Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[darkwingduck]

Idc what he plays just put him behind the next and let him feed from there.

 

[QuackAttack90]

Watching Caufield light it up is also bumming me out. They used to be at the same development stage (Z was actually better) but now Cole is miles ahead of Z

 

[anezthes]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852392645504663558

 

[Goose of Reason]

Yeah let's trade the only guy that consistently creates offense, that'll solve all the offensive problems

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Absolutely absurd that they’re trying to turn this man into a mucker. This franchise is gonna pay for what they’ve done to this kid

 

[ohcomeonref]

I love Z but he has 3 f***ing points in 10 games. And he's a -4. This projects to be so much worse than his 60~ point seasons where he was -20 something.

 

[bracer028]

Growing pains. Remember terry was like this. The coaches gave him a lot of leeway because he tries. Then the light bulb went on and the game slowed down.

 

[Goose of Reason]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853485706976677965

I think this is a good article about Z's year, and one part that sticks out to me is that the Killorn-Z-Cutter line has a 68.1% xG and a 67.6% shot share since they've been put together. That backs up the eye test that that line is dominating but is completely snakebitten.

 

[Arthuros]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853485706976677965

I think this is a good article about Z's year, and one part that sticks out to me is that the Killorn-Z-Cutter line has a 68.1% xG and a 67.6% shot share since they've been put together. That backs up the eye test that that line is dominating but is completely snakebitten.

And the snake's name? Alex Killorn.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853485706976677965

I think this is a good article about Z's year, and one part that sticks out to me is that the Killorn-Z-Cutter line has a 68.1% xG and a 67.6% shot share since they've been put together. That backs up the eye test that that line is dominating but is completely snakebitten.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I continue to have more respect for Z the longer he's here. It would be so easy for him to have a pissy attitude by now for how things have gone, how he's been treated and easy enough for him to say OK, fine, trade me. But he doesn't. He just digs in, tries to do what's asked of him and help the team in whatever way he can. All on top of being a real solid human being who goes out of his way for others. I don't want to lose this guy.

We really need to get this team better coaching because the talent is there and we cannot afford to lose out on what this team can be.

 

[Ducks DVM]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853485706976677965

I think this is a good article about Z's year, and one part that sticks out to me is that the Killorn-Z-Cutter line has a 68.1% xG and a 67.6% shot share since they've been put together. That backs up the eye test that that line is dominating but is completely snakebitten.

I don’t think they’re completely snake bitten. I think Gauthier’s brain defaults to “shoot” within microseconds of the puck touching his stick, and he just fires shots off without taking the one extra move/step to improve his shooting angle. He’s trying to do what worked in college, and it isn’t working on NHL goalies. It’s why I want him sent down for a week or so, to get his confidence back and to learn to slow down.he took a shot last night when Zegras was completely alone at the back post for an easy tap in goal.

He shoots a LOT. I don’t see the majority of his shots and think “that was a great shot”

 

[Mr Rogers]

I don’t think they’re completely snake bitten. I think Gauthier’s brain defaults to “shoot” within microseconds of the puck touching his stick, and he just fires shots off without taking the one extra move/step to improve his shooting angle. He’s trying to do what worked in college, and it isn’t working on NHL goalies. It’s why I want him sent down for a week or so, to get his confidence back and to learn to slow down.he took a shot last night when Zegras was completely alone at the back post for an easy tap in goal.

He shoots a LOT. I don’t see the majority of his shots and think “that was a great shot”

I agree. I also think Cronin’s preaching of just shoot more won’t do a kid like Gauthier any favours. He needs somebody to be telling him to slow down sometimes and look for other options.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don’t think they’re completely snake bitten. I think Gauthier’s brain defaults to “shoot” within microseconds of the puck touching his stick, and he just fires shots off without taking the one extra move/step to improve his shooting angle. He’s trying to do what worked in college, and it isn’t working on NHL goalies. It’s why I want him sent down for a week or so, to get his confidence back and to learn to slow down.he took a shot last night when Zegras was completely alone at the back post for an easy tap in goal.

He shoots a LOT. I don’t see the majority of his shots and think “that was a great shot”

I don't disagree with your analysis but I do wonder if occasionally shooting, when a pass would have worked better, is just the price you pay for a sniper who will hopefully get you 30+ goals for the next 10 years. Even the best players will, in hindsight, make a bad choice now and then.

Heaven knows, this team needs somebody who isn't afraid to shoot.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I don't disagree with your analysis but I do wonder if occasionally shooting, when a pass would have worked better, is just the price you pay for a sniper who will hopefully get you 30+ goals for the next 10 years. Even the best players will, in hindsight, make a bad choice now and then.

Heaven knows, this team needs somebody who isn't afraid to shoot.

Agreed.

However - he needs to hold shots until there’s someone in place for a rebound. Or a tip. Or a screen. Or another player around to help chase if he misses. Every shot he takes is making him grip the stick harder, and I think he never saw Zegras at the post because he’s so locked in on needing to get that first goal. He has geeat vision and passing, but he’s not using it much any more.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Agreed.

However - he needs to hold shots until there’s someone in place for a rebound. Or a tip. Or a screen. Or another player around to help chase if he misses. Every shot he takes is making him grip the stick harder, and I think he never saw Zegras at the post because he’s so locked in on needing to get that first goal. He has geeat vision and passing, but he’s not using it much any more.

Oh, for sure I'd like to see somebody take his potential and add to it rather than subtract his positives in order to improve his deficiencies. But I don't think we currently have any coaches who can do that. And that worries me.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Oh, for sure I'd like to see somebody take his potential and add to it rather than subtract his positives in order to improve his deficiencies. But I don't think we currently have any coaches who can do that. And that worries me.

It’s where having a team retiree around would be helpful. Getzlaf I think made Terry’s career.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I don't disagree with your analysis but I do wonder if occasionally shooting, when a pass would have worked better, is just the price you pay for a sniper who will hopefully get you 30+ goals for the next 10 years. Even the best players will, in hindsight, make a bad choice now and then.

Heaven knows, this team needs somebody who isn't afraid to shoot.

Exactly cutter G is a pure sniper doing sniper things.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It’s where having a team retiree around would be helpful. Getzlaf I think made Terry’s career.

It obviously wouldn't hurt but I'm really beginning to worry that this team is a mental mess everywhere. Coaches, players, management.

I may be in the minority but I still don't see how Getz going to work with Parros is a positive career move, especially if the guy wants to be in team management. You don't get that by leaving a team to work for the bozos in the "player safety" corporate office.

 

[JAHV]

It obviously wouldn't hurt but I'm really beginning to worry that this team is a mental mess everywhere. Coaches, players, management.

I may be in the minority but I still don't see how Getz going to work with Parros is a positive career move, especially if the guy wants to be in team management. You don't get that by leaving a team to work for the bozos in the "player safety" corporate office.

Haven't there been a number of guys, though, who have gone that route? Brian Burke, Brendan Shanahan, Rob Blake - those guys all worked in the NHL corporate office and then went on to be in a front office (I'm sure there are more - those are the ones who come to mind).

I hate that Getzlaf is there because I want him to be with the Ducks. And I think there's something to the fact that his move indicates there might not be great vibes in the Ducks' front office. But I don't think this is necessarily a bad move for him if he wants a team job later.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Haven't there been a number of guys, though, who have gone that route? Brian Burke, Brendan Shanahan, Rob Blake - those guys all worked in the NHL corporate office and then went on to be in a front office (I'm sure there are more - those are the ones who come to mind).

I hate that Getzlaf is there because I want him to be with the Ducks. And I think there's something to the fact that his move indicates there might not be great vibes in the Ducks' front office. But I don't think this is necessarily a bad move for him if he wants a team job later.

Sure, guys have different resumes on their career path. But my argument goes like this....

If you actually want to work your way into being in team management (is that code for GM?) then it's far more important to understand how teams are run/managed. What's involved in running a scouting department? What's involved in player development? What's involved in understanding the financial side of the business? How do you learn what's involved in hiring the best scouts or coaches or fitness gurus?

None of that is learned working in "player safety". Now if you were a 4th line guy who played 3 or 4 years in the league and want to work your way up, maybe it is a good idea to go work in New York at the NHL offices and get a little better know around the league. But a guy like Getzlaf absolutely does not need that. Everybody in management on all 32 teams knows who he is. Any of them would take a call from him.

IMO, his best path is to work for one or more teams to get the experience I referenced above. I see zero value to him in going to lunch with Parros, Bettman and/or Daily to discuss "player safety" issues.

So, that's why I'm scratching my head that a guy like Getzlaf who spent his whole playing career with the Ducks would walk out of a job after the season started (I'm counting pre-season) to go work a job that does not contribute to his claimed desire of being in team management. I agree with you that that move is not giving off good vibes about the relationship between he and the Ducks.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Sure, guys have different resumes on their career path. But my argument goes like this....

If you actually want to work your way into being in team management (is that code for GM?) then it's far more important to understand how teams are run/managed. What's involved in running a scouting department? What's involved in player development? What's involved in understanding the financial side of the business? How do you learn what's involved in hiring the best scouts or coaches or fitness gurus?

None of that is learned working in "player safety". Now if you were a 4th line guy who played 3 or 4 years in the league and want to work your way up, maybe it is a good idea to go work in New York at the NHL offices and get a little better know around the league. But a guy like Getzlaf absolutely does not need that. Everybody in management on all 32 teams knows who he is. Any of them would take a call from him.

IMO, his best path is to work for one or more teams to get the experience I referenced above. I see zero value to him in going to lunch with Parros, Bettman and/or Daily to discuss "player safety" issues.

So, that's why I'm scratching my head that a guy like Getzlaf who spent his whole playing career with the Ducks would walk out of a job after the season started (I'm counting pre-season) to go work a job that does not contribute to his claimed desire of being in team management. I agree with you that that move is not giving off good vibes about the relationship between he and the Ducks.

What if PV isn't giving Getz that opportunity to be more integral in the front office aspect and has a job to only "talk" to prospects? That's probably why Getz bailed to a position that can get him going into a GM direction. Unlike our players, Getz can bail out of the system.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

What if PV isn't giving Getz that opportunity to be more integral in the front office aspect and has a job to only "talk" to prospects? That's probably why Getz bailed to a position that can get him going into a GM direction. Unlike our players, Getz can bail out of the system.

Well, that's exactly my point. IMO he didn't leave because he saw a job with Parros as a great stepping stone forward. I think he left as a result of a woefully run team that was not helpful to his intended plans. IMO, the Parros job just happened along at a good time for him to jump ship.