Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[Boo Boo]

I'd agree. He didn't regress but he didn't get any better either..

I mean he put up similar numbers on a far worse overall team and without needing terry to score off every second shot to leach assists. He also did it all while being the main target for opposing defenders. I think that’s a solid improvement for a second season.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I mean he put up similar numbers on a far worse overall team and without needing terry to score off every second shot to leach assists. He also did it all while being the main target for opposing defenders. I think that’s a solid improvement for a second season.

For me: he put up the same numbers on an even worse team but took too many bad penalties so it kinda evens out.

 

[DavidBL]

I'd agree. He didn't regress but he didn't get any better either..

Can't say I really agree with that. I thought he improved defensively. As much as anyone could with that system.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Zegras should take a 2-3 year deal and prove to everyone hes worth the money hes asking..

 

[Mr Rogers]

Was he ultimately that improved defensively last year. Sure, there were moments when he showed he could be very effective at getting the puck back and stealing but I didn’t think he sustained that over the course of the year. He finished with the 5th worst +/- on the team. If he was better last year, it certainly wasn’t by a lot and it was less than I’d expect he’d improve. I’m not really complaining or worried just saying why I’m with Verbeek on negotiations.

 

[AngelDuck]

Was he ultimately that improved defensively last year. Sure, there were moments when he showed he could be very effective at getting the puck back and stealing but I didn’t think he sustained that over the course of the year. He finished with the 5th worst +/- on the team. If he was better last year, it certainly wasn’t by a lot and it was less than I’d expect he’d improve. I’m not really complaining or worried just saying why I’m with Verbeek on negotiations.

The ducks gave up the most shots in NHL history last year and rarely had the puck. It’s tough to say how good anyone is right this second. I’m fine with a bridge

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

If both parties wanted the same thing this deal would be done already. Pat probably wanted a long term and Zegras didn't, in which case there is really nothing that can be done. The best thing to do would be to appease him and keep him happy and then try to re-sign him long term down the line.

No good reason, I say!

I mean he put up similar numbers on a far worse overall team and without needing terry to score off every second shot to leach assists. He also did it all while being the main target for opposing defenders. I think that’s a solid improvement for a second season.

This was a huge factor. It's a big reason why so many guys have sophomore slumps. The league figures out most guys after their first season and teams find ways to lock them down. The highlights and notoriety amplified that in Zegras' case.

 

[McDonald19]

Pat probably wanted a long term and Zegras didn't, in which case there is really nothing that can be done.

Or the dollar amount Z wanted to commit to 8 years was too high. $9-10 mil.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

I'm actually on the flip side of this; the Ducks want a bridge and Zegras wants term. I'm of the opinion the Ducks want a couple of "prove it" seasons to see if he sustains and/or advances his scoring, and to see if can learn to control his mouth and temper. If he does both, I'm a lot more confident about paying him big money for several more years.

There's definitely logic to that too, which is why I feel like Pat is okay with doing a bridge deal and now it's just the fine details.

 

[cheesymc]

Where other teams are smart and lock up their stars long term, our organization does the opposite. We prefer to take on risks with long term contracts with 34 year olds instead of 22 year olds. I'm sure Z wants close to if not 10million a season, just pay the kid or he is definitely going to walk as soon as there is a chance. But I can see it from Z's point of view... ask for so much money that you get the bridge so you can force a trade to a better organization in a few years.

 

[McDonald19]

Where other teams are smart and lock up their stars long term, our organization does the opposite. We prefer to take on risks with long term contracts with 34 year olds instead of 22 year olds. I'm sure Z wants close to if not 10million a season, just pay the kid or he is definitely going to walk as soon as there is a chance. But I can see it from Z's point of view... ask for so much money that you get the bridge so you can force a trade to a better organization in a few years.

8 x $10 mil. for an undersized center who doesn’t play defense? No thanks.

 

[cheesymc]

8 x $10 mil. for an undersized center who doesn’t play defense? No thanks.

So why are guys like Panarin and Gaudreau in demand and getting paid? Both don't play physical or defend well. You think guys like Bergeron grow on trees? You're overrating our prospect pool if you think we have that type of talent.

 

[goonsaredumb]

So why are guys like Panarin and Gaudreau in demand and getting paid? Both don't play physical or defend well. You think guys like Bergeron grow on trees? You're overrating our prospect pool if you think we have that type of talent.

Panarin and Gaudreau put up point totals that dwarf anything Zegras has come close to before getting those contracts, paying Zegras 10m a year for 8 years for what he's shown so far would be the most idiotic thing our management has ever done, more idiotic than all the small things you complain about on a near constant basis combined.

Could Zegras one day be worth 10m? sure that's why a bridge deal is a good idea

Is Zegras worth anything close to 10m right now? not at all which again is why a bridge deal is a good idea

 

[McDonald19]

So why are guys like Panarin and Gaudreau in demand and getting paid? Both don't play physical or defend well. You think guys like Bergeron grow on trees? You're overrating our prospect pool if you think we have that type of talent.

Those are more proven players. Zegras isn’t there yet. No one is questioning his talent, but he has a lot to work on.

 

[DavidBL]

I think you're over-stating the risks and ignoring the context of those deals. Firstly we have not had a single Star player actually walk away from the team with the exception of PK for very specific reasons. Secondly if you're going to point to guys like Panarin and Gudreau as small, productive players who make a lot of money you need to acknowledge that they are on UFA deals which required them to have 7 years of proven production to get vs the 2 years Z has. Your argument really holds very little water here and I'm the camp of giving Z a long term deal.

 

[cheesymc]

I think you're over-stating the risks and ignoring the context of those deals. Firstly we have not had a single Star player actually walk away from the team with the exception of PK for very specific reasons. Secondly if you're going to point to guys like Panarin and Gudreau as small, productive players who make a lot of money you need to acknowledge that they are on UFA deals which required them to have 7 years of proven production to get vs the 2 years Z has. Your argument really holds very little water here and I'm the camp of giving Z a long term deal.

Right, so you're saying Sanderson's 8x8 contract is ludacris after playing just one season, or why one-dimensional midget Caulfield is also getting nearly 8 million? It seems like you aren't seeing the risks other teams are making in order to retain players. I can understand that Z might not be your type of profile player to gamble on, but the market is showing that offering a 22 year old RFA an 8 year 9+, near 10 million contract is realistic for an offensively gifted player who's score over 60 points back to back seasons on one of the worst teams in the league.

It's ok though, I am hoping that Z is asking for 12+, heck 15 million a year to ensure he gets his bridge. We can continue to enjoy or dump and chase offense and appreciate him on a contending team a few years down the line. I don't want him to waste his good years on a loser like Ohtani has with the Angels.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

If Zegras wants to leaves after his bridge contract to be 1C on NYR the Ducks are screwed. Just pay the kid.

Even the hardly proven Sanderson got 8mil per year.

 

[70sSanO]

I don’t have a problem with a bridge. From both sides it does ensure a more equitable contract for the future.

I will never buy into the overpay a player so they don’t walk. If a player doesn’t want to be here, I don’t want him here. The goal is the Ducks winning a cup. If a player doesn’t buy into that, nothing else matters.

There are also potential problems with underpaying a player. I would think if Jack Hughes consistently puts up 100+ point seasons, and the Devils slide out of the playoffs, he may not be a happy camper.

John

 

[ScarTroy]

If Zegras wants to leaves after his bridge contract to be 1C on NYR the Ducks are screwed. Just pay the kid.

Even the hardly proven Sanderson got 8mil per year.

Didn’t we hear the same thing about Getzlaf and Perry going home to Toronto? There’s zero indication Zegras wants to leave, and if he wants to prove he’s worth more than the long term contract I’m sure he was offered, go for it kid, but you have work to do.

 

[MMC]

Right, so you're saying Sanderson's 8x8 contract is ludacris after playing just one season, or why one-dimensional midget Caulfield is also getting nearly 8 million? It seems like you aren't seeing the risks other teams are making in order to retain players. I can understand that Z might not be your type of profile player to gamble on, but the market is showing that offering a 22 year old RFA an 8 year 9+, near 10 million contract is realistic for an offensively gifted player who's score over 60 points back to back seasons on one of the worst teams in the league.

It's ok though, I am hoping that Z is asking for 12+, heck 15 million a year to ensure he gets his bridge. We can continue to enjoy or dump and chase offense and appreciate him on a contending team a few years down the line. I don't want him to waste his good years on a loser like Ohtani has with the Angels.

If you don’t want people to think you’re a troll, you should avoid posts like the second paragraph

 

[Leonardo87]

If Zegras wants to leaves after his bridge contract to be 1C on NYR the Ducks are screwed. Just pay the kid.

Zibanejad and Trocheck who are signed long term (past when his bridge would be up) are going to prevent that from happening. Also, Chytil can take steps forward to become a solid 2C. Don’t see room for Z on the Rangers.

 

[DavidBL]

Right, so you're saying Sanderson's 8x8 contract is ludacris after playing just one season, or why one-dimensional midget Caulfield is also getting nearly 8 million? It seems like you aren't seeing the risks other teams are making in order to retain players. I can understand that Z might not be your type of profile player to gamble on, but the market is showing that offering a 22 year old RFA an 8 year 9+, near 10 million contract is realistic for an offensively gifted player who's score over 60 points back to back seasons on one of the worst teams in the league.

It's ok though, I am hoping that Z is asking for 12+, heck 15 million a year to ensure he gets his bridge. We can continue to enjoy or dump and chase offense and appreciate him on a contending team a few years down the line. I don't want him to waste his good years on a loser like Ohtani has with the Angels.

I do think those deals are crazy actually. I'm all for a long term deal for Z. At around 8 mill. Not 10. None of the players you listed are near that. If he wants 10 has to prove he's worth it. If he'll sign for 8×8 I'd say do it right now. It's possible PV won't do it. He hasn't given any 8 year deals or it's possible he won't give him more than Terry, or it's possible Z wants ten and knows he can't justify it yet so wants a bridge. We really don't know anything. I'm okay with the team reducing risks. That's what bridge deals were always intended to do.

 

[McDonald19]

If Zegras wants to leaves after his bridge contract to be 1C on NYR the Ducks are screwed. Just pay the kid.

No, he will still be an RFA. He can’t just go be a Ranger when he feels like it.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

No, he will still be an RFA. He can’t just go be a Ranger when he feels like it.

Good. Hopefully by then Verbeek is willing to pay him.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Zibanejad and Trocheck who are signed long term (past when his bridge would be up) are going to prevent that from happening. Also, Chytil can take steps forward to become a solid 2C. Don’t see room for Z on the Rangers.

When you respond to those kind of posts you only encourage more of it. See 316, Dirk.