Micklebot
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Redden was working from out west right? I could see them wanting someone that would be here full time if that's the case.
As for Winchester, I always liked him, but have no idea if he's good or not
Management Travis Green [Head Coach]
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As for Winchester, I always liked him, but have no idea if he's good or not
Yorkie seems to say things without thinking first. I doubt he will get much inside info due to that characteristic.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Nice to see they're cleaning house imo, even if a couple of those guys are household names. This franchise has achieved nothing for a long time, so might as well start fresh.
Stylizer1
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Does Staios carry the same philosophy as Dohrion/Murray where you only hire coaches who lack big league experience as to control them better? He is a rookie NHL GM. Green seems like that type of hire. I just hope we don't end up getting 4 more seasons of inconsistent play like we did under Dohrion.
Tuna99
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Staois fired them both a few days after taking over so I dont think they share the same philosophy.
And big games, Travis Green is center stage for maybe the greatest Sens hilite of all time - you don’t create memories like that with people you can control
Yak
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I think the Reds thing is more of him being full-time here. We need somebody who's going to be a consultant 24/7 on this defense along with the coaches. We don't need half in the game and half out of the game. All or nothing. If Jacques Martin can do it so can Reds. From the sounds of it he's got a pretty good gig going on with no shortage of things to do or people to pay him. He's also got that fat wallet of Ranger money that he doesn't need to sweat anything. It's not like he was aiming for a coaching job or anything. The fact we had them back for a little job. Whatever and he's on the good side of the team is nice to know. Let's just keep it at that. We only want people that are 110% committed to the team here. Anyways. Let him be alumni and do whatever the hell he wants to do with his life.
Golden_Jet
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I'm pretty sure that $$$ played a huge role for both rather than Philosophy. In Murray's case the one coach it seemed that he really wanted and had a broad set of options to choose from was Paul MacLean. And Mac certainly wasn't 'controllable' haha. He also didn't lack big league experience.
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Well, you did pose a question about whether Staios held the philosophy of hiring coaches without big league experience as a means to control them.
Travis Green has big league coaching experience, hence my comment about not being a rookie, so I guess that answers your question.
Never change.Green is a garbage coach which fits payroll. 5-15 is coming as always. We should rename Sens as 5-15 team!!
BigRig4
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Friedge this morning says he’s hearing Alfie, Yeo, Baumgartner, Sexton as assistants.
Golden_Jet
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Ya, that’s the speculation for a week now, could be waiting on Alfie to make a decision before announcing, the new coaches.
Tuna99
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Weird Shaun Donovan might be leaving just as his son is arriving, or maybe he’s leaving because his son is arriving.
Mann drafted Jorio knowing Shaun Donovan’s character so you’d hope the Donovan’s get to stick around Ottawa because Dono is the best guy ever
Stylizer1
Teflon Don
So you misquoted me. Travis has coached in league. Boucher also coached in the league and was more successful. Staios is the rookie GM hiring a coach that doesn't have much of a track record to get us to the next level. Kind of like the last 8 seasons.
Micklebot
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Well, he didn't quote you... so there's that,
Fun fact, Green is the third most experienced Head coaching hire in team history, behind Murray and Hartsburg, He's got more HC experience that Berube had coming into St.Louis, than Cooper had when he came to Tbay, than Montgomery had heading into Dallas or Boston, than Bednar heading into Colorado, than Knaublauch or Woodcroft had heading into Edm, than Keefe had heading into Toronto, than Roy had heading into NYI or Col, than Dean Evanson currently has or had heading into the wild, than Sullivan had heading into the Pens, than Brunnette had heading into Nsh, than Cassisdy had before making a name for himself with the Bruins, or than Arniel has heading into the Jets,
Measuring coaches by their win record is a myopic approach. Coaches get brought in at different stages in a teams development, with different team goals and expectations. Good teams look beyond experience at the NHL level, or their W/L record while here, and hire coaches based on what they actually bring to the table.
Time will tell how good of a hire Green is,
My bad, I thought you were trying to compare Staios to Dorion by saying that Travis Green lacked “big league experience” like DJ did.
Stylizer1
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you can make this argument in any league around world. The difference is most of the coaches you referenced were hired following the teams Firing of an established coach who consistently led the team into the playoffs, conference finals, or cup. When an established team needs a new voice those coaches were the replacement. What I am saying is at what point do we, the team in a 15 year retooling/rebuilding get to have a proven established coach to actually get us better results. I'm tired of time will tell hires.
This is a your kid is uglier than mine reasoning.
Micklebot
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Cooper replaced Boucher who made the playoffs only once and had no prior experience and had replaced Tochett who had limited experience and certainly no years of success., Sullivan replaced Johnston who made the playoffs once before getting fired, and had no prior experience, Berube replaced Yeo who made the playoffs only once before getting fired and had about the same amount of experience as Green, Bednar replaced Roy who made the playoffs once and had no prior experience who replaced Sacco who made the playoffs once, and no prior experience, that's just the Cup winning teams though, we wouldn't want to replicate what any of them did....
Stylizer1
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Those coaches inherited teams with superstars who all had playoff DNA. We have no superstar and maybe 2 Allstars.
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I am willing to give Green a chance to show he has learned from his past experiences as a NHL HC. How the team performs in the first 25 games of the next season will not only reflect on him, but on the (rookie) GM who hired him. I am hoping for the best, and not expecting the worst….. I don’t know where most people will set the bar, but being in a playoff position by US Thanksgiving giving might be one of the options, as would having a much improved record (after 25 games) as in the previous two or three seasons.
Now depending on what roster changes (if any) happen over the off season, and if the team appears better on paper, than last season, being in a playoff position by US Thanksgiving is a reasonable bar to set.
Now depending on what roster changes (if any) happen over the off season, and if the team appears better on paper, than last season, being in a playoff position by US Thanksgiving is a reasonable bar to set.
