Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[BruinsFanSince94]

Why is it so hard to fathom that players can potentially develop at a different pace. And my original comparison was to point out that in his first stint Marchand's game looked a lot like Freddy's , both were agitators who didn't score much and took some silly penalties. And tbh I think most here would be happy if Frederic could produce at half the rate of what Marchand produces. If you want to continue to twist the simple comparison out of context be my guest.

If Frederic could produce at half the rate as Marchand, he would be a Top 6 forward.

Marchand’s first stint wasn’t productive like Frederic’s. However, Marchand’s AHL production was far and away better than Frederic. He put up 0.75 PPG in his rookie season for Providence. The same season he played 20 games for Boston, which was his 2nd professional year, he produced at a 0.94 for Providence. Then made the team the following year out of camp and the rest is history.

Marchand = 0.81 PPG in Providence
Frederic = 0.51 PPG in Providence

Also, Frederic had a 15 game stint, a quick 2 games the following year and this year was in/out of the lineup.

59 career NHL games, 5 points. That’s a 0.08 PPG pace. Take out his 17 previous games where he obviously was not ready and he still only produced at a 0.12 PPG pace.

Players obviously develop at different paces but I think Frederic/Marchand isn’t worth it. Different players with different career paths. Trent seems to be developing as a 4th liner that you hope can become a agitating/physical 3rd liner who gives you 25-30 points.

 

[Over the volcano]

It was cool to have a guy willing to go around and mess with established veteran players and also asking for fights.

Didnt last long. Not sure if coaching staff and/or referrees told him to tamp it down or if he just lost some steam.

Think he definitely got that message - and he listened, and was less effective for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got some blowback directly or indirectly after Wilson blew up Carlo (which was 100 frustration after getting clowned by Frederic).

 

[JerseyBruin]

Hold on a minute. It was YOU who brought it up! You’re seriously gonna be indignant when it was a comparison YOU made that people are (correctly) pointing out as flawed?

No I did not. I simply stated that when Marchand started his career here , he was viewed as a pest and predominately played that role in his first stint similarly to what Frederic's role is/was. Everyone else here is taking extreme liberties with that statement and twisting it to say how dare you compare the two players. I never said Frederic will develop into the player Marchand will be , I'm just saying players evolve and develop at different paces and that there is still a chance Frederic evolves into a better player than he is right now.

 

[JerseyBruin]

If Frederic could produce at half the rate as Marchand, he would be a Top 6 forward.

Marchand’s first stint wasn’t productive like Frederic’s. However, Marchand’s AHL production was far and away better than Frederic. He put up 0.75 PPG in his rookie season for Providence. The same season he played 20 games for Boston, which was his 2nd professional year, he produced at a 0.94 for Providence. Then made the team the following year out of camp and the rest is history.

Marchand = 0.81 PPG in Providence
Frederic = 0.51 PPG in Providence

Also, Frederic had a 15 game stint, a quick 2 games the following year and this year was in/out of the lineup.

59 career NHL games, 5 points. That’s a 0.08 PPG pace. Take out his 17 previous games where he obviously was not ready and he still only produced at a 0.12 PPG pace.

Players obviously develop at different paces but I think Frederic/Marchand isn’t worth it. Different players with different career paths. Trent seems to be developing as a 4th liner that you hope can become a agitating/physical 3rd liner who gives you 25-30 points.

Not trying to be obtuse but isn't .51 more than half of .81. Again everyone is missing the context of my initial comparison, I'm not saying Frederic will become another Marchand I was just comparing their initial stints and the impressions they raised.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

2 firsts to get out from under a terrible contract and get a good player back on an expiring deal.

Who has a terrible contract?

 

[LSCII]

It’s the cehlarik random cult following all over again

Oooh. Can they get HIM back???

 

[LSCII]

If Frederic could produce at half the rate as Marchand, he would be a Top 6 forward.

Marchand’s first stint wasn’t productive like Frederic’s. However, Marchand’s AHL production was far and away better than Frederic. He put up 0.75 PPG in his rookie season for Providence. The same season he played 20 games for Boston, which was his 2nd professional year, he produced at a 0.94 for Providence. Then made the team the following year out of camp and the rest is history.

Marchand = 0.81 PPG in Providence
Frederic = 0.51 PPG in Providence

Also, Frederic had a 15 game stint, a quick 2 games the following year and this year was in/out of the lineup.

59 career NHL games, 5 points. That’s a 0.08 PPG pace. Take out his 17 previous games where he obviously was not ready and he still only produced at a 0.12 PPG pace.

Players obviously develop at different paces but I think Frederic/Marchand isn’t worth it. Different players with different career paths. Trent seems to be developing as a 4th liner that you hope can become a agitating/physical 3rd liner who gives you 25-30 points.

Well stated and spot on, IMO…

 

[Kalus]

Who has a terrible contract?

Coyle (not sure if you are messing with me).

 

[Smitty93]

If Frederic could produce at half the rate as Marchand, he would be a Top 6 forward.

Marchand’s first stint wasn’t productive like Frederic’s. However, Marchand’s AHL production was far and away better than Frederic. He put up 0.75 PPG in his rookie season for Providence. The same season he played 20 games for Boston, which was his 2nd professional year, he produced at a 0.94 for Providence. Then made the team the following year out of camp and the rest is history.

Marchand = 0.81 PPG in Providence
Frederic = 0.51 PPG in Providence

Also, Frederic had a 15 game stint, a quick 2 games the following year and this year was in/out of the lineup.

59 career NHL games, 5 points. That’s a 0.08 PPG pace. Take out his 17 previous games where he obviously was not ready and he still only produced at a 0.12 PPG pace.

Players obviously develop at different paces but I think Frederic/Marchand isn’t worth it. Different players with different career paths. Trent seems to be developing as a 4th liner that you hope can become a agitating/physical 3rd liner who gives you 25-30 points.

I think there's another factor too, and that's style of play. Marchand had speed and skill, where you could see the potential for more offense. It's kind of similar to how Bjork always looked like he was capable of producing more. With Frederic, it's just hard to see. In college, Frederic had a great wrist shot and he had the size, strength, and speed to take the puck to the net. I haven't gotten to see him in Providence, but in the NHL he's not playing like the college version, which looked like there was more offensive potential.

Frederic has moments where his shot has appeared, but the rest of his offensive game is invisible for the most part. I mostly only notice him when he's hitting someone or annoying them verbally.

It's only been 59 career games, so it's certainly possible he could flip a switch, but with young players, you look for moments where the potential shows through, and Frederic simply hasn't had many of those.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Coyle (not sure if you are messing with me).

I really didn't know.

Your post didn't include any specific names. For some reason I thought you were talking about Debrusk.

 

[FabulousLysell]

2 firsts to get out from under a terrible contract and get a good player back on an expiring deal.

Kadri is not welcomed here by many including me.

 

[ODAAT]

I think there's another factor too, and that's style of play. Marchand had speed and skill, where you could see the potential for more offense. It's kind of similar to how Bjork always looked like he was capable of producing more. With Frederic, it's just hard to see. In college, Frederic had a great wrist shot and he had the size, strength, and speed to take the puck to the net. I haven't gotten to see him in Providence, but in the NHL he's not playing like the college version, which looked like there was more offensive potential.

Frederic has moments where his shot has appeared, but the rest of his offensive game is invisible for the most part. I mostly only notice him when he's hitting someone or annoying them verbally.

It's only been 59 career games, so it's certainly possible he could flip a switch, but with young players, you look for moments where the potential shows through, and Frederic simply hasn't had many of those.

going bold here, predict Bjork puts up 40-50 pts next year

 

[Smitty93]

going bold here, predict Bjork puts up 40-50 pts next year

Not sure I see 50 points, but I definitely wouldn't be surpised to see him put up 15G/25A.

 

[FabulousLysell]

going bold here, predict Bjork puts up 40-50 pts next year

Not sure I see 50 points, but I definitely wouldn't be surpised to see him put up 15G/25A.

I’d have to disagree. I see 25-30 points.

 

[finchster]

Bjork could put up a lot of points in Buffalo. They are going to be trash, and he will be put in a position to score (top 6 consistently), unlike in Boston.

If he doesn't score this season, he is a lost cause.

 

[Saxon Eric]

Kid had Covid and a mysterious illness this season, I suggest we take a step back from the hot takes and give the kid a full season before making the final determination if he sucks or not

 

[Saxon Eric]

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

That’s what I want to hear from Frederic. Also crazy about the illness and such. Look forward to seeing him this season with hopefully that behind him and better skating.

 

[Flannelman]

Good info to know.
I want to be optimistic but he’s got to prove it

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Frederic 'Striving Towards' Finding His Place in Bruins Lineup

 

[Blowfish]

I thought he worked on his skating last year?

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Most players try and work on aspects of their game every summer.

 

[JerseyBruin]

I thought he worked on his skating last year?

Its something players really never stop working on.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Don’t loose faith in this player. He is just what we need. He will be a good player for us and even better in the playoffs

 

[BruinDust]

If he can improve his skating he should be the 4th line center next year. For his career he's 51.7% on draws. Take out that small stint as a 21-year old and he's even better. Would of been 4th on the Bruins last year (behind 37, 46 and 52)?

On a side note.....Patrice Bergeron was an insane 62.2% last year. Surpassing his previous career high of 62.1% in 2012-12 (ironically another year he finished 2nd for the Selke).