Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[FlyLife]

Morin + MacDonald
or
Sanheim + MacDonald

for

Trouba

Picks/Specs to even it out

Provorov is an absolute no-go

 

[Hunter368]

Since the jets are in a week position then how about gubranson for trouba and a 5th

"Weak" position? No the Jets aren't, their in the driver seat.

Easy no to your offer

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Provorov and Streit for Trouba is fair (third party observer). Provorov has higher upside, but Trouba is ready now and right shot d are rare.

Sanheim, Streit and a 1st for Trouba is also fair.

I could see a pretty massive deal go down between these teams if Hextall has the nards to try. Philly needs left wingers and right D in their system in the worst way. Philly has buckets of left shooting, left side D.

Imagine Kyle Connor and Jacob Trouba in the Philly system.



Provorov, Streit, Konecny + for Connor and Trouba

Agree with the bolded.

A blockbuster between these 2 could be very interesting. Lots of potential to rebalance prospect pools of both.

 

[M2Beezy]

Want to know who's in a weak position?

The Canucks.

O yeah the benning facotor. Forgot about that lol

Trouba for Tanev and Boeser

More Benningish

But if we had a real GM Gubranson for Trouba and a 5th would be a good deal

 

[Hunter368]

Morin + MacDonald
or
Sanheim + MacDonald

for

Trouba

Picks/Specs to even it out

Nope, no need for us to take cap dumps unless we're being compensated for it.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

"Weak" position? No the Jets aren't, their in the driver seat.

Easy no to your offer

They have an unsigned player whose value is probably going to start to decrease the longer he sits out.

 

[FlyLife]

Nope, no need for us to take cap dumps unless we're being compensated for it.

You are...you are getting an entry level contract for a player who doesn't want to be on your team and wants a big contract.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

They have an unsigned player whose value is probably going to start to decrease the longer he sits out.

An unsigned player who is quite valuable and wanted by many teams out there.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is why you take these rumors seriously, especially when they're persistent and coming from different sources. Winnipeg fans spent the year saying every Trouba rumor was absolutely horsecrap, all traced back to one single article that was completely fabricated. Much like Edmonton fans saying Hall would never get traded and Eberle would fetch them a top-4 defenseman, sometimes you have to remove your hands from your eyes and read the writing on the wall.

And they were right. This is different. There were rumours about Trouba being unhappy with his usage and they were NOT being called 'horsecrap' by Jets fans.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You are...you are getting an entry level contract for a player who doesn't want to be on your team and wants a big contract.

I like how you phrase it like you're doing us a favor with that offer

 

[Stealth JD]

Winnipeg is going to be very, very good...very, very soon. They should just Drouin-him. If they don't get an amazing offer in return, let him pout until he's ready to play again. No need to let this kid dictate how things are going to be.

 

[tacogeoff]

They have an unsigned player whose value is probably going to start to decrease the longer he sits out.

I think it will go up. if he is not traded and the season presses on with him on the sidelines it makes a bigger case for him to be paid what he wants if we or another franchise runs into some devastating injuries on defence.

 

[DasKaiser]

Ok get your lowball offers in now, let's hear them all.

Nurse, Eberle, 1st
for
Trouba, Ehlers

 

[FlyLife]

I like how you phrase it like you're doing us a favor with that offer

Not really how I meant it, but sure.

Entry level contracts do have a lot of value, and the players I offered on the entry level contracts are high-end D prospects, exactly what your GM is looking for, that's all I'm saying.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

An unsigned player who is quite valuable and wanted by many teams out there.

Yet, he asked for a trade back in May and nothing got done.

The return on him will be less than what the Jets fans are claiming...as is always the case in situations like this.

 

[Community]

Really think there is something to be done around Trouba and Gardiner+.

I don't think so TBH. While the Leafs should be interested in acquiring Trouba, given his perceived $ demands I think they will stay away. I don't think it is in Lou Lam's style to acquire Trouba and give him more money than Rielly before he even plays a game for the Leafs while Rielly has been our guy for a while now.

Now, if the Trouba estimates of ~6m is false (or just used b/c he wanted a premium to stay in Winnipeg) and he's willing to sign for less in Toronto... Then I think the Leafs will pursue a bit harder.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Yet, he asked for a trade back in May and nothing got done.

I believe the Jets have been pushing hard to get him signed through that time. They have always stated that he's been a part of their long term plans. Him going public with this now changes things.

The return on him will be less than what the Jets fans are claiming...as is always the case in situations like this.

Funny. Heard that a lot during the Kane situation as well. Funny how we were very happy with the return when everyone else told us the exact opposite would happen.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I know why you think like this because you have been used to oiler management incompetence for a long time .

Can't argue the point, so you slander the team. Way to lose in style.

but this is how competent gm's handle it. you want a trade Jacob. good. we are not trading you,see you on dec 1st when you out almost a million and 4 years of rfa years are is still owing to us, i will have contract ready for you to sign then.

They handle it by driving down the value of an already compromised asset? I know you folks love yourselves some "Chevy" but at some point you have to criticize the GM. That he engineered the trade blocking Trouba's progression in the lineup should alone give you pause as to whether or not he's capable of handling this, never mind the six-month debacle the Trouba situation has become.

Oh, and that's all without being any closer to the playoffs than the Oilers. Tell me again what makes Cheveldayoff a great GM, or at least a better one than Chiarelli?

 

[tacogeoff]

I don't think so TBH. While the Leafs should be interested in acquiring Trouba, given his perceived $ demands I think they will stay away. I don't think it is in Lou Lam's style to acquire Trouba and give him more money than Rielly before he even plays a game for the Leafs while Rielly has been our guy for a while now.

Now, if the Trouba estimates of ~6m is false (or just used b/c he wanted a premium to stay in Winnipeg) and he's willing to sign for less in Toronto... Then I think the Leafs will pursue a bit harder.

I agree. Lou seems like a guy that would not put up with this type of crap.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I believe the Jets have been pushing hard to get him signed through that time. They have always stated that he's been a part of their long term plans.

That was a probably a mistake, don't you think? I mean, unless you welcome camp hold-outs...

Funny. Heard that a lot during the Kane situation as well. Funny how we were very happy with the return when everyone else told us the exact opposite would happen.

Are you still happy now that Myers is a prime reason why Trouba is being forced to play his off-side and thus wants out? Brilliant work there by Chevy.

 

[Hunter368]

They have an unsigned player whose value is probably going to start to decrease the longer he sits out.

Only in fans minds, not GM's

You are...you are getting an entry level contract for a player who doesn't want to be on your team and wants a big contract.

Easy pass

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Because what Cheveldayoff is looking for is quite unrealistic. There just aren't teams looking to trade a young LHD for a righty at the moment (see: Buffalo and Anaheim). Chevy's going to have to take a more seasoned veteran top-4 LHD (and a capable player, which Jack Johnson is) with picks/prospects to make it work.

You could point out that Ryan Murray would get the job done, but it would take a significant add for the Blue Jackets to consider. Murray, at the moment, is their best defender. Much like what viqsi pointed out, moving Murray for Trouba would put us in the same position as the Jets. So it would take a hefty haul for a Murray for Trouba+ swap.

Contrary to popular belief, Jack Johnson is a very solid top-4 defender when not thrust onto the top pairing with an incapable partner. That's why Jack Johnson + one of our prospects not named Dubois/Bjorkstrand/Werenski is a good alternative for WPG to consider.

Sorry, Jack Johnson is crap. You can believe otherwise all you want but nobody is going to accept your evaluation in trade. Murray might get you Trouba 1 for 1. Don't like his injury history but maybe that is behind him. I would rather you just keep JJ and we will work something around Werenski.

 

[North]

That was a probably a mistake, don't you think? I mean, unless you welcome camp hold-outs...



Are you still happy now that Myers is a prime reason why Trouba is being forced to play his off-side and thus wants out? Brilliant work there by Chevy.

Myers replaced Bogosian. This could still have been an issue if Bogosian was not traded. Myers is not the reason.

Chevy made a fantastic trade and I wouldn't undo that for anything, even a butt hurt Trouba.

 

[Hunter368]

Nurse, Eberle, 1st
for
Trouba, Ehlers

No thx. No chance

Did you read Chevy demands? You haven't filled them

 

[allan5oh]

And they were right. This is different. There were rumours about Trouba being unhappy with his usage and they were NOT being called 'horsecrap' by Jets fans.

This is correct. There was very little concrete info. One thing that Lawless put out a while back is that usage was an issue.

Other than that there was nothing even remotely concrete before this that he wanted out. Nothing.