You think the Devils can rip off two teams in one offseason? Lightning doesn't strike twice. Look for a Larson replacement elsewhere.
Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread
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You think the Devils can rip off two teams in one offseason? Lightning doesn't strike twice. Look for a Larson replacement elsewhere.
Not true. There's no urgency for him to move off that asking price in the middle of the summer. Once the season starts, that's a much different story. Moving off his asking price doesn't have to mean getting garbage in return. A LD of somewhat lesser value + another asset can still be a good return for them.
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RNH ~= Trouba >> Brodin all things considered IMO.
RNH gets points for being a high-end young C... 27th and 27th in scoring in his last full seasons. He was also 27th in scoring on the day he was injured this year. He also gets points because he is under a reasonable contract.
Trouba gets points for being a solid #2/3 defenseman. He gets points for the offense he created earlier in his career, like RNH, his balance of offense/defense will stabilize as he matures, but he's proven he can provide either... providing both usually follows. He loses points for his contract status and rumored (unreasonable) asking price.
Brodin is a fine player, but he's not in the same realm. Most will accept he is an excellent shut-down D, but he hasn't shown he can provide offense at any point in his career. That would be unexpected to develop at this relatively late stage of his development curve. He gains points for having the best contract of the bunch, but it isn't enough to climb high enough for RNH/Trouba.
Minnesota needs to add a 1st or two 2nds going to WPG.
RNH gets points for being a high-end young C... 27th and 27th in scoring in his last full seasons. He was also 27th in scoring on the day he was injured this year. He also gets points because he is under a reasonable contract.
Trouba gets points for being a solid #2/3 defenseman. He gets points for the offense he created earlier in his career, like RNH, his balance of offense/defense will stabilize as he matures, but he's proven he can provide either... providing both usually follows. He loses points for his contract status and rumored (unreasonable) asking price.
Brodin is a fine player, but he's not in the same realm. Most will accept he is an excellent shut-down D, but he hasn't shown he can provide offense at any point in his career. That would be unexpected to develop at this relatively late stage of his development curve. He gains points for having the best contract of the bunch, but it isn't enough to climb high enough for RNH/Trouba.
Minnesota needs to add a 1st or two 2nds going to WPG.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Okay and Winnipeg needs a LHD to replace Trouba, So how does Toronto's 1st rounder solve that problem considering that it's still most likely a top 10 pick.
Completely disagree with your value assesment there but whatever.
Hope you guys get the haul you want. I have a feeling this will stretch out and could get ugly.
To WPG: Jack Johnson + Gabe Carlsson
To EDM: Jacob Trouba + William Karlsson
To CBJ: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
To EDM: Jacob Trouba + William Karlsson
To CBJ: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
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I just saw Hall getting traded for Larsson. Going rate for D right now. We could end up giving them 8th oa. To me seems like a gamble I'd be willing to make. We would be happy if who we draft turned into Trouba
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This sucks for Winnipeg. Imagine you have a dman like Trouba on your team and this happened to you. It would not be fun.
I see this playing out as Trouba + for another top 4 dman who obviously plays LD. The + would be for any perceived loss of value because of the trade request.
The Leafs probably wouldn't be the best partner. Gardiner and a small plus may do it for Winnipeg if they don't get the offers they want but that trade would leave our second pairing pretty thin. I suppose the Leafs could then look to trade for a second pairing guy but even those are costly these days.
I see this playing out as Trouba + for another top 4 dman who obviously plays LD. The + would be for any perceived loss of value because of the trade request.
The Leafs probably wouldn't be the best partner. Gardiner and a small plus may do it for Winnipeg if they don't get the offers they want but that trade would leave our second pairing pretty thin. I suppose the Leafs could then look to trade for a second pairing guy but even those are costly these days.
Brodin is not on the same level.
Trouba has potential, and RNH could be the best 2C in the league. Brodin is just a 2nd pairing guy.
Trouba has potential, and RNH could be the best 2C in the league. Brodin is just a 2nd pairing guy.
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Unsure if its been posted, but this was on a NHL rumors site...
On Jacob Trouba …
Gary Lawless: After making some calls around the league yesterday, the Jets don’t have interest in trading Trouba unless they can get a left-handed defenseman of similar ability and age.
Gary Lawless: Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff isn’t looking to acquire draft picks and prospects for the 22-year old Trouba who has four more years under team control.
Gary Lawless: Cheveldayoff won’t be taking Trouba’s trade request personal. It’s just business. Each side has their agenda, and wouldn’t expect the Jets to cave.
Ken Wiebe of the Winnipeg Sun: The Jets have lots of forwards in the organization and will be looking to add depth on the left side of their blueline. They won’t just be looking for a left-handed defenseman in a Trouba trade.
Wiebe wonders if the Jets are just looking to move Trouba, or if they would look to make a bigger blockbuster.
Five teams that could be interested in Trouba and who could be a fit.
Arizona Coyotes – Michael Stone is a year away from unrestricted free agency, so Trouba could be a fit beside either Oliver Ekman-Larsson or Alex Goligoski.
The Coyotes have plenty of prospects or young NHL that might interest the Jets, but outside of Jakob Chychrun, they don’t have much when it comes to left-handed defensemen.
Boston Bruins – It was rumored the Bruins were considering offer sheeting Trouba.
A deal would probably have to include Torey Krug along with a draft pick or prospect. The Bruins don’t have a lot of cap room.
Colorado Avalanche – There were some offseason rumors of a Trouba for Matt Duchene trade.
Duchene has three years left at $6 million a year. They Jets may prefer to not trade within their division, but if it’s the best offer, they can’t rule it out.
Detroit Red Wings – Would a trade package involving Danny DeKeyser work? The Jets were interested in him when he was a college free agent. He’s under contract for another six years at $5 million per.
Philadephia Flyers – the Flyers might be interested in a Shayne Gostisbehere – Jacob Trouba pairing.
The Flyers have left-handed prospects Ivan Provorov and Travis Sanheim.
The Flyers don’t have a lot of salary cap space, so the Jets would have to take back salary.
On Jacob Trouba …
Gary Lawless: After making some calls around the league yesterday, the Jets don’t have interest in trading Trouba unless they can get a left-handed defenseman of similar ability and age.
Gary Lawless: Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff isn’t looking to acquire draft picks and prospects for the 22-year old Trouba who has four more years under team control.
Gary Lawless: Cheveldayoff won’t be taking Trouba’s trade request personal. It’s just business. Each side has their agenda, and wouldn’t expect the Jets to cave.
Ken Wiebe of the Winnipeg Sun: The Jets have lots of forwards in the organization and will be looking to add depth on the left side of their blueline. They won’t just be looking for a left-handed defenseman in a Trouba trade.
Wiebe wonders if the Jets are just looking to move Trouba, or if they would look to make a bigger blockbuster.
Five teams that could be interested in Trouba and who could be a fit.
Arizona Coyotes – Michael Stone is a year away from unrestricted free agency, so Trouba could be a fit beside either Oliver Ekman-Larsson or Alex Goligoski.
The Coyotes have plenty of prospects or young NHL that might interest the Jets, but outside of Jakob Chychrun, they don’t have much when it comes to left-handed defensemen.
Boston Bruins – It was rumored the Bruins were considering offer sheeting Trouba.
A deal would probably have to include Torey Krug along with a draft pick or prospect. The Bruins don’t have a lot of cap room.
Colorado Avalanche – There were some offseason rumors of a Trouba for Matt Duchene trade.
Duchene has three years left at $6 million a year. They Jets may prefer to not trade within their division, but if it’s the best offer, they can’t rule it out.
Detroit Red Wings – Would a trade package involving Danny DeKeyser work? The Jets were interested in him when he was a college free agent. He’s under contract for another six years at $5 million per.
Philadephia Flyers – the Flyers might be interested in a Shayne Gostisbehere – Jacob Trouba pairing.
The Flyers have left-handed prospects Ivan Provorov and Travis Sanheim.
The Flyers don’t have a lot of salary cap space, so the Jets would have to take back salary.
He is one of the worst d men in the league.
I cannot believe someone thinks including him in an offer for Trouba is at all reasonable.
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Or Edm 2nd '17, no Yak.
Sorry but if we don't want good forwards why in **** would we want bad ones?
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What is it about the passage of a few weeks or a couple of months that reduces a players value? Do they rot on a shelf? What is the mechanism?
Hear this everytime but there is no substance to it.
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They'd rather Gardiner, though. The Leafs can protect the pick which is what they want and Winnipeg wants to take a step forward which is what getting a top-4 LHD in return would help do for them.
An 8th overall pick likely doesn't see the NHL for a couple years.
I don't think I buy the 'Trouba requested a trade, so he is worth less' narrative. That might be true in a vacuum, but the reality of the matter is that there are presumably 29 teams that are kicking the tires on Trouba. It's not like everyone submits their lowball trade offer and the Jets have to pick the best of the worst.
Sure the starting points have probably lowered, but really what will be happening is
Team A: We offer you Player 1 and a 2nd round pick
Jets: Well, Team B offered us X and Y, and we like that package more
Team A: Well, maybe we can work with Player 2 and a 1st
Jets: We'll see.
To presume that there is some collusion between 30 GMs that artificially depresses the value of players who demand a trade is... giving a lot of a credit to a group of people who once included Mike Milbury
Sure the starting points have probably lowered, but really what will be happening is
Team A: We offer you Player 1 and a 2nd round pick
Jets: Well, Team B offered us X and Y, and we like that package more
Team A: Well, maybe we can work with Player 2 and a 1st
Jets: We'll see.
To presume that there is some collusion between 30 GMs that artificially depresses the value of players who demand a trade is... giving a lot of a credit to a group of people who once included Mike Milbury
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Cheveldayoff isn't trading 4 years of Trouba for 2 years of Fowler, Thinking something like Lindolm, Krug or Maatta would be what Cheveldayoff would be seeking for Trouba obviously Cheveldayoff would need to add from Trouba to get Lindholm and i still doubt that Bob Murray would do it.
Dr Jan Itor
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Scandella plays more of the same style that Trouba does, and is a lefty, but I'm not sure if Winnipeg would want to take the 5 year age jump.
StevenB
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Gardiner and Nylander for Trouba, Connor, and Morrissey. Probably a bit of an overpay from WPG's side.
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