TSN made the game unwatchable

[CBass]

Hey Pierre, give a shout out to small town Saskatchewan.

The rest of you guys need to step back from your keyboards for awhile and take a second or two to appreciate the fact that TSN offers coverage for this tournament.

The majority of the time I have been in agreement with MacQuire in his assessment of the officials calls. I also don't think it is constant whining of officials, if he were talking about the same penalty over and over again then sure. But it's not ... when a bad call is made on either side he commented on it ... can you fault him that there were dozens of phantom calls in a game?

The flow to some of these games has been atrocious, and the players have no clue what they are allowed to do.



PS. TSN should increase their broadcast coverage of this tournament. I can't speak for 5 million people, but I for one would definately tune into every single game they broadcast at this tournament.

 

[Rather Gingerly 1*]

Didn't watch the game but caught the highlights this morning.

How did Chipchura score into an empty net?

 

[BobMckenzie]

Canada-Switzerland was the game when all the whining started. The ref handed out 42 penalty minutes so stop lying about me not using the facts straight. It is you who are not using the facts straight because if you talk about Can-Norway game and 160 penalty minutes handed out there then you should also mention that about 100 minutes were given for the fight that broke out with seconds left and the fight was caused by undisciplinary behavior of canadian players.

And the comment about The Siberian Network is just childish.

Honestly, I wasn't saying anything disparaging when I used The Siberian Network line, just a glib way to reflect your view that more Russian games should be shown on TSN. If you took offence on that, that wasn't my intention. Sorry about that.

Also, it was my mistake on the referencing of games. I thought you were talking about Canada-Norway when you correctly point out you were talking about Canada-Switzerland. My bad on that. Next time I'll be sure to get my facts straight.

On a lot of the other stuff, I think we can agree to disagree, but that's fine. Makes the world a more interesting place.

Happy New Year.

 

[Macman]

Didn't watch the game but caught the highlights this morning.

How did Chipchura score into an empty net?

The U.S., because of their tie against the Swiss, needed to beat Canada to finish first in the pool so they pulled their goalie.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Hey Pierre, give a shout out to small town Saskatchewan.

The rest of you guys need to step back from your keyboards for awhile and take a second or two to appreciate the fact that TSN offers coverage for this tournament.

The majority of the time I have been in agreement with MacQuire in his assessment of the officials calls. I also don't think it is constant whining of officials, if he were talking about the same penalty over and over again then sure. But it's not ... when a bad call is made on either side he commented on it ... can you fault him that there were dozens of phantom calls in a game?

The flow to some of these games has been atrocious, and the players have no clue what they are allowed to do.



PS. TSN should increase their broadcast coverage of this tournament. I can't speak for 5 million people, but I for one would definately tune into every single game they broadcast at this tournament.

I agree with the PS. I would watch absolutely every game they would air, no matter the time of day or who was playing. PVR's are good for that.

 

[Mike Krushelnyski]

First of all you are not my buddy.
Second would be if your team starts a 5 on 5 fight because of an opposing player running your goalie then it is undisciplined behavior. I am quite surprised that IIHF is turning blind eye on this fight. I understand that the tourney is held in Canada but everything has its limits.

Third the last comments in this thread I made was a comparison of the games Canada-Switzerland and USA-Switzerland. Apparentely the US game was very good according to a poster and then I made a comment that that game actually had more penalty minutes than Canada-Switzerland game where Mcguire whined non-stop and made the game unwatchable.

First of all, as someone already mentioned, "buddy" wasn't meant literally... it was a more polite euphemism then some of the other choice terms I could have used.

As for your second point, when have you *ever* seen a game where an opposing team ran the others goalie and it didn't result in a scrum - international play or not.

I didn't realize that sticking up for ones teammate was considered "undisciplined" and I doubt that you'd be able to find a coach or player anywhere around the world that would agree with your skewed perspective.

And exactly how is it "absolutely [the] right thing" that Jack Johnson headhunts Downie and doesn't get a suspension and that you're "quite surprised that IIHF is turning blind eye on [the] fight" when clearly it was the Norwegian player that instigated the situation?

Kettle... Pot... Pot... Kettle.

Your biases are clearly starting to show.

 

[Transported Upstater]

Honestly, I wasn't saying anything disparaging when I used The Siberian Network line, just a glib way to reflect your view that more Russian games should be shown on TSN. If you took offence on that, that wasn't my intention. Sorry about that.

Also, it was my mistake on the referencing of games. I thought you were talking about Canada-Norway when you correctly point out you were talking about Canada-Switzerland. My bad on that. Next time I'll be sure to get my facts straight.

On a lot of the other stuff, I think we can agree to disagree, but that's fine. Makes the world a more interesting place.

Happy New Year.

Bob, don't waste your time with his posts.

 

[Metallian*]

The job TSN did on the last couple of Canada's games is absolutely terrible. Hard fought games against tough gritty opponents became unwatchable with the amount of whining that has been on. Non-stop whining by P. Mcguire absolutely ruined the experience of watching these games.

THE OFFICIATING HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS! JUST BECAUSE HE WAS HOLDING THE PLAYERS STICK DOESNT MEAN HE SHOULD GET THIS "HOLDING THE STICK" PENALTY. LET THEM PLAY!

I thought i was the only one who was annoyed by Mcguires baseless bickering until got on this forum. The guy has no clue what he's talking about more than half the time and it seems he always has to raise his voice to prove his "point". Every tournament the man finds some topic to focus on (I think the WC was "Maltby's vast amount of international experience"). I can't stand him.

 

[Metallian*]

The paying customers, who weren't watching or listening to TSN, will tell you that the officiating in this tournament is ruining it for them.

Was it really the officiating that ruined it for them? Or the undisciplined style of play that lead to the onslaugh of infractions?

It's a matter of perspective, and in my opinion many of the calls viewed as "horrible" by Mcguire were nothing more than the result of 18 year old's playing a frustrated game.

The IIHF is attempting to implement a radically new officiating system (zero tolerance) for the very first time in this tournament and the results are predictable.

The officiating has been no different than that of the officiating in the NHL. The only difference is that NHL players have become accustomed to it, and are gradually lessening their foolish infractions. These kids are not used to playing hockey by the rule books, and this is looking an awful lot like the first week of NHL play (when the entire game was dominated by special teams).

 

[Siberian]

It's funny but some people here think that in order not to disrupt the flow of the game the officials should call limited to a certain number of PP's. I really do not get that, but apparentely for these fans it is not important what players do on the ice. I am sorry, but it is simply moronic. If a team constantly playes dirty it should be penalized as many times as the foul play is done. I am not saying there were no bad calls - there were, but TSN had an agenda to help team Canada to be able to do the little things that will go unpunished and they achieved it. In the game against USA nothing was called and the game itself looked like pre-new NHL game with all the clutch and grab, little dirty taps and hooks or in other words - boring.

 

[Metallian*]

It's funny but some people here think that in order not to disrupt the flow of the game the officials should call limited to a certain number of PP's. I really do not get that, but apparentely for these fans it is not important what players do on the ice. I am sorry, but it is simply moronic. If a team constantly playes dirty it should be penalized as many times as the foul play is done. I am not saying there were no bad calls - there were, but TSN had an agenda to help team Canada to be able to do the little things that will go unpunished and they achieved it. In the game against USA nothing was called and the game itself looked like pre-new NHL game with all the clutch and grab, little dirty taps and hooks or in other words - boring.

I agree.

Players need to be accounatable for their ill-timed and often unintended mistakes. The fact is, they are recieving these penalties for a reason. They are breaking rules and there are consequences for it. The saying "You do the crime, you do the time" couldn't be any more relevant in this case.

There are two sides to every story, and the polar opposite and equally relevant stand is that the players are the ones taking the penalties, and the blame lies therein, and not with the one's just doing their jobs and calling it as they see it.

Do we really want to continue to hold meetings with these officials, to get them to turn a blind-eye a few times a game to "let them play"? If we do this, will this just decrease the the amount of called infractions to a stolid pace? Will this officiating of the officials render them ultimately useless when it counts?

This reminds me of a situation where a parent thinks their child can do no wrong, in spite of the facts. When a child acts out, is it their fault or the parent's? When a player acts out, is is their fault or the referee's? Sometimes....it's a little bit of both, but remember, you don't repremand a parent: you repremand a child.

 

[BCCHL inactive]

The officiating has been no different than that of the officiating in the NHL. The only difference is that NHL players have become accustomed to it, and are gradually lessening their foolish infractions. These kids are not used to playing hockey by the rule books, and this is looking an awful lot like the first week of NHL play (when the entire game was dominated by special teams).

The first few days of this tournament was much worse than the first few weeks in the NHL.

The NHL has a training camp for its officials every season, where they were able to discuss at great length the new standard they were using. Also, the NHL released a video and educated players and fans on what is and is not, in general, going to be a penalty. The NHL actually had a plan, and put it into action.

The IIHF simply announced a crackdown and told its referees to call games as tight as they possibly could. They had no groundwork layed out and zero player education and nothing for the fans either. The IIHF basically scared the bejezus out of its referees to call as many penalties as possible. The results were disgusting to watch. Regulars here will tell you that I am the most biased for the officials, and even I found the officiating horrible early on this week, and it was totally the IIHF's fault. They didn't just call the hooking and holding, they were calling simple bodychecks as Charging, Roughing, etc, when the calls were not warranted. The only reason the IIHF announced this tighter standard is because Rene Fasel has an unhealthy obsession with the NHL.

If you guys think the Canada-USA game was boring, you didn't watch it, or you have your own agenda against Canada. That game was fast-paced, hard hitting and full of emotion. It was a pleasure to watch.

 

[Macman]

If you guys think the Canada-USA game was boring, you didn't watch it, or you have your own agenda against Canada. That game was fast-paced, hard hitting and full of emotion. It was a pleasure to watch.

Exactly right. These two have an agenda and we know what it is. I can't believe anyone who actually watched the Canada-Norway game still has the balls/stupidity to say the officiating was good. Even the IIHF says it wasn't.

For the one millionth time, nobody is complaining about stick calls or obstruction. It's the invisible calls and the routine hits called as penalties that are the problem. If phantom calls and watching a penalty a minute is your idea of good hockey, then I hope you taped that game cuz it sure ain't coming out on DVD. Enjoy.

 

[Metallian*]

If you guys think the Canada-USA game was boring, you didn't watch it, or you have your own agenda against Canada. That game was fast-paced, hard hitting and full of emotion. It was a pleasure to watch.

I found the Canada-USA game as boring as it gets. I watched TBS' "Worlds Funniest Commercials 2005" for the first hour of the game. It was seriously bad.

I prefered the Canada-Norway and Canada-Swiss games over the USA matchup BY FAR.

 

[canucksfan]

I found the Canada-USA game as boring as it gets. I watched TBS' "Worlds Funniest Commercials 2005" for the first hour of the game. It was seriously bad.

I prefered the Canada-Norway and Canada-Swiss games over the USA matchup BY FAR.

Are you serious? You have to be joking.

 

[Siberian]

Most of the canadians will say how great the game was simply because it gave them the result they wanted. In case with the games against swiss and Norway it did not give the result they wanted because Canada barely overcame Switzerland and did not blow Norway as US did. The game was ugly, really, clutch and grab, I thought Can-Swi was surely aa more entertaining game. Canada-Norway was spoiled by the last minute fight and of course by extensive whining of Pierre

 

[El_Scoobo]

Most of the canadians will say how great the game was simply because it gave them the result they wanted. In case with the games against swiss and Norway it did not give the result they wanted because Canada barely overcame Switzerland and did not blow Norway as US did. The game was ugly, really, clutch and grab, I thought Can-Swi was surely aa more entertaining game. Canada-Norway was spoiled by the last minute fight and of course by extensive whining of Pierre

Wow!!! I watched all 3 of the games and I pretty much have the exact opposite viewpoint that you do sir. The Swiss game was pretty decent, I'll admit. I changed channels to watch old Seinfeld reruns and Wheel of Fortune during the Norway game. That game was just plain old boring, just like watching a Calgary-Minnesota game circa 2004.

The Canada-U.S. game had drama because either team could've won. There was strong end to end play, good hitting both ways. I'm sure if you check game time, it must've been a shorter game than the Norway one. I felt it was a good game. Even if Canada had lost, I'd still say it was a better game to watch as a fan.

 

[Metallian*]

Most of the canadians will say how great the game was simply because it gave them the result they wanted. In case with the games against swiss and Norway it did not give the result they wanted because Canada barely overcame Switzerland and did not blow Norway as US did. The game was ugly, really, clutch and grab, I thought Can-Swi was surely aa more entertaining game. Canada-Norway was spoiled by the last minute fight and of course by extensive whining of Pierre

I agree 100%

I liked the Can/Swiss game as it was really tight all the way through and kept me on the edge of my seat.

Norway was good in the sense that it was so lobsided that it was fun to watch the Canadians rush and the Norwegian goalie Hougan stand on his head the whole game.

The Can/US game was just flat all the way through. I was more interested in my New Years Chinese food than the game.
I mean Pogge getting player of the game for Canada with 20 someodd shots (2 goals against) is just pathetic. That's not an outstanding player, thats admitting there were no other standouts in an otherwise boring game.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

I agree 100%

I liked the Can/Swiss game as it was really tight all the way through and kept me on the edge of my seat.

Norway was good in the sense that it was so lobsided that it was fun to watch the Canadians rush and the Norwegian goalie Hougan stand on his head the whole game.

The Can/US game was just flat all the way through. I was more interested in my New Years Chinese food than the game.
I mean Pogge getting player of the game for Canada with 20 someodd shots (2 goals against) is just pathetic. That's not an outstanding player, thats admitting there were no other standouts in an otherwise boring game.

The Norway /Canada game was good and the US/Canada game was not? Whatever credibility you were attempting to establish has just taken a major hit. Typing 100% agree in regards to any post Siberian makes makes me think you are living in the same house or are the same person. I was enjoying your points until you called the Norway/Canada game a decent game. That was brutal hockey- nevermind what the refs did.

 

[Siberian]

The Norway /Canada game was good and the US/Canada game was not? Whatever credibility you were attempting to establish has just taken a major hit. Typing 100% agree in regards to any post Siberian makes makes me think you are living in the same house or are the same person. I was enjoying your points until you called the Norway/Canada game a decent game. That was brutal hockey- nevermind what the refs did.

Talking about credibility - there is none for you at all since you claim that this person and I are the same people. I have no idea who this guy is, yesterday was the first time I had seen his/her posts. US-Canada game looked like it belong to NHL 2 seasons ago - not very exciting. There is a reason you claim it was good - because you are a canadian fan even having Swiss avatar under your nick.

 

[Metallian*]

The Norway /Canada game was good and the US/Canada game was not? Whatever credibility you were attempting to establish has just taken a major hit. Typing 100% agree in regards to any post Siberian makes makes me think you are living in the same house or are the same person. I was enjoying your points until you called the Norway/Canada game a decent game. That was brutal hockey- nevermind what the refs did.

I never said the Can/Nor game was GOOD, just that I enjoyed watching it far more than the USA game. The Norway game was horrible but atleast it had the goaltending aspect to keep it interesting and root for the underdog, the USA game was just flat all the way through past the opening 15 mins; just a brutal game that was boring up till Downie got one right in the kisser.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Talking about credibility - there is none for you at all since you claim that this person and I are the same people. I have no idea who this guy is, yesterday was the first time I had seen his/her posts. US-Canada game looked like it belong to NHL 2 seasons ago - not very exciting. There is a reason you claim it was good - because you are a canadian fan even having Swiss avatar under your nick.

I am a hockey fan first, a fan of well played hockey no matter who is playing it. Yes I am Canadian, yes I cheer for them first but I do not watch hockey with blinders on. I'm not calling the US/Can game the greatest game ever- it was far from that. I take exception to Norway/Canada being called anything other than atrocious. That you two can call it better than the US/Can game calls into question your credibility here. I am not going to win poster of the year but my credibility is still somewhat intact.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

I never said the Can/Nor game was GOOD, just that I enjoyed watching it far more than the USA game. The Norway game was horrible but atleast it had the goaltending aspect to keep it interesting and root for the underdog, the USA game was just flat all the way through past the opening 15 mins; just a brutal game that was boring up till Downie got one right in the kisser.

Well I guess its hard for me to question what you call good, perhaps you like different things about the game than i do.

 

[Siberian]

I am a hockey fan first, a fan of well played hockey no matter who is playing it. Yes I am Canadian, yes I cheer for them first but I do not watch hockey with blinders on. I'm not calling the US/Can game the greatest game ever- it was far from that. I take exception to Norway/Canada being called anything other than atrocious. That you two can call it better than the US/Can game calls into question your credibility here. I am not going to win poster of the year but my credibility is still somewhat intact.

Your credibility does not go further than your fellow biased canadian hockey fans. The only reason you enjoyed he game is because Canada won. If this was a different result you would have been singing a different tune. There was nothing good about that specific hockey game because it was flat out dirty. Boarding, hacking, clutching and grabbing, slowing down the game, I can't believe some people actually saw any flow in this game - there was none.

 

[PecaFan]

The rest of you guys need to step back from your keyboards for awhile and take a second or two to appreciate the fact that TSN offers coverage for this tournament.

Now, let's not kid ourselves here. There is *one* reason why TSN is showing these games, and it's not because they are being magnanimous. They do it because it makes them money. Period.

Now, us diehards would watch more games. Would enough watch to make it worth their while? I imagine they've done the research on that, and the answer would have been no.