Yes, but because there is a blend of years (UFA and RFA), the AAV is lower than if it was purely UFA. So when Sanderson (or Zegras) signs an 8 x $8M contract, the AAV is $8M, but effectively they are allocating less than $8M in "value" to the early years and more than $8M to the UFA years. That is the entire point of signing a younger player to the 8 years deal - you get the prime years at a lower AAV because you paid more early on. It is what teams with cap space should do - overpay now to underpay later.
Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III
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Yes, but because there is a blend of years (UFA and RFA), the AAV is lower than if it was purely UFA. So when Sanderson (or Zegras) signs an 8 x $8M contract, the AAV is $8M, but effectively they are allocating less than $8M in "value" to the early years and more than $8M to the UFA years. That is the entire point of signing a younger player to the 8 years deal - you get the prime years at a lower AAV because you paid more early on. It is what teams with cap space should do - overpay now to underpay later.
Not even sure if this is allowed here (doesn't harm anyone so it's not libel) but it's definitely hearsay: someone on the Ducks subreddit using a burner account said that Zegras was at a Ducks practice today at Great Park. Signing imminent? Useless troll? You be the judge.
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Funny, was just going to post this to just give a heads up not to put much stock into this.
It’s pure speculation since it‘s not a legit source. Training camp is in 2 weeks, so something has to give, and soon. Lol.
McDonald19
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Yeah, I saw somewhere else he had arrived at OC Airport.
This is informal practice, he’s getting ready under the assumption his agent gets a contract done before camp starts.
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CrazyDuck4u
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PV is playing hardball. Rightfully so. But he needs to get it done asap
The Midnight Burrito
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Maybe the players are playing hardball.
Makes me wonder if long term deals for both are still on the table. If a bridge (which seems to benefit both parties) is in agreement, should not take this long, imo.
I don’t see a long term deal for Drysdale, especially missing an entire season hurt his value. So it’s really mind-boggling what’s talking so long with his contract alone.
2 weeks to go till camp.
branmuffin17
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I really thought a contract would've been completed by now. Normally I like the GM playing hardball, because lower $ contracts help the team in the long run when you're pushing for a cup run. Murray was so good at this in most cases, thinking about some players like Lindholm and Raks.
That said, in Z's case, while I always value 2-way play and I think Z has plenty in him to become much better on the defensive side, I feel it's in our best interest to lock him up to as long of a contract as we can.
- From all accounts that I've heard/read, the players like him, and his personality is more lively than most other players...he sells tickets.
- His style of play is more cerebral...he's not a power forward getting pummeled all the time.
- His game isn't really based on foot speed, and he's got a sneaky good shot, so I think he's a pretty safe bet to invest in for the long term.
Hoping they just do 8x8 or 8x8.5 and call it a day...unless Z's really serious about a significantly higher amount, which probably isn't justified at this point.
That said, in Z's case, while I always value 2-way play and I think Z has plenty in him to become much better on the defensive side, I feel it's in our best interest to lock him up to as long of a contract as we can.
- From all accounts that I've heard/read, the players like him, and his personality is more lively than most other players...he sells tickets.
- His style of play is more cerebral...he's not a power forward getting pummeled all the time.
- His game isn't really based on foot speed, and he's got a sneaky good shot, so I think he's a pretty safe bet to invest in for the long term.
Hoping they just do 8x8 or 8x8.5 and call it a day...unless Z's really serious about a significantly higher amount, which probably isn't justified at this point.
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Anyone here who thinks that the zegras camp is asking anywhere near 10m a year… it’s very simple, if the zegras camp wants longer term they want maybe maybe half a million more than Hughes with the argument that the cap is about to go up, and that zegras production for this contract is better than Hughes when he got his blah blah. And our gm is starting negotiations saying that he and Terry need to be on par for payment, since Terry is our current best player and proven etc. we either meet in the middle or bridge. That’s fine.
Vipers31
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Man, people have short memories if they feel hardball is not finalizing a contract by the start of prospect camp.
70sSanO
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The Rakell contract was such a lose-lose deal. $3.8m was so one-sided for the team that part of me feels that at some point Raks decided to play to the level of his value.
In the end we got what we paid for.
John
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Gentleman, keep your balls soft until it's time to gather in the locker room.
branmuffin17
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I'm not saying this is like ultimate hardball championships. But when it takes all summer, there's a definite gap in what the GM wants to pay and what the player wants to receive. And while signing anytime before the start of camp (or the start of the official season) might still be fine in the end, the longer this goes on, the more I feel either or both sides might start being less happy, and I think we want our best players as happy as possible so they want to stick around when we move into contention.
Going back to Tampa and how they built their teams, didn't they play big-time hardball with players like Kutcherov?
duckaroosky
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It is amusing that this thread, much like Trevor Zegras himself, is just people non-stop talking. I mean this in a non-rude way and I'm not trying to call anyone out in particular but I keep seeing new posts and I get excited thinking he's signed finally and then I read the new posts and it's just mindless chatter lol
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70sSanO
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We are in the mindless chatter timeframe of the off-season. The draft has come and gone, significant free agency is over, and no trades in sight.
It’s that time of year when we are stuck at a red light and no one else is on the road and it seems like it will never turn green.
John
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I chose to keep Matty Beniers for an 18th round pick in my keeper league over Zegras which would have been an 11th round pick.
Look out for Zegras to take off.
Look out for Zegras to take off.
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