) off-season for the first time in a while.

I guess it's time for the media to do their thing and start the circus!

"Hey how come we can't sign free agents?"

For what it's worth... it's mainly Toronto media who are making a drama out of this.

 

[Wats]

And yup. While I believe Gallagher is the better player here, if we take out emotions and just look at it rationally, it's hard to see a world in which Toffoli is getting paid 4.25M a year and Gallagher 7M a year. Toffoli is no slouch either as far as intangibles go. He's a threat on the PP and plays the PK on a regular shift, too.

Now look at last 3 years...you know the years most indicative of current play.

 

[Kents polished head]

Now look at last 3 years...you know the years most indicative of current play.

You mean the years in which Gallagher was our only legit top-6 right winger and our only capable right shot on the PP, while Toffoli was stuck playing for the worst offensive team in the league?

How fair...

 

[abo9]

If we lose Gallagher for nothing then the positive impact of our last acquisitions will be short lived.

Actually, it looks like the pieces are falling in place. Why go crazy on Anderson before even playing 1 game? Well, seems like the hope is he will be Gallagher's replacement for the next 7 years. I'm thinking Gallagher's ask is too much, so MB won't resign him.

What I'm worried is to lose such pieces for nothing. Since this team might now compete for a playoff spot, it would be crazy to trade Gallagher as a rental. BUT he would be the most sought after player at the TDL if he was on the market... imo anything but a trade will be a failure in capitalizing on Gallagher's value to make this team better long term, but I know it's a very unpopular opinion among Habs fans.

What's gonna happen is Anderson will replace Gallagher but with Gallagher walking to UFA that addition will be equivalent to a swap starting next season...

 

[abo9]

He said himself that he would happily make Gallagher the highest paid Habs forward. So I'm pretty sure he's offering him something coherent to that.

Now, there's a difference between a symbolic 5.75M deal, and the 7M Gallagher may be asking.
I'm sorry, but 7M bucks for Gallagher is a no go and no matter who gives it to him is going to sorely regret it.
Gallagher said a few weeks back that winning was everything to him. Time to walk the talk.[/QUOTE]

Does he care about winning in a Habs uniform or not? Because he'll have a much better chance at finding a winning team on the UFA market if he's to take a discount. And if he's there for money Habs should avoid him.

 

[LaP]

Actually, it looks like the pieces are falling in place. Why go crazy on Anderson before even playing 1 game? Well, seems like the hope is he will be Gallagher's replacement for the next 7 years. I'm thinking Gallagher's ask is too much, so MB won't resign him.

What I'm worried is to lose such pieces for nothing. Since this team might now compete for a playoff spot, it would be crazy to trade Gallagher as a rental. BUT he would be the most sought after player at the TDL if he was on the market... imo anything but a trade will be a failure in capitalizing on Gallagher's value to make this team better long term, but I know it's a very unpopular opinion among Habs fans.

What's gonna happen is Anderson will replace Gallagher but with Gallagher walking to UFA that addition will be equivalent to a swap starting next season...

Obviously replacing Gallagher y a younger and cheaper Anderson while getting better value for Gallagher than what Domi was worth would be a good move. Losing Gallagher for nothing next summer would obviously mean we did not progress by acquiring Anderson outside of the current season alone.

 

[Sorinth]

I've said it before, this Anderson contract pays on Potential while Gallagher wants to get paid on Achievements. It's not disrespect, it's a disconnect in expectations. Bergevin is assessing value on what he thinks players will put up in the 2020's. He's not the only GM to use that line of thought.

Of course "who cares", you knew that was a parody so why bring it up again? Gally's shot still sucks donkey balls. No disrespect.

Because Gallagher's shot doesn't suck donkey balls. There's a lot more to having a good shot then looking good in a shooting competition but you seem to ignore that.

Gallagher's potential production over the next few years is higher then Anderson's. So the whole potential vs past success is irrelevant.