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Not much to add to this except that even if the referees are "the story of the tournament", fine, tell us about it, but please stop whining.
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RallyKiller said:
um......even then the middle name would be "sports".....I don't think you understood what Gord was saying.......
Overall, sure. In Canada, not so sure.
I think these games are also shown on Centre Ice, so overall, a lot more Americans are potentially watching than Russians.
Like I said, webcasting is the way it's gonna be if games outside of the major host city are ever going to be shown.
I think these games are also shown on Centre Ice, so overall, a lot more Americans are potentially watching than Russians.
Like I said, webcasting is the way it's gonna be if games outside of the major host city are ever going to be shown.
We will have a fairly large serving of NHL referees and NHL players so the quality should be better than what we are seeing now. Teams like Kazakhstan and Italy will no doubt have a tough time with the unfamiliar rules( to them ) along with the fact they will have a hard enough time matching most other teams size and speed.KingofCrunk said:
This poster has to be a joke right? Someone tell me this guy is just doing this to get a laugh or a rise.SENATOR said:Bob. When TSN will learn, we have enough fans of Russian hockey in Canada. We are a paying public too. Or you want to go the CBC Don Cherry's crying game plan. Start showing some russian hockey!!! Stop ignoring the big part of Canadian society. Hell with you TSN
go kim johnsson 514 said:
I don't think they're using the 2-ref system in Torino, but there will be 8 NHL referees at the Olympics. That said, they will be enforcing the IIHF rulebook, not the NHL rulebook. Also, in the past two Winter Games, NHL referees had to work games where 50% or more of the players were from the NHL. Not in 2006. It will be a neutral referee working each game. (At least from what I've heard.)
Resolute said:
When are you going to realize that the clowns are not the guys on the ice, but the guys in the boardroom..most notably Rene Fasel?
canucksfan said:
Considering how the calls tightened up after Canada's game against Finland, I get the feeling that the referee didn't get a good evaluation after that game. It's almost as if Fasel is giving the zebras a penalty quota to meet...and when your future calling international games depends on it, you're going to do what you're told.
The IIHF is instructing these officials to call their games as tight as they possibly can. Instead of letting anything borderline go, they're told to call it, thus we see penalties on what should be simple bodychecks. If the IIHF supervisors were to tell the referee from CAN-NOR to loosen up, he would. Unfortunately, the IIHF is highly unlikely to do that.
I'm not stepping up for the referees based on the on-ice product. I'm stepping up for the referees in the sense that they are doing a job, and just like you and me, they have a boss. If you don't do what your boss says, you're going to get the worst assignments, if not canned.
Put yourself in the referees' shoes. Rene Fasel calls a meeting and tells you to call the tightest games you have ever called, or else. What would you do?
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I've only seen the American games on Center Ice, and the officiating was pretty poor in those games, so I can only imagine how bad the Canadian game last night was. Italy's going to have the worst time in the Olympics, and their fans are going to take it the worst when they're getting called for penalties, so it's not going to come across really well on TV. I'm much more worried about fan reception, because those are the guys that bring the money to the game. I don't think that the problem in this tournament is the referees, but rather the fault of the rulemakers. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.SwisshockeyAcademy said:
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SENATOR said:Bob. When TSN will learn, we have enough fans of Russian hockey in Canada. We are a paying public too. Or you want to go the CBC Don Cherry's crying game plan. Start showing some russian hockey!!! Stop ignoring the big part of Canadian society. Hell with you TSN
Russians make up "the big part of Canadian society?????"
When the TSN guys talk, just mute them. Put a big sticker on mcguires face and mute his comments. They're not worth listening to.
That is why I do not know whether he is on here being serious or just joking around.Henne said:
We should be thankful we have the guys we have trying to call this tourney. Can you imagine Glenn Healy doing the games? We'd be better off with Dennis Miller. Its not easy for Gord and Pierre and I am a fan of both. I would like to see them make their very best effort to leave the officiating alone as best they can the rest of the way and let Nicholson and others handle it.Hart_House_Ca said:
For Bob McKenzie- Bob do you know if the referee in chief is entertaining any of the team reps as far as what is a penalty and what is not? It is my understanding that in these tourneys you will not be able to sway the way these officials will do their job so we may just have to accept that it will be called like this the rest of the way. Once the tourney ends then it will be open for discussion and you can bet it will be the hot topic. No amount of Gord and Pierre drawing attention to it will change it so it would be best if they do what they can to not mention it anymore. That is my own opinion and not the opinion of any other members of the Swiss Hockey Academy
I don't know why some people don't get it, I'm sure Pierre and Gord would talk about anything other than officiating if there was anything else to talk about, the officials are making this tourney theirs and it is disrupting the flow of the game so much that if Pierre and Gord didn't talk about the officiating there would basically be dead air because the refs aren't letting the players play.
You're joking...right?
Now I'm REALLY confused. Tonight's USA Sui game was officiated extremely well, and it made for a great hockey game. I didn't catch the ref's name before the game, but whoever it was did a much better job and called WAY less. Then the Finland Norway game we get Frank whatever his name is the German that did the awful Can Sui game, and he call a pretty loose (and good) game too! Did the IIHF change their minds and scrap their ridiculous plan and tell the refs to do the high quality job that they are capable of?
Whatever it is, I desperately hope it continues because it was a whole lot more pleasant to watch, and imo, the USA Sui game was the best of the tournament so far.
Whatever it is, I desperately hope it continues because it was a whole lot more pleasant to watch, and imo, the USA Sui game was the best of the tournament so far.
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Greg7 said:
I guess 44 penalty minutes in US-Swi is very compatible with 42 penalty minutes in the Can-Swi game, but perhaps the difference is you were not listening to the whining TSN? That is my point, if that wasn't for the whining I would have enjoyed the games instead I had to listen to P. Mcguire's whining.
I haven't watched a single game on TSN this tournament, I've been at every one (and the atrocious refereeing was ABSOLUTELY the story, and I haven't seen a single thing on TSN). The real difference was that the penalties were all REAL penalties. I'm surprised at the high number of penalty minutes; I would have thought it was lower than that, although keep in mind at least 10 of those are from a misconduct to a Swedish player that automatically goes with a checking from behind minor. The remaining 34 minutes, or 17 minor penalties, is not particularly excessive. The real point here, though, is that regardless of the number of penalties handed out, the ref called what the game demanded be called, not phantom penalties that no one else in the world would have guessed was a penalty. The difference was evident purely by fan reaction - there was basically no booing at all tonight, and it almost felt like people were going to cheer the ref when he came out after the intermissions just because we were used to such crap.Siberian said:
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Siberian said:
While I agree he is biased and a whinner...he has a legitimate gripe with the horrible reffing...And not just on Canada but other teams as well.
A thanks to TSN for picking up some extra Sens games which coincides with my visit to the Toronto area.
I would have missed these games otherwise.
Any chance TSN will ever have a Cuthbert/ McGuire tandem ? Miller is decent, but Cuthbert is probably the best play by play guy right now.
Also, Dave Reid (from last night's Sens-Isles game) is a good colour commentator, far better than Healy (easily the worst national colour commentator).
Even though he's somewhat of a caffiened out whacko and says crazy things a lot, I like McGuire's entertaining ways.
I would have missed these games otherwise.
Any chance TSN will ever have a Cuthbert/ McGuire tandem ? Miller is decent, but Cuthbert is probably the best play by play guy right now.
Also, Dave Reid (from last night's Sens-Isles game) is a good colour commentator, far better than Healy (easily the worst national colour commentator).
Even though he's somewhat of a caffiened out whacko and says crazy things a lot, I like McGuire's entertaining ways.
Siberian said:
Listen, I will say this politely and respectfully, but if you're going to come on here and use facts to back up your opinions, you better get your facts straight. There were 44 minutes in penalties assessed in the U.S.-Switzerland game last night. There were 160 penalty minutes assessed in the Canada-Norway game the night before.
As I have said on these boards before, you're entitled to any opinion you like and if I thought my posting here would curtail the expressing of opinions, I wouldn't do it. So you, sir, are free to think whatever you like. You can say Pierre is a whiner, you can say whatever you like about Gord or myself, you can say that TSN should be the The Siberian Network, I have no problem with any of that, but if you're going to come on here and mis-state facts to enhance your opinion, sorry, but I'm calling you on it.
I don't think anyone on here being truthful realy thinks the officiating could in any way be classified as good at this tournament yet and the numbers and reactions from Teams management and people watching the games concur.I have'nt been able to see the U.S-Swiss game yet but i heard it was an improvement.Hopefully it will only continue to get better especially for tonights big game which i am sure looking forward to.I like to think the reactyion from the press and fans is putting some professional pressure on the refs to be at their best,they do have time to get a better balance here yet and we havbe to hope they do so.
Looking forward to a dandy tonight.Good luck to both teams,But you know who i'm rooting for.
Looking forward to a dandy tonight.Good luck to both teams,But you know who i'm rooting for.
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