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CDJ said:
Last I checked -5.9 saves above expected while Korpisalo was above water behind the same defense says otherwise.
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So wait, let me get this straight. First it was Korpi has a way better SV% than Sway, so Sway sucks. Then that got close enough to be a wash, so it shifted to Sway's GAA sucks compared to Korpi's, so Sway sucks. Now that it's again a wash on both fronts, we're onto made up subjective bullshit stats as proof? JFC man, I can't keep up with whatever subjective nonsense people want to throw against the wall here. Expected saves? Who's watching and charting these shots? How is it normalized across different spotters? It's absurd to toss that out as if it's anything definitive. It's made up nonsense that fits your narrative.

And to bring this all back, it's funny how you suddenly call Freddy a third line player when he's not performing. Surely you have some advanced stat that can talk to the expected goals and points from him versus the actual production to show me why he has value, no?
 
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LSCII said:
So wait, let me get this straight. First it was Korpi has a way better SV% than Sway, so Sway sucks. Then that got close enough to be a wash, so it shifted to Sway's GAA sucks compared to Korpi's, so Sway sucks. Now that it's again a wash on both fronts, we're onto made up subjective bullshit stats as proof? JFC man, I can't keep up with whatever subjective nonsense people want to throw against the wall here. Expected saves? Who's watching and charting these shots? How is it normalized across different spotters? It's absurd to toss that out as if it's anything definitive. It's made up nonsense that fits your narrative.

And to bring this all back, it's funny how you suddenly call Freddy a third line player when he's not performing. Surely you have some advanced stat that can talk to the expected goals and points from him versus the actual production to show me why he has value, no?
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If you don't understand advanced stats just say so lol. It isn't based on spotters watching the game. Also how is a stat subjective?
 
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LSCII said:
So wait, let me get this straight. First it was Korpi has a way better SV% than Sway, so Sway sucks. Then that got close enough to be a wash, so it shifted to Sway's GAA sucks compared to Korpi's, so Sway sucks. Now that it's again a wash on both fronts, we're onto made up subjective bullshit stats as proof? JFC man, I can't keep up with whatever subjective nonsense people want to throw against the wall here. Expected saves? Who's watching and charting these shots? How is it normalized across different spotters? It's absurd to toss that out as if it's anything definitive. It's made up nonsense that fits your narrative.

And to bring this all back, it's funny how you suddenly call Freddy a third line player when he's not performing. Surely you have some advanced stat that can talk to the expected goals and points from him versus the actual production to show me why he has value, no?
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For argument's sake let's not bring in the goalie play, I think we can all agree that the play in front of them is horrible, I was so wrong about this defense, thought they would be solid, you cannot win if you cannot score, no matter what the goaltending is like. Now I want to point out when Swayman, and I am not blaming for his contract, but I did say at the time, if you overpay for a goaltender, you do have any cap space for skaters in front of him and I am being proven right. I am not brining this up to be a "I told you so" but the facts are the facts.
 
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LSCII said:
So wait, let me get this straight. First it was Korpi has a way better SV% than Sway, so Sway sucks. Then that got close enough to be a wash, so it shifted to Sway's GAA sucks compared to Korpi's, so Sway sucks. Now that it's again a wash on both fronts, we're onto made up subjective bullshit stats as proof? JFC man, I can't keep up with whatever subjective nonsense people want to throw against the wall here. Expected saves? Who's watching and charting these shots? How is it normalized across different spotters? It's absurd to toss that out as if it's anything definitive. It's made up nonsense that fits your narrative.

And to bring this all back, it's funny how you suddenly call Freddy a third line player when he's not performing. Surely you have some advanced stat that can talk to the expected goals and points from him versus the actual production to show me why he has value, no?
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Swayman has been bad, fact not opinion. It is what it is.

I would like you to point me to where I ever said Trent was a top 6 guy. *Maybe* I said middle 6 at some point last year. He’s been a 3rd liner in my view for the majority of his career

Listen you’re complaining about him picking on a “non-fighter” with 83 career fights. You’re not in a position to be calling me disingenuous
 
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Frederic has value but he’s not right for this team, IMO. I’d have no problem if we traded him but I have little faith that Sweeney has the brains to get what we need in return. So, I don’t know where this leaves us.
 
Hookslide said:
For argument's sake let's not bring in the goalie play, I think we can all agree that the play in front of them is horrible, I was so wrong about this defense, thought they would be solid, you cannot win if you cannot score, no matter what the goaltending is like. Now I want to point out when Swayman, and I am not blaming for his contract, but I did say at the time, if you overpay for a goaltender, you do have any cap space for skaters in front of him and I am being proven right. I am not brining this up to be a "I told you so" but the facts are the facts.
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I think the issue is how protracted the talks were. The Bruins ended up capitulating and giving him what he wanted, so in the end, why did the feel the need to drag it out through camp? Seems pointless and silly to pay a guy that kind of dough and then put him and the team in a bad spot by having him not play a second of the preseason.

Now, as for the defense, they're f***ing horrendous. It's bad. But you're absolutely right about the lack of scoring really screwing them. That's what happens when you backfill top 6 roles with bottom 6 players though. They got cocky after last year where a few of those kinds of guys had career seasons. They thought those guys would continue the trend instead of it being the anomaly in their careers. That's on management on both accounts. Not having enough talent on the roster and then expecting guys to only get better.
 
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LouJersey said:
Not his fault McAvoy sucks. At least he tried to do something to wake this sad sack group up
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Yep: credit where it's due, and I've been with you on being a tough on Freddy this season. He played a decent game last night, especially compared to the standard he's set this year. I hope it continues- an awake, engaged Freddy is a difference maker for the team.
 
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CDJ said:
Swayman has been bad, fact not opinion. It is what it is.

I would like you to point me to where I ever said Trent was a top 6 guy. *Maybe* I said middle 6 at some point last year. He’s been a 3rd liner in my view for the majority of his career

Listen you’re complaining about him picking on a “non-fighter” with 83 career fights. You’re not in a position to be calling me disingenuous
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It is disingenuous to classify Perry as a fighter, and you know that. He's got 83 fights in 20+ years. Wow. What a fight card. LOFL

Sway hasn't been great. But given his numbers are literally the same as the other guy, I put it on the team defense. Not just the defensive players, but the forwards lack of attention to the defensive aspects as well. It's poorly executed and poorly coached, IMO. Maybe if Freddy contributed to playing a better all around game, his lack of production wouldn't be as impactful?
 
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LSCII said:
It is disingenuous to classify Perry as a fighter, and you know that. He's got 83 fights in 20+ years. Wow. What a fight card. LOFL

Sway hasn't been great. But given his numbers are literally the same as the other guy, I put it on the team defense. Not just the defensive players, but the forwards lack of attention to the defensive aspects as well. It's poorly executed and poorly coached, IMO. Maybe if Freddy contributed to playing a better all around game, his lack of production wouldn't be as impactful?
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Again he fought 9 times a couple years ago, that’s A LOT of fights in a season in the modern game. Hes not a *good* fighter but he’s not some non-fighter like Gustafsson, Perry knows what he’s doing and has been in the situation a lot more than Frederic has in his career
 
Perry is a shitbag that deserved whatever he got there. What we likely didn't see was some sneaky rat move that pissed Trent off and good for him for not letting it go. Who cares if Perry isn't Bob Probert? Trent showed some life and I was happy to see it as it has been missing for most of this season.
 
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It is disingenuous to classify Perry as a fighter, and you know that. He's got 83 fights in 20+ years. Wow. What a fight card. LOFL

Sway hasn't been great. But given his numbers are literally the same as the other guy, I put it on the team defense. Not just the defensive players, but the forwards lack of attention to the defensive aspects as well. It's poorly executed and poorly coached, IMO. Maybe if Freddy contributed to playing a better all around game, his lack of production wouldn't be as impactful?
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It's disingenuous to call Freddy a spot picker but that hasn't stopped you from doing that either.
 
Dr Hook said:
Perry is a shitbag that deserved whatever he got there. What we likely didn't see was some sneaky rat move that pissed Trent off and good for him for not letting it go. Who cares if Perry isn't Bob Probert? Trent showed some life and I was happy to see it as it has been missing for most of this season.
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Exactly. I get the overall frustration with his game- he’s been mostly lifeless this year. I’d trade him at the deadline if I was Sweeney. But these last few games he’s been a lot more engaged and he’s one of the only players that showed a pulse yesterday.
 
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CDJ said:
Exactly. I get the overall frustration with his game- he’s been mostly lifeless this year. I’d trade him at the deadline if I was Sweeney. But these last few games he’s been a lot more engaged and he’s one of the only players that showed a pulse yesterday.
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He has one point and seven shots in the last five games lol.
 
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Bad Hat Harry said:
He has one point and seven shots in the last five games lol.
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I don't think anyone is saying he has been good, just that he waking up finally, and maybe this is prelude to him getting going. I am expecting a slide back into the spirit world, but he could have a strong second half of the season which the team needs from him and a few others.
 
Dr Hook said:
Yep: credit where it's due, and I've been with you on being a tough on Freddy this season. He played a decent game last night, especially compared to the standard he's set this year. I hope it continues- an awake, engaged Freddy is a difference maker for the team.
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He's played better since Brazeau was put on his line.

I think I've said that before.
 
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Perry is a shitbag that deserved whatever he got there. What we likely didn't see was some sneaky rat move that pissed Trent off and good for him for not letting it go. Who cares if Perry isn't Bob Probert? Trent showed some life and I was happy to see it as it has been missing for most of this season.
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Is it about Trent Frederic or the Boston Bruins? I'm confused.

Because if it was Frederic making sure he sent Perry a message right there and then, then it's about Trent Frederic and not his team. Same as the Gustavsson fight. It's becomes about Frederic's ego and not the team he's playing for.

If Perry did him dirty fine, wait until later in the game to send your message. Not put your team down a man against McDavid and Draisaitl in a 1 goal winnable hockey game in the middle of the 2nd period.
 
BruinDust said:
Is it about Trent Frederic or the Boston Bruins? I'm confused.

Because if it was Frederic making sure he sent Perry a message right there and then, then it's about Trent Frederic and not his team. Same as the Gustavsson fight. It's becomes about Frederic's ego and not the team he's playing for.

If Perry did him dirty fine, wait until later in the game to send your message. Not put your team down a man against McDavid and Draisaitl in a 1 goal winnable hockey game in the middle of the 2nd period.
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I have no idea here. I don't have a problem with what Trent did. Maybe Perry did something to a linemate. They kill that penalty if they weren't shit on the PK at the moment and giving the puck away. I get that you really don't like Trent, and I am not his biggest fan either, but I'll give him this one. Your mileage may vary :laugh:
 
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Bad Hat Harry said:
He has one point and seven shots in the last five games lol.
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I didn’t say he was lighting the world on fire, just that he’s been noticeably better and has been more consistently engaged the last few games. I don’t think that’s been an assessment unique to me either.
 
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