Speculation: Trouba Contract Negotiations not close?

[Flair Hay]

I really wish we knew troubas demands... if he's asking more than the recently signed Barrie and jones, he is out of his mind... basically imo if jets are offering less than 5, they are crazy.... if Trouba is asking over 5.5, he's crazy.... settle at 5.25!!

I really wouldn't doubt if he's trying to demand 6 ish... dream on Trouba

He'll he shouldn't even be getting more than riellys 5 per year, but that was a steal

Agree on everything here

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Why would the leafs give up the cheaper, arguably better player, for a guy who's demands are obviously out of touch? I understand the fwd assets the leafs would dangle wouldn't be a need of the jets, but to ask for Morgan would just be, well.. stupid. Unless there was a plus added.

No way you are adding to Rielly. Come on.

 

[Flair Hay]

If that's the case then the discussions must be going pretty good. As for playing in the WC, that'd be a bad idea if he doesn't have a contract. Look at what happened with Staal.

On the flip side though... what if Trouba looks great at the World Cup? The guy may have a bit of a ways in terms of consistency so far. But he is a gamer and I could see him looking right at home in the increased level of play. Especially with a chip on his shoulder. Big risk, but big reward I think if he proves himself in the tourny. Thats how he can make himself the most money.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The usage issue claimed here is representative of nothing other than the wishful hopes of some.

Trouba's TOI/EV is already second highest on the Jets. His TOI/60 ranks third.

Maurice just last month said their plan for 16/17 is to play him on the #1 pair with Byfulglien. Trouba has said he has no issues with playing on the left side, and the Jets said they plan to use him in the #1 pair.

Where exactly is the usage concern then? Answer: There isn't one.

Yes there is one. Mark Stuart. They will want a guarantee and of course there can't be a guarantee.

 

[thadd]

I think the fact that they're apart on usage should be a big concern to Jets fans because I think that they can understand if Trouba wants a much bigger role next year and doesn't want to be stuck with Stuart.

I'm thinking that the Jets are offering him 8M over 2 years to continue to play smaller minutes and he's asking for 5.75-6.25M per season for 4-5 years to play a much bigger role.

Jets need to squash this now. There are so many players that are late getting into their off-season work-out routine if their negotiations drag on for too long. Jets risk alienating him and then having him come into training camp out of shape. Best to give him what he wants because he's a stud and he should be playing bigger minutes.

 

[howkie]

What is it with Toronto and Trouba? Can you go and bugger Ducks about Lindholm instead.....

 

[belair]

Yes there is one. Mark Stuart. They will want a guarantee and of course there can't be a guarantee.

Wasn't he playing on his off-wing for a part of the year as well?

Maybe the kid wants to play his natural side to solidify his position in the lineup and earn a higher salary.

 

[jetman]

It's kind of obvious they are apart on things. If they weren't he would be signed by now.

This doesn't mean anything. Its completely possible he will be signed or traded tomorrow. Should be no surprise to anyone.

 

[Byron Bitz]

What about Nylander for Trouba? Leafs can afford to give him up because Matthews. Jets get a dynamic center to play with Laine.

 

[Whileee]

Lawless doesn't have a clue, and this isn't new speculation from him. He said the same thing several weeks ago. Of course they are apart in negotiations - that's why they haven't signed a contract yet. Every RFA that hasn't signed yet is apart with the organization on contract terms. Duh.

 

[Whileee]

What is it with Toronto and Trouba? Can you go and bugger Ducks about Lindholm instead.....

Or Buffalo for Risto or Ottawa for Ceci.

 

[lablite47]

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Have to think the last component there, "they're apart on usage" is a big element in this. With Byfuglien and Myers already there on the RH side and making money, taking up PP time, etc., it's not hard to see how Trouba and his agent might be looking at the situation in Winnipeg and come away a bit skeptical of the opportunity for him to really take on the role he wants and is entirely capable of.

He's gonna have a hard time earning the huge payday he's capable of earning, if he's stuck sharing those RH defenceman opportunities with Byfuglien and Myers for the next bunch of years. At best, he ends up playing on his off side at even strength, which is very unusual and likely not very desirable at all for a RH shooter...and he's still splitting PP time.


Other teams, he's probably playing top RH defence minutes, top-PP time...and earning a future contract accordingly. I'm sure Trouba and his agent can see that.

Yup, you can't have your cake and eat it too unfortunately. A trade is the only way out of this and Troubs is the one that will give us a premium. Time for a gutsy move from our seasoned GM. Just a case of economics 101 at this point.

 

[Whileee]

I think the fact that they're apart on usage should be a big concern to Jets fans because I think that they can understand if Trouba wants a much bigger role next year and doesn't want to be stuck with Stuart.

I'm thinking that the Jets are offering him 8M over 2 years to continue to play smaller minutes and he's asking for 5.75-6.25M per season for 4-5 years to play a much bigger role.

Jets need to squash this now. There are so many players that are late getting into their off-season work-out routine if their negotiations drag on for too long. Jets risk alienating him and then having him come into training camp out of shape. Best to give him what he wants because he's a stud and he should be playing bigger minutes.

This speculation about being apart on "usage" is just one of Lawless' theories. He flew this up the flagpole a few weeks ago on local Winnipeg radio, and it sounded completely speculative at the time. I think he's just resurrected his theory without any inside information.

 

[Street Hawk]

I think the fact that they're apart on usage should be a big concern to Jets fans because I think that they can understand if Trouba wants a much bigger role next year and doesn't want to be stuck with Stuart.

I'm thinking that the Jets are offering him 8M over 2 years to continue to play smaller minutes and he's asking for 5.75-6.25M per season for 4-5 years to play a much bigger role.

Jets need to squash this now. There are so many players that are late getting into their off-season work-out routine if their negotiations drag on for too long. Jets risk alienating him and then having him come into training camp out of shape. Best to give him what he wants because he's a stud and he should be playing bigger minutes.

With the likes of Jones, Reilly, vatanen, etc. All signing long term deals worth less than the $5.75 aav of Hamilton, would seem to suggest that trouba isn't likely to get above $5.5 million.

Main difference with Hamilton was that we was traded for so the flames are adding him to their roster whereas the others are just re-signing with their current t club.

Sounds like the trouba camp doesn't want to sign for less than the role that they think the jets will play him at over the duration of the contract.

He is an NHL dman. Question is where does he stack up on the jets backend with big buff, Myers, Stuart, enstrom and company.

 

[Hunter368]

What about Nylander for Trouba? Leafs can afford to give him up because Matthews. Jets get a dynamic center to play with Laine.

Nylander would be well down on the Jets wish list if Trouba was ever traded to one of the other 29 NHL teams. No real interest or need for Nylander, he fills zero needs from the team's POV.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Read my post again, I said if it wasn't one of those deals we could find better. Read it again

Such as?

The usage issue claimed here is representative of nothing other than the wishful hopes of some.

Trouba's TOI/EV is already second highest on the Jets. His TOI/60 ranks third.

Maurice just last month said their plan for 16/17 is to play him on the #1 pair with Byfulglien. Trouba has said he has no issues with playing on the left side, and the Jets said they plan to use him in the #1 pair.

Where exactly is the usage concern then? Answer: There isn't one.

Maybe in terms of a lack of PP time where a lot of guys rack up points to bolster their perceived worth?

On the flip side though... what if Trouba looks great at the World Cup? The guy may have a bit of a ways in terms of consistency so far. But he is a gamer and I could see him looking right at home in the increased level of play. Especially with a chip on his shoulder. Big risk, but big reward I think if he proves himself in the tourny. Thats how he can make himself the most money.

Will one tournament really make that much of a difference especially if it's played on the bigger international ice surface (I'm assuming that it will be)?

 

[Hunter368]

Such as?

If the Oilers didn't offer one of those three deals (that I listed), IE something like Eberle or Davidson or Nurse or Reinhart or picks......there would multi teams who would offer better then that b/c those would be poor offers from the Oilers. Zero interest in picks, Eberle, Nurse, Davidson or Reinhart in any deal with Trouba as the main piece from the Jets.

The same thing goes for the Leafs, very few pieces from the Leafs would be of interest to the Jets as a return for Trouba. Very few.

 

[Bust]

No way you are adding to Rielly. Come on.

Serious?

The plus would be with Trouba for Rielly. Probably have to be a decent one at that..

Rielly>Trouba
Rielly>>>Trouba with crazy contract demands.

 

[CorgisPer60]

His usage complaints stem from wanting more top pairing minutes and more PP time. So, he wants what Tyler Myers has. I still think Chevy should trade Myers to a team that could use his cap hit.

 

[leaflover]

Serious?

The plus would be with Trouba for Rielly. Probably have to be a decent one at that..

Rielly>Trouba
Rielly>>>Trouba with crazy contract demands.

I don't think anyone that isn't directly involved with negotiations has any idea whats up with that. Plenty of people speculating is all.

 

[lablite47]

His usage complaints stem from wanting more top pairing minutes and more PP time. So, he wants what Tyler Myers has. I still think Chevy should trade Myers to a team that could use his cap hit.

This is the second option.. Trouba may have a bit more 'potential' but not much more than Myers than he is supposedly claiming with his supposed contract demands. Plus, we would get way less for Myers than we could get for Trouba. Difference between the 2 is negligible IMO.

 

[Quiksilver*]

Will one tournament really make that much of a difference especially if it's played on the bigger international ice surface (I'm assuming that it will be)?

All tournament games are being played at the ACC.

 

[Boreal]

I really like Trouba, and I do think he is a very good player who may well become a great player. The advanced metrics are nice. The Stuart thing is real. All of that said, Trouba is worth a fair bit and I am fairly high on both Buff and Myers. That is to say that I'm not convinced that moving Trouba is a terrible move for the Jets. Questionable, certainly, but not terrible. The common logic is that the Jets are deep everywhere except for young NHL-ready D. Also, that the Jets don't have any young top-pairing-potential young D, save for Trouba. While perhaps true, I guess it depends what one thinks of Josh Morrissey. I didn't love the pick initially but I'm becoming intrigued. He's expansion exempt and a lefty. I dunno.

 

[howkie]

Trouba to the Leafs? Leafs have a spot for him on the right side on the top pairing with Morgan Rielly. They also have the assets to acquire him and the money to sign him.

What assets will you bring? a combo of Bozak/JVR and some obscure winger prospect aint getting it done....

I wanna see Chayka continue this unreal offseason of his and get something done with Trouba

Arizona has only 2 real intressteing pieces as I see it, besides OEL, and that is Strome or Murphy, doubt Arizona wanna send any of those....

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If the Oilers didn't offer one of those three deals (that I listed), IE something like Eberle or Davidson or Nurse or Reinhart or picks......there would multi teams who would offer better then that b/c those would be poor offers from the Oilers. Zero interest in picks, Eberle, Nurse, Davidson or Reinhart in any deal with Trouba as the main piece from the Jets.

The same thing goes for the Leafs, very few pieces from the Leafs would be of interest to the Jets as a return for Trouba. Very few.

So you think that another team will offer up their equivalent of Klefbom + or Larsson + or Draisaitl? Again that's wishful thinking.