Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Don’t agree that Drysdale will be paid less than 2M although that’d be remarkable

2.5-3 is likely IMo

He was on a solid trajectory before his injury and was a 6th overall pick with considerable upside

You may be right. I just don't see how a guy with no arb rights who missed a whole season with a serious injury would get that much. He looked good at times during his last (only full) season, but the last part of it was pretty brutal. I know they are not direct comparisons, but Terry got less than $2 on his bridge while showing signs of promise but not yet proving it.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

You may be right. I just don't see how a guy with no arb rights who missed a whole season with a serious injury would get that much. He looked good at times during his last (only full) season, but the last part of it was pretty brutal. I know they are not direct comparisons, but Terry got less than $2 on his bridge while showing signs of promise but not yet proving it.

There are signs of promise and then there are signs of promise. A 5th round pick coming off a 26-point (pro-rated) effort as a forward is probably too different from a top-10 pick with a 32-point rookie season as a defenseman to compare, injury season notwithstanding.

 

[MMC]

 

[KelVarnsen]

Funny how a possible 3 or 4 year deal is not “long term.” I guess long term only applies to 7 or 8 years? A lot can happen in 3 years. Z (hopefully) is awesome and the Ducks sign him “long term” or maybe he gets hurt or never becomes elite and the Ducks are happy he only has a 3 year deal. Getz and Pears signed 5 year deals before their “long term” deals and the organization and players benefited IMO.

I just want him signed so the team and player can continue building what appears to be a beneficial relationship (for now).

 

[Ducks DVM]

Funny how a possible 3 or 4 year deal is not “long term.” I guess long term only applies to 7 or 8 years? A lot can happen in 3 years. Z (hopefully) is awesome and the Ducks sign him “long term” or maybe he gets hurt or never becomes elite and the Ducks are happy he only has a 3 year deal. Getz and Pears signed 5 year deals before their “long term” deals and the organization and players benefited IMO.

I just want him signed so the team and player can continue building what appears to be a beneficial relationship (for now).

The Ducks would be idiots to give him a 4 year deal, that walks him right to UFA. A 3 year deal means he has arbitration rights and can take a 1 year deal and walk right to UFA. A 1-2 year deal or a 5-8 year deal are the only sensible moves for the team.

 

[All Mighty]

The Ducks would be idiots to give him a 4 year deal, that walks him right to UFA. A 3 year deal means he has arbitration rights and can take a 1 year deal and walk right to UFA. A 1-2 year deal or a 5-8 year deal are the only sensible moves for the team.

I believe he has 5 years until he’s a UFA, though I could be wrong. If he had played a 25th game in his first pro season, then it would be only 4 years.

EDIT: I can’t find anything about the 25 games thing, but there is this:

 

[Ducks DVM]

I believe he has 5 years until he’s a UFA, though I could be wrong. If he had played a 25th game in his first pro season, then it would be only 4 years.

EDIT: I can’t find anything about the 25 games thing, but there is this:
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Good catch.

 

[Leonardo87]

2 years seems to make the most sense for both parties, keeps him a RFA for another two years, gives him 2 seasons to prove himself, and will also avoid arbitration.

I hope we have to really pay him in a couple of years, it means he is meeting his highest potential. Will have the cap and it’s also going up as well. So will be fine.

 

[DavidBL]

2 years seems to make the most sense for both parties, keeps him a RFA for another two years, gives him 2 seasons to prove himself, and will also avoid arbitration.

I hope we have to really pay him in a couple of years, it means he is meeting his highest potential. Will have the cap and it’s also going up as well. So will be fine.

As someone else mentioned he has 5 years to UFA due to the fact that his first year he was not in the roster for 40 games so he has only accrued 2 years to UFA. The bridge could go to 3 years.

 

[Leonardo87]

As someone else mentioned he has 5 years to UFA due to the fact that his first year he was not in the roster for 40 games so he has only accrued 2 years to UFA. The bridge could go to 3 years.

Want to keep it at 2 years to avoid arbitration.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

So I just listened to the first Etem Up episode (from mid-August) and actually it was pretty good. He's funny at times. He said that Sopel (the two-hander to the teeth comment about Z) belonged on a no-fly list and that he would be hated in a room full of people playing NHL23. Etem's theory for the holdup on Z's contract was that they were negotiating the number of Michigans Z would score.

 

[DavidBL]

So I just listened to the first Etem Up episode (from mid-August) and actually it was pretty good. He's funny at times. He said that Sopel (the two-hander to the teeth comment about Z) belonged on a no-fly list and that he would be hated in a room full of people playing NHL23. Etem's theory for the holdup on Z's contract was that they were negotiating the number of Michigans Z would score.

Nice. Where is it posted?

 

[All Mighty]

So I just listened to the first Etem Up episode (from mid-August) and actually it was pretty good. He's funny at times. He said that Sopel (the two-hander to the teeth comment about Z) belonged on a no-fly list and that he would be hated in a room full of people playing NHL23. Etem's theory for the holdup on Z's contract was that they were negotiating the number of Michigans Z would score.

I like the energy/vibe of his episodes. Only thing that irks me is he really likes to repeat phrases for extra emphasis, and he does it a lot.

 

[Gliff]

3 or 4 years is dumb. Both can put the Ducks in the same situation other teams have gotten in where the player goes arbitration for 1 year and says they wont sign anything more then 1 year on their last RFA contract forcing a trade.

They need to do a 1-2 year show-me deal and then pay the kid.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Nice. Where is it posted?

Anywhere you get podcasts, I guess. I just searched for Etem Up on pocket casts and it was there.

 

[Vipers31]

3 or 4 years is dumb. Both can put the Ducks in the same situation other teams have gotten in where the player goes arbitration for 1 year and says they wont sign anything more then 1 year on their last RFA contract forcing a trade.

They need to do a 1-2 year show-me deal and then pay the kid.

Agreed, and I really don’t see them discussing a 3/4 year term too much. That would already be long-term enough for the Ducks to have to pay for potential, and it seems like they don’t want to do that. Sure, there’s less risk with four years, but I don’t see that being the point. Two years seems like a natural fit. Zegras gets to show his worth and development, the Ducks don’t have to pay him more than their current best player until he (hopefully) becomes that.

 

[Leonardo87]

3 or 4 years is dumb. Both can put the Ducks in the same situation other teams have gotten in where the player goes arbitration for 1 year and says they wont sign anything more then 1 year on their last RFA contract forcing a trade.

They need to do a 1-2 year show-me deal and then pay the kid.

Could not have said it any better than this.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Agreed, and I really don’t see them discussing a 3/4 year term too much. That would already be long-term enough for the Ducks to have to pay for potential, and it seems like they don’t want to do that. Sure, there’s less risk with four years, but I don’t see that being the point. Two years seems like a natural fit. Zegras gets to show his worth and development, the Ducks don’t have to pay him more than their current best player until he (hopefully) becomes that.

I haven't seen this aspect discussed at all. Not every GM thinks this way, but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the reasons Verbeek is open to a short term deal is to keep the AAV lower than Terry's deal for the time being.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Guys, there's just no good reason. Why aren't we losing our marbles like the rest of Twitter?

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Guys, there's just no good reason. Why aren't we losing our marbles like the rest of Twitter?

If both parties wanted the same thing this deal would be done already. Pat probably wanted a long term and Zegras didn't, in which case there is really nothing that can be done. The best thing to do would be to appease him and keep him happy and then try to re-sign him long term down the line.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Nobody has any idea what conversations have been had by either side. People need to stop thinking everything is PV's fault because he isn't giving away the farm like Dubas did in Toronto. The concept of paying guys after they prove themselves is a breath of fresh air these days.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Zegras did not have a good season last year I thought. I’m all in with PV on this one

 

[Bergey37]

If both parties wanted the same thing this deal would be done already. Pat probably wanted a long term and Zegras didn't, in which case there is really nothing that can be done. The best thing to do would be to appease him and keep him happy and then try to re-sign him long term down the line.

I'm actually on the flip side of this; the Ducks want a bridge and Zegras wants term. I'm of the opinion the Ducks want a couple of "prove it" seasons to see if he sustains and/or advances his scoring, and to see if can learn to control his mouth and temper. If he does both, I'm a lot more confident about paying him big money for several more years.

 

[Leonardo87]

I Love Z, but he is not Jack Hughes.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Zegras did not have a good season last year I thought. I’m all in with PV on this one

I'd agree. He didn't regress but he didn't get any better either..