Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[JohnnyJacket13]

What about:

Ducks: Duchene
Jets: Lindholm
Avs: Trouba

Add picks and probably a bit of retention on Duchene to make it work for the ducks.

The Avs don't really have a need for a RHD with EJ+Barrie on the right side already.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Leafs: Trouba

Jets: Gardiner, Dermott, Kapanen/Brown/2017 2nd

This is pretty good. Gardiner is < Trouba but a good LD who can play now. Dermott is promising. I would take the 2nd and look to draft a RHD.

 

[Avs44]

What about:

Ducks: Duchene
Jets: Lindholm
Avs: Trouba

Add picks and probably a bit of retention on Duchene to make it work for the ducks.

If Duchene gets Lindholm, then forget the Jets, the Avs easily rather have Lindholm. Just cut the Jets out of it entirely.

 

[jnk96]

I made an offer from the Canucks, expecting both Jets and Canucks fans to dislike it -- but the reaction was worse than expected.

To VAN: D Jacob Trouba
To WPG: RW Jake Virtanen, C Brendan Gaunce, D Nikita Tryamkin

Objectively, the Canucks get a top-pairing defenseman, the Jets get a winger with top-six potential, a center with third-line potential and a defenseman with top-four potential.

From Canucks fans, I have gotten a ton of negative feedback: "Completely moronic valuation of Trouba" or "you greatly over-value Trouba. Right now we have 4 defensemen better than him with the possibility of Tryamkin also being a better player than him." Seriously?

At this point, Virtanen hasn't proven that he can become a top-six scorer. Even if he can, would he have more value than Trouba?
Gaunce looks like he could be a solid defensive player in the NHL, but he probably won't make it past a third-line role -- ever.
Tryamkin, at this point, has done absolutely 100% nothing to prove he can even be a full-time NHL player. Better than Trouba? Come on.

Right now is probably the worst possible time to trade those guys, as the Canucks would like to find out what they can do. But they could also get the top-pairing D-man and PP quarterback they've been wanting for so long.

While I did expect Canucks fans to say "hell no", I would actually say the Canucks might not have enough value in this deal.

What do you think -- objectively?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Oilers (and all the other teams) are under no obligation to pay the Jets asking price.

and the Jets are under no obligation to trade Trouba.

Trouba is a very good player at one of the most valuable positions. Teams thinking this situation allows them to steal him will be disappointed. His value is unchanged. Pay up or you don't get him. OTOH Trouba can sign or sit.

 

[North]

Because what Cheveldayoff is looking for is quite unrealistic. There just aren't teams looking to trade a young LHD for a righty at the moment (see: Buffalo and Anaheim). Chevy's going to have to take a more seasoned veteran top-4 LHD (and a capable player, which Jack Johnson is) with picks/prospects to make it work.

You could point out that Ryan Murray would get the job done, but it would take a significant add for the Blue Jackets to consider. Murray, at the moment, is their best defender. Much like what viqsi pointed out, moving Murray for Trouba would put us in the same position as the Jets. So it would take a hefty haul for a Murray for Trouba+ swap.

Contrary to popular belief, Jack Johnson is a very solid top-4 defender when not thrust onto the top pairing with an incapable partner. That's why Jack Johnson + one of our prospects not named Dubois/Bjorkstrand/Werenski is a good alternative for WPG to consider.

Jack Johnson is pretty well known to be awful.

No way should he even have been offered in a serious proposal.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

This is why you take these rumors seriously, especially when they're persistent and coming from different sources. Winnipeg fans spent the year saying every Trouba rumor was absolutely horsecrap, all traced back to one single article that was completely fabricated. Much like Edmonton fans saying Hall would never get traded and Eberle would fetch them a top-4 defenseman, sometimes you have to remove your hands from your eyes and read the writing on the wall.

Except that was the 100% truth. It was constantly denied because there was no credible source. The team and the agent denied everything and there was very very little to back up anything that was said.

It's like when Eklund is right. Does he get any additional credibility? Of course not.

 

[Lapa]

Yes.

 

[tacogeoff]

No. why would we do that trade. Chevy has stated he wants an nhl ready LHD in exchange. your trade proposal does not meet that criteria. your trade adds nothing of value to our team.

 

[North]

i dont disagree but my hope, sorry as a wings fan, is that if he makes it clear he wont sign longterm with anyone but detroit(if his wish truly is to play as close to home as possible) that it will limit the # of suitors

sorta like the hamonic situation last year where he limited it to western canada only

The Jets won't trade him then.

 

[Bryzard of Oz]

Provorov and Streit for Trouba is fair (third party observer). Provorov has higher upside, but Trouba is ready now and right shot d are rare.

Sanheim, Streit and a 1st for Trouba is also fair.

I could see a pretty massive deal go down between these teams if Hextall has the nards to try. Philly needs left wingers and right D in their system in the worst way. Philly has buckets of left shooting, left side D.

Imagine Kyle Connor and Jacob Trouba in the Philly system.



Provorov, Streit, Konecny + for Connor and Trouba

All three of those are bad for the Flyers

 

[Zaddy91]

I made an offer from the Canucks, expecting both Jets and Canucks fans to dislike it -- but the reaction was worse than expected.

To VAN: D Jacob Trouba
To WPG: RW Jake Virtanen, C Brendan Gaunce, D Nikita Tryamkin

Objectively, the Canucks get a top-pairing defenseman, the Jets get a winger with top-six potential, a center with third-line potential and a defenseman with top-four potential.

From Canucks fans, I have gotten a ton of negative feedback: "Completely moronic valuation of Trouba" or "you greatly over-value Trouba. Right now we have 4 defensemen better than him with the possibility of Tryamkin also being a better player than him." Seriously?

At this point, Virtanen hasn't proven that he can become a top-six scorer. Even if he can, would he have more value than Trouba?
Gaunce looks like he could be a solid defensive player in the NHL, but he probably won't make it past a third-line role -- ever.
Tryamkin, at this point, has done absolutely 100% nothing to prove he can even be a full-time NHL player. Better than Trouba? Come on.

Right now is probably the worst possible time to trade those guys, as the Canucks would like to find out what they can do. But they could also get the top-pairing D-man and PP quarterback they've been wanting for so long.

While I did expect Canucks fans to say "hell no", I would actually say the Canucks might not have enough value in this deal.

What do you think -- objectively?

tsn has brainwashed the world against virtanen despite his natural skill set looking deadly. no one sees him play so hes written off as a top 6 bust when in reality he has a top 10 shot in the league and is 225 lbs while being a top 3 fastest skater on the team.

tryamkin played in the khl at 21 and looks like a young chara with his skating and reach.

gaunce is solid draft expansion target


i would not in a million years make this trade unless we could go back in time and make it edler + mccann

virtanen and tryamkin are cup pieces that other fan bases ignore to not be as terrified that we can draft in the 2nd and 3rd round now that gillis is gone and our time is coming

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Would Winnipeg consider Connor Carrick, Tyler Bozak and Kasperi Kappanen?

No! Not for 1 second.

 

[MikeRahl]

I made an offer from the Canucks, expecting both Jets and Canucks fans to dislike it -- but the reaction was worse than expected.

To VAN: D Jacob Trouba
To WPG: RW Jake Virtanen, C Brendan Gaunce, D Nikita Tryamkin

Objectively, the Canucks get a top-pairing defenseman, the Jets get a winger with top-six potential, a center with third-line potential and a defenseman with top-four potential.

From Canucks fans, I have gotten a ton of negative feedback: "Completely moronic valuation of Trouba" or "you greatly over-value Trouba. Right now we have 4 defensemen better than him with the possibility of Tryamkin also being a better player than him." Seriously?

At this point, Virtanen hasn't proven that he can become a top-six scorer. Even if he can, would he have more value than Trouba?
Gaunce looks like he could be a solid defensive player in the NHL, but he probably won't make it past a third-line role -- ever.
Tryamkin, at this point, has done absolutely 100% nothing to prove he can even be a full-time NHL player. Better than Trouba? Come on.

Right now is probably the worst possible time to trade those guys, as the Canucks would like to find out what they can do. But they could also get the top-pairing D-man and PP quarterback they've been wanting for so long.

While I did expect Canucks fans to say "hell no", I would actually say the Canucks might not have enough value in this deal.

What do you think -- objectively?

You are going to get a ton of negative feedback on that proposal from Jets fans as well. Best player on the Canucks side is a winger, and all of them have 'Potential' attached to them.

 

[Hunter368]

This is pretty good. Gardiner is < Trouba but a good LD who can play now. Dermott is promising. I would take the 2nd and look to draft a RHD.

Agreed. This trade with the Leafs keeps getting repeated, imo it's our best option. Only thing so far that might be interesting is us adding to Trouba (add forward prospect) to land us a bigger fish

 

[Maukkis]

I made an offer from the Canucks, expecting both Jets and Canucks fans to dislike it -- but the reaction was worse than expected.

To VAN: D Jacob Trouba
To WPG: RW Jake Virtanen, C Brendan Gaunce, D Nikita Tryamkin

Objectively, the Canucks get a top-pairing defenseman, the Jets get a winger with top-six potential, a center with third-line potential and a defenseman with top-four potential.

From Canucks fans, I have gotten a ton of negative feedback: "Completely moronic valuation of Trouba" or "you greatly over-value Trouba. Right now we have 4 defensemen better than him with the possibility of Tryamkin also being a better player than him." Seriously?

At this point, Virtanen hasn't proven that he can become a top-six scorer. Even if he can, would he have more value than Trouba?
Gaunce looks like he could be a solid defensive player in the NHL, but he probably won't make it past a third-line role -- ever.
Tryamkin, at this point, has done absolutely 100% nothing to prove he can even be a full-time NHL player. Better than Trouba? Come on.

Right now is probably the worst possible time to trade those guys, as the Canucks would like to find out what they can do. But they could also get the top-pairing D-man and PP quarterback they've been wanting for so long.

While I did expect Canucks fans to say "hell no", I would actually say the Canucks might not have enough value in this deal.

What do you think -- objectively?

Horrible. Virtanen offers us nothing, just like Gaunce. You have one asset which gets Trouba, and it's Tanev.

 

[thepuckmonster]

You are going to get a ton of negative feedback on that proposal from Jets fans as well. Best player on the Canucks side is a winger, and all of them have 'Potential' attached to them.

The only potential big piece Winnipeg would be mildly interested in from Vancouver is Hutton and we'd still have to add. Or Tanev but then Winnipeg has to add given the marked gap in play and contract status. Tanev also exclusively plays the right side so it doesn't really balance out and give WPG the LHD they want.

But it doesn't make sense for us, Tanev + Gudbranson are on the right and Trouba isn't exactly a point producer. We can't afford to move our one OFD guy for another DFD on the right.

 

[Ishad]

I think Trouba would be great in Detroit, but I doubt there's a trade to be made. Especially after Dekeyser signed that 6x5. Your big trade pieces are all wingers, which is the last thing we need. Would have to be some kind of 3-way.

Winger to the Ducks, Fowler to Winnipeg and Trouba to Detroit is the only thing I could possibly see working. (Obviously Detroit would have to add for the balance).

But, the likelihood of that happening is incredibly small.

 

[jnk96]

tsn has brainwashed the world against virtanen despite his natural skill set looking deadly. no one sees him play so hes written off as a top 6 bust when in reality he has a top 10 shot in the league and is 225 lbs while being a top 3 fastest skater on the team.

tryamkin played in the khl at 21 and looks like a young chara with his skating and reach.

gaunce is solid draft expansion target


i would not in a million years make this trade unless we could go back in time and make it edler + mccann

virtanen and tryamkin are cup pieces that other fan bases ignore to not be as terrified that we can draft in the 2nd and 3rd round now that gillis is gone and our time is coming

I'm a huge Virtanen fan and believe he can become a top-six scorer once he gets more than 10 minutes per night. That's the only reason why I even made this suggestion. If I believed Virtanen will become a bust, I wouldn't offer him for Trouba.

As to Tryamkin, Canucks fans went nuts about his size and Chara comparisons. But in his first 13 games, he had some really rough shifts and looked very shaky. Mobile? Yes. Good reach? Yes. Physicality? Yes. But he most definitely didn't look like a sure-fire top-four player.

Meanwhile, Trouba is a top-pairing player. There's no doubt about it.

 

[McWeber]

Pass, Trouba would be great but I don't want to go back to playing Pouliot at center as soon as there's an injury. Keep the center depth and find another way to fill out the blue line.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Ryan Sproul for Jacob Trouba

Both unsigned RFA RHD.

This is what "apples to apples" means right?

 

[jnk96]

You are going to get a ton of negative feedback on that proposal from Jets fans as well. Best player on the Canucks side is a winger, and all of them have 'Potential' attached to them.

Exactly as expected, and the quote below is exactly the comments I saw coming:

Horrible. Virtanen offers us nothing, just like Gaunce. You have one asset which gets Trouba, and it's Tanev.

This is also why I don't get how Canucks fans find this so super terrible. Trouba would make the club a lot better immediately.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Winger to the Ducks, Fowler to Winnipeg and Trouba to Detroit is the only thing I could possibly see working. (Obviously Detroit would have to add for the balance).

But, the likelihood of that happening is incredibly small.

Something involving Nyquist, Trouba, and Fowler as the main pieces.

 

[Jumptheshark]

To Oilers
Trouba

To Jets
Brodin

To Wild
RHN

Oilers get high-end RHD to complete their blueline overhaul.

Jets get LHD with needed skill-set and comparable age/value to Trouba, but re-signed long-term.

Wild get center to play in top-6 with Koivu.

we have a trouba thread

 

[PuckG]

Not interested as an Oiler fan. I'd rather stay the course and see how we do right now instead of give an already signed RNH for a RFA Trouba. And with the expansion draft coming, we'd have to protect Klefbom, Larsson, Trouba, and Sekera? No thanks.