Player Discussion Trent Frederic

[GoBs]

Yeah I’d say a bit under 2 is fair on a 2 year deal.
Imagine Freddy asking for $4mill with a straight face lol

I agree, if Montgomery settles on line combinations. These guys are playing up and down the lineup every game.
Last, put the original fourth line back together. Now Montgomery is down to benching Beecher because the flames scored on their power play when he was on the ice.

 

[PlayMakers]

Trade Carlo for Michael Kesselring. Saves 3M on cap this year and next.

I don't watch enough Utah to know how Kesselring compares to Carlo but if they're similar (or Kesselring is better) why would Utah give up a younger, cheaper, (better) player? If we have to add, how much? Will there be anything left to offer up for help at forward?

Just seems to me the effort and assets would be better spent on a more impactful addition. We have four top4 D. We don't have six top6 forwards.

 

[Hookslide]

I agree, if Montgomery settles on line combinations. These guys are playing up and down the lineup every game.
Last, put the original fourth line back together. Now Montgomery is down to benching Beecher because the flames scored on their power play when he was on the ice.

This is why some prospects do not develop in Boston, then move on seem like different players. Beecher has played well this year, nice reward 6 minutes.

 

[jgatie]

This is why some prospects do not develop in Boston, then move on seem like different players. Beecher has played well this year, nice reward 6 minutes.

Name one prospect who did not develop in Boston but became a "different player" elsewhere. Just one.

 

[Hookslide]

Name one prospect who did not develop in Boston but became a "different player" elsewhere. Just one.

Hamilton who I am not a fan of anyways.

 

[Kegs]

Hamilton who I am not a fan of anyways.

He was pretty solid for his age in Boston. I liked him. He is probably elite at this point though. I’d love to have Hamilton. I think he was asking too much $ for Sweeneys liking.

 

[Over the volcano]

Name one prospect who did not develop in Boston but became a "different player" elsewhere. Just one.

Vatrano and Donato come to kind but that's probably just because they rhyme

 

[Hookslide]

He was pretty solid for his age in Boston. I liked him. He is probably elite at this point though. I’d love to have Hamilton. I think he was asking too much $ for Sweeneys liking.

I think there was also some personality issues there also. But what do I know.

 

[22Brad Park]

I agree. I've argued for Zacha at center several times this year, but that line is going to need more than Tyler Johnson to beat other team's first lines.

Pair 'em up...

Zacha-Pasta
Marchand-Lindholm
Coyle-Poitras

I had Frederic on the third pair at the start of the season but after doing the cap math for next year I think they should move him.

Send him home to.St Louis for Bolduc Blues hang up the phone maybe

 

[jgatie]

Vatrano and Donato come to kind but that's probably just because they rhyme

Neither one are "different players".

Hamilton who I am not a fan of anyways.

In what way is Hamilton different now than he was for the Bruins?

 

[Over the volcano]

Neither one are "different players".

?

Vatrano peaked at 10g 18pts for Boston - last year he had 37 and 60

Donato's got more goals this year than any Bruin

 

[jgatie]

?

Vatrano peaked at 10g 18pts for Boston - last year he had 37 and 60

Donato's got more goals this year than any Bruin

Look at the rest of their years away from Boston. They didn't change just because they left the Bruins.

 

[Over the volcano]

Ever since he was a kid he's been a defensive minded forward, this year his most common line mates have been Geekie and Poitras. Not hard to figure why his offensive #s would be down

 

[Blowfish]

I saw him on the ice...

 

[LSCII]

Name one prospect who did not develop in Boston but became a "different player" elsewhere. Just one.

Blake Wheeler is one that fits this criteria.

Freddie now -11 in 16 games? Yikes.

 

[jgatie]

Blake Wheeler is one that fits this criteria.

Freddie now -11 in 16 games? Yikes.

From 15 years ago and traded for a key component in a Cup win? Wow, our development of prospects sure is a mess.

 

[Hookslide]

From 15 years ago and traded for a key component in a Cup win? Wow, our development of prospects sure is a mess.

You know firing the coach is always the solution since man kind and then it isn't the solution when it isn't. Fire the coach, fire the GM, who is in charge of this cluster f***, and or start making trades, BOLD TRADES. Now Sweeneys predicament is the longer you wait, and this shit continues, the less and less leverage you have. There are several players on this team that I have supported and will hopefully be able too honestly continue to do so, but if I am being honest everyone should be available and these so-called BOLD TRADE IDEAS out there.

 

[jgatie]

You know firing the coach is always the solution since man kind and then it isn't the solution when it isn't. Fire the coach, fire the GM, who is in charge of this cluster f***, and or start making trades, BOLD TRADES. Now Sweeneys predicament is the longer you wait, and this shit continues, the less and less leverage you have. There are several players on this team that I have supported and will hopefully be able too honestly continue to do so, but if I am being honest everyone should be available and these so-called BOLD TRADE IDEAS out there.

What does this tirade have to do with your claim that Bruins prospects become completely different players once they leave the Bruins?

 

[LSCII]

From 15 years ago and traded for a key component in a Cup win? Wow, our development of prospects sure is a mess.

You asked for one, not when? As for the lack of prospects leaving and becoming better players elsewhere, it's more indicative of them failing to draft well vs not developing well, no?

 

[elMatador]

I saw him on the ice...

You did?
I saw a #11 jersey floating with a ghost in it.

 

[jgatie]

You asked for one, not when? As for the lack of prospects leaving and becoming better players elsewhere, it's more indicative of them failing to draft well vs not developing well, no?

I never gave an opinion either way, nor will I now. I only questioned OP's statement that a large number of prospects go elsewhere and become different players, which is complete bullshit. Matter of fact, I can count far more that go elsewhere and regress.

 

[BruinDust]

No one should be worried about Trent Frederic going elsewhere and suddenly becoming a different player.

 

[NDiesel]

No one should be worried about Trent Frederic going elsewhere and suddenly becoming a different player.

I dont know, I feel like he's going to go to a coach who wants him to be more physical more often and he'll end up better than here.

 

[CDJ]

No one should be worried about Trent Frederic going elsewhere and suddenly becoming a different player.

You say that now but he’ll end up a panther and be a nightmare

 

[BruinDust]

You say that now but he’ll end up a panther and be a nightmare

I don't care where he goes. Far away from Boston. 8+ years now of talking about this players potential because he drops the gloves from time-to-time. I give him some credit for standing up for his teammates.

I dont know, I feel like he's going to go to a coach who wants him to be more physical more often and he'll end up better than here.

His physicality isn't the issue. He finishes his checks consistently enough. Now most of the time these hits are inconsequential and well after the puck is gone, but he's adequately physical. He was never going to be Milan Lucic like some think he should be.

His issue has always been everything else. His first few strides are awful, always long elongate strides, not quick strides to get up to speed fast. Consistently beaten to loose pucks. Lateral movement, side-to-side agility are also terrible.

He's an OK defensive player but nothing special. His offensive IQ is poor and he's a disaster with the puck on his stick in the offensive zone. No Bruins misses simple easy pass receptions like he does. He's good for 2-3 passes a game that he can't get his stick on that he should. His puck pick-ups are barely NHL caliber. Has a decent wrist shot but never uses it. I don't think he's ever scored a goal off a slapper or one-timer.

If there are teams out there who see value in this soon-to-be UFA Sweeney should be all over it. Instead he'll likely extend him because they think he fits the vision of what they want to do here.