Proposal: Trying my best for checking trade possibilities for Oilers.

[McJedi]

Edmonton would be a lot more willing to give up a 1st rounder than a guy that's close to helping at the NHL level and figuring out the AHL in a hurry like Bourgault. It's not the 60's anymore, Montreal doesn't get dibs on every Francophone player in the league.

We need a good defenceman. That's not Edmundson. He's getting 60% o-zone starts and still getting his head kicked in. Bourgault would only go for someone like Chychrun.

Going to cost quite a bit more than Bourgault to land Chychrun.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Edmunston and Armia ( we can add Norllinder)
for
Bouchard and Puuljarvi
Edmonton might have to add a dump to balance the cap

That's absolutely horrible for Edmonton. If Bouchard is available (he isn't), then it would need to bring back a lot more than Edmundson and a negative cap hit.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Edmundson for Bourgault and Puljujarvi seems plausible to me.

Bourgault is the kind of kid Habs GM has said he wants to acquire, Edmundson is the kind of D you need, Puljujarvi could be a reclamation project and has to be included so cap works. (Foegle could be subbed if needed)

Adding a couple of fourths might make retention a possibility to give EDM a little cap room for other moves.

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Anderson would be the forward option, but I'm not seeing a fit for EDM there.

I disagree with the valuation of Edmundson.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Requests:
Middle 6 winger, top 4 Defensive Dman.

Gavrikov and Nyquist, with Nyquist being retained at 50%

A
Dylan Holloway
Xavier Borgenault
1st 2023
1st 2024
Evan Bouchard

B
Jesse Puljujärvi
Kailer Yamamoto
Warren Fogele
Tyson Barrie
Derek Ryan

So, a D man and a winger for a A + B piece.
And no! A 1 st 2023+ something for a 3rd liner RW, or "a perfect 3rd pair D" is not on board.

So, in other words:

EDM gets:
- Gavrikov (extended)
- Nyquist (retained 50%)
- 2023 2nd (roughly 36th overall) conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets
- Holloway
- Puljujarvi
- 2023 1st conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets the center they need, a change-of-scenery winger and moves their second pick up by ~10ish spots.

Edmonton gets the best LHD on the market with an extension, a smart, all-situations veteran winger and moves back a little bit in the draft instead of getting rid of their pick entirely. Neither pick gets moved if EDM is in the lottery.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Can Evan Bouchard play the left side ?

No. He probably isn't available either, despite being included in this thread. Unless it is for a superstar.

 

[SwedishFire]

Edmundson for Bourgault and Puljujarvi seems plausible to me.

Bourgault is the kind of kid Habs GM has said he wants to acquire, Edmundson is the kind of D you need, Puljujarvi could be a reclamation project and has to be included so cap works. (Foegle could be subbed if needed)

Adding a couple of fourths might make retention a possibility to give EDM a little cap room for other moves.

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Anderson would be the forward option, but I'm not seeing a fit for EDM there.

When I read about "getting his act together" and such, it does soubds like Montreal wants to get rid of him.
I mind you,
When it comes to trades, a good rule of thumb is " If I get a player I want, I have to offer a player I dont want to go"
If the other team feel hurt, they miss the player, hou will also feel you are giving up a player it hurts to lose.

Those robbing trades tries isnt a nice behavour. There is just one Yzerman and one Sakic and thats why they are superstar GMs.

Gavrikov and Nyquist, with Nyquist being retained at 50%

So, in other words:

EDM gets:
- Gavrikov (extended)
- Nyquist (retained 50%)
- 2023 2nd (roughly 36th overall) conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets
- Holloway
- Puljujarvi
- 2023 1st conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets the center they need, a change-of-scenery winger and moves their second pick up by ~10ish spots.

Edmonton gets the best LHD on the market with an extension, a smart, all-situations veteran winger and moves back a little bit in the draft instead of getting rid of their pick entirely. Neither pick gets moved if EDM is in the lottery.

Well, it was one of the best so far, thinking of evening it out, teams often swap picks to even things out, without missing a draftround. Very good work. I have to do some research before answering.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Gavrikov and Nyquist, with Nyquist being retained at 50%

So, in other words:

EDM gets:
- Gavrikov (extended)
- Nyquist (retained 50%)
- 2023 2nd (roughly 36th overall) conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets
- Holloway
- Puljujarvi
- 2023 1st conditional on EDM making playoffs

CBJ gets the center they need, a change-of-scenery winger and moves their second pick up by ~10ish spots.

Edmonton gets the best LHD on the market with an extension, a smart, all-situations veteran winger and moves back a little bit in the draft instead of getting rid of their pick entirely. Neither pick gets moved if EDM is in the lottery.

This might be interesting. I'd say take the picks out, but we're probably close. Might have to retain on Gavrikov too to make the cap work, as sad as that sounds. Not on the extension obviously, just on the remainder of this year's deal.

How is Nyquist doing nowadays? Are the wheels falling off? Mostly just curious, I'm pretty sure Holland would still take him even if he is falling apart.

Holloway hasn't played C at the NHL level yet, just so you know.

 

[SwedishFire]

Provorov (D) and Farabee (W) from Philadelphia may fit your bill, give or take?

Well, I know Provorov, but doesnt know to much about Farabee, who is he? How does he play?

 

[Srsly]

Do the Oilers need another winger with Kane returning soon? I thought they were fine as far as scoring forwards were concerned.

Defense wise, I feel like Shattenkirk would be an interesting target heading into the playoffs. He’s not what he used to be but offers leadership and an interesting skill set.

 

[SwedishFire]

This might be interesting. I'd say take the picks out, but we're probably close. Might have to retain on Gavrikov too to make the cap work, as sad as that sounds. Not on the extension obviously, just on the remainder of this year's deal.

How is Nyquist doing nowadays? Are the wheels falling off? Mostly just curious, I'm pretty sure Holland would still take him even if he is falling apart.

Holloway hasn't played C at the NHL level yet, just so you know.

If you want extra retaining from CBus, you probably cant take the picks out... it looks very colored by your fandom.

Do the Oilers need another winger with Kane returning soon? I thought they were fine as far as scoring forwards were concerned.

Defense wise, I feel like Shattenkirk would be an interesting target heading into the playoffs. He’s not what he used to be but offers leadership and an interesting skill set.

No, Oilers are drowning in offensive good players - suspect defensivly. Shattenkrik is a very bad fit here. Sorry

 

[McSuper]

Edmundson for Bourgault and Puljujarvi seems plausible to me.

Bourgault is the kind of kid Habs GM has said he wants to acquire, Edmundson is the kind of D you need, Puljujarvi could be a reclamation project and has to be included so cap works. (Foegle could be subbed if needed)

Adding a couple of fourths might make retention a possibility to give EDM a little cap room for other moves.

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Anderson would be the forward option, but I'm not seeing a fit for EDM there.

Do not want. Worse D in the NHL when you look at the advance stats.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Do the Oilers need another winger with Kane returning soon? I thought they were fine as far as scoring forwards were concerned.

Defense wise, I feel like Shattenkirk would be an interesting target heading into the playoffs. He’s not what he used to be but offers leadership and an interesting skill set.

Feel like they’d be more interested in kulikov + Henrique/silf/vatrano

 

[ManofSteel55]

If you want extra retaining from CBus, you probably cant take the picks out... it looks very colored by your fandom.


No, Oilers are drowning in offensive good players - suspect defensivly. Shattenkrik is a very bad fit here. Sorry

You might be right. I also think that Holloway has a lot of value to this deal though, and retaining on the rest of Gavrikov's deal (this year only) wouldn't be incredibly expensive. Certainly not the cost of moving a 1st to a 2nd.

 

[Srsly]

If you want extra retaining from CBus, you probably cant take the picks out... it looks very colored by your fandom.


No, Oilers are drowning in offensive good players - suspect defensivly. Shattenkrik is a very bad fit here. Sorry

He’s actually more of a two way defensemen these days. He’s third on the ducks in terms of +/- and plays a pretty balanced game.

 

[SwedishFire]

Feel like they’d be more interested in kulikov + Henrique/silf/vatrano

Kulikov already tried out here, I think playoffs 2020. They let him walk, didnt work out.

He’s actually more of a two way defensemen these days. He’s third on the ducks in terms of +/- and plays a pretty balanced game.

When Ducks are so awful as they are, I dont know the value of being 3rd best on the team... thats like 18th least worst in other words..

 

[cbjthrowaway]

This might be interesting. I'd say take the picks out, but we're probably close. Might have to retain on Gavrikov too to make the cap work, as sad as that sounds. Not on the extension obviously, just on the remainder of this year's deal.

Jackets could do that but I think they'd prefer to hold onto one of their retention slots to be a third party in a double-retention deal. We have about $18m of potential LTIR space this year with Werenski/Voracek out.

How is Nyquist doing nowadays? Are the wheels falling off? Mostly just curious, I'm pretty sure Holland would still take him even if he is falling apart.

For what he is (veteran second line winger) he's awesome. Super reliable 50 point guy, kills penalties, can play bumper or either half-wall on the power play, etc.

He missed the whole COVID-shortened year rehabbing an injury he sustained in the playoff bubble (iirc), had some rust when he came back but ended up putting up 53 points last year anyway.

Dude's been great for us this year. Really smart player, works super well with Gaudreau so I think he'd be a great fit with Drai.

Holloway hasn't played C at the NHL level yet, just so you know.

Not an issue – they're easing Kent Johnson into it right now as well. Between those two guys, plus Sillinger and a potential 2023 lotto pick, the goal is to find two good NHL centers and fill the other two spots with Jenner/Kuraly. Not an issue if we have to move one of those guys to wing, even with the depth we have there. Makes it easier to part with someone like Marchenko in a trade for a veteran center if it comes to that.

 

[SwedishFire]

Jackets could do that but I think they'd prefer to hold onto one of their retention slots to be a third party in a double-retention deal. We have about $18m of potential LTIR space this year with Werenski/Voracek out.

For what he is (veteran second line winger) he's awesome. Super reliable 50 point guy, kills penalties, can play bumper or either half-wall on the power play, etc.

He missed the whole COVID-shortened year rehabbing an injury he sustained in the playoff bubble (iirc), had some rust when he came back but ended up putting up 53 points last year anyway.

Dude's been great for us this year. Really smart player, works super well with Gaudreau so I think he'd be a great fit with Drai.


Not an issue – they're easing Kent Johnson into it right now as well. Between those two guys, plus Sillinger and a potential 2023 lotto pick, the goal is to find two good NHL centers and fill the other two spots with Jenner/Kuraly. Not an issue if we have to move one of those guys to wing, even with the depth we have there. Makes it easier to part with someone like Marchenko in a trade for a veteran center if it comes to that.

Id say I like the deal. But what does Holland and Jarmo say...? I think Holland hates to deal Holloway, and thats putting a halt to it, while Jarmo sees Puljujärvi as a papertransaction rather than a player, but probably would do the deal cause Holloway.

Kane Draisaitl Nyqvist would be a nice 2nd line.

More important, Gavrikov is the key for us here.
A pair of Gavrikov Bouchardor Broberg really lift the whole team.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I assumed you wanted to keep 2023 picks since it's a good draft.

And if you won't pony up assets to get a guy like Edmundson, I guess you're cool missing out on the McDrai window.

Joel Edmundson is not the difference between winning a Cup and not. You're acting like everyone wants him, but it's mostly just Habs fans trying to cram him down someone else's throat. He's not good anymore and made of toothpicks.

Going to cost quite a bit more than Bourgault to land Chychrun.

I'd rather give up Bourgault+++ for Chychrun than Bourgault + for the half-reanimated shambling corpse of Edmundson.

 

[KingTech]

No. He probably isn't available either, despite being included in this thread. Unless it is for a superstar.

Fair enough If the kings didnt have so many right handed d he would be just what the kings need but hes not so all good

 

[HockeyVirus]

Edmonton needs a #1 dman and at least one other top 4 dman (or two top 4 dmen total) to be ok defensively. Personally I think they should go all in with offense because that is how they are winning games and how they won in the playoffs last year.

I think they should add another top 6 winger or two. No team's defense is good enough to stop McDrai putting up 2PPG a piece and Nuge Kane Hyman Top 6 wingers 1 and 2 putting up points on top of that.

 

[pth2]

When I read about "getting his act together" and such, it does soubds like Montreal wants to get rid of him.
I mind you,
When it comes to trades, a good rule of thumb is " If I get a player I want, I have to offer a player I dont want to go"
If the other team feel hurt, they miss the player, hou will also feel you are giving up a player it hurts to lose.

Those robbing trades tries isnt a nice behavour. There is just one Yzerman and one Sakic and thats why they are superstar GMs.

Rebuilding teams are a different story.... we know we will be bad. I know Edmundson will be missed, and likely be replaced over the summer by a journeyman filler who won't be as good. But getting younger players who fit age-wise with our core is worthwhile.
I'm actually asking for less than the best comparables that come to mind - Chiarot and Savard.

 

[TheNumber4]

What are you looking for in that middle six winger ask? Any particular style of player?

Oilers need a player with a shot. A sniper type. If that’s too expensive, I guess someone that’ll fight and can play a bit is also needed.

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Well, I know Provorov, but doesnt know to much about Farabee, who is he? How does he play?

A former first round pick in 2018 (14th OA), he had an injury last year where he required surgery, and is off to a slow start this year, as he may not have been fully recovered yet. However, he has very good upside, having averaged 0.55% points per game prior to this year.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Id say I like the deal. But what does Holland and Jarmo say...? I think Holland hates to deal Holloway, and thats putting a halt to it, while Jarmo sees Puljujärvi as a papertransaction rather than a player, but probably would do the deal cause Holloway.

I think Jarmo would see some value in Puljujarvi. Obviously they passed on him in the draft but they've been connected to him in trade rumors over the last few years.

In a deal like this, Nyquist presents an upgrade for Edmonton given their current needs, while Puljujarvi fits better long-term here than Nyquist would.

Holland probably would hate to deal Holloway, but if that gets an extended Gavrikov it's probably worth it.

The only hang-up is that CBJ could probably get quite a bit for both of those guys separately (hence the pick swap). LAK fans were saying they'd do Kupari + a 1st (top 15 protected) for extended Gavrikov the other day.

I'm putting on my imaginary GM hat here, though, and I like Holloway more than Kupari.

 

[TheNumber4]

Edmundson for Bourgault and Puljujarvi seems plausible to me.

Bourgault is the kind of kid Habs GM has said he wants to acquire, Edmundson is the kind of D you need, Puljujarvi could be a reclamation project and has to be included so cap works. (Foegle could be subbed if needed)

Adding a couple of fourths might make retention a possibility to give EDM a little cap room for other moves.

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Anderson would be the forward option, but I'm not seeing a fit for EDM there.

If we offered Xavier Bourgault (note the French ass name) Habs would have pay us Edmundson+++++ and they just might.