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GDT: Traverse City 2019 Tournament Thread

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I think people are letting shesty off the hook a little too easy...those 2 short side goals back to back both need to be stopped...they were back breakers too...instead of being tied q to 1 after 1 it's 3 to 1... And then the 2 quick goals to start the 2nd (not his fault) and it's game over.

If he stops those 2 goals like he should have..it's a different game.
 
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One thing I despise is when there's anything critical said...anything at all..people come out of the woodwork to make fun of the people doing the criticizing...

If you can't be critical why have the games?

Ate you not allowed to be critical in the preseason? How about the first third?

It's not like the baby rangers were playing against the 80s oilers around game 40...it was against a mediocre blue jackets squad and they ran us out the building.

If 2 rusty teams play each other and one gets annihilated...I think you're allowed to be critical within that context.

When @Kovalev27 and myself were both critical of bereglazov and lias during this tournament it was the same crap... People mocking and scoffing... But in both cases the observations of what was seen during this tournament carried forth into training camp.

Anyways I think based on what I've seen shesty doesn't really have a chance at the big squad based on that 1 game (sample size is important...the more he plays the more he can either cement that impression of reverse it)... Reunanen looked excellent. And might be a dark horse to make the team over hajek... Fox was strong but risky at times. Kravtsov kinda reminds me of chytil... Trying to do too much by himself.

It's early ..it's 1 game. Yes. But it's also how inpressionns get formed...they can change they can get cemented...but they all gotta start somewhere.
 
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Inferno said:
One thing I despise is when there's anything critical said...anything at all..people come out of the woodwork to make fun of the people doing the criticizing...

If you can't be critical why have the games?

Ate you not allowed to be critical in the preseason? How about the first third?

It's not like the baby rangers were playing against the 80s oilers around game 40...it was against a mediocre blue jackets squad and they ran us out the building.

If 2 rusty teams play each other and one gets annihilated...I think you're allowed to be critical within that context.

When @Kovalev27 and myself were both critical of bereglazov and lias during this tournament it was the same crap... People mocking and scoffing... But in both cases the observations of what was seen during this tournament carried forth into training camp.

Anyways I think based on what I've seen shesty doesn't really have a chance at the big squad based on that 1 game (sample size is important...the more he plays the more he can either cement that impression of reverse it)... Reunanen looked excellent. And might be a dark horse to make the team over hajek... Fox was strong but risky at times. Kravtsov kinda reminds me of chytil... Trying to do too much by himself.

It's early ..it's 1 game. Yes. But it's also how inpressionns get formed...they can change they can get cemented...but they all gotta start somewhere.
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Depends on the criticism.

Everything you yourself has said is fine.

I've seen some horrendous takes in this thread though.
 
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As I've said before TC has really only been good at showing us what European players are not showing well (Bereglazov) against younger competition.

I think Malte Stromwall was the best player one year? Don't ready too much into it. The preseason games are going to tell us a lot more.

But if your one conclusion from this game (I didn't watch it, admittedly) is that Shesty will not be a #1 NHL goalie right away, I mean, it's not that surprising. I know there was a hope that he'd bust onto the scene like Henrik in 2005, but that doesn't happen often. I do wish he'd been able to move to NA at a younger age.
 
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Fox is a risk taker for sure and bc of that I think he’s the type that’s going to look much better playing with NHL players than with a bunch of prospects.
 
RGY said:
I mean he did rob a couple. There was a turnover right in between the circles where the player was all alone.

So this is kind of a silly comment.
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I'm not sure why you felt the need to call my comment silly. Agree to disagree on what we each saw. Everyone sees things differently. You have people saying he needs to work on his NA angles, and then you have people say he was positionally sound. Case in point.

I saw him get beaten rather easily on 1-on-1s. Maybe it was unfamiliarity with the shooters he faced. Maybe he just had an off-day.
 
Inferno said:
One thing I despise is when there's anything critical said...anything at all..people come out of the woodwork to make fun of the people doing the criticizing...

If you can't be critical why have the games?

Ate you not allowed to be critical in the preseason? How about the first third?

It's not like the baby rangers were playing against the 80s oilers around game 40...it was against a mediocre blue jackets squad and they ran us out the building.

If 2 rusty teams play each other and one gets annihilated...I think you're allowed to be critical within that context.

When @Kovalev27 and myself were both critical of bereglazov and lias during this tournament it was the same crap... People mocking and scoffing... But in both cases the observations of what was seen during this tournament carried forth into training camp.

Anyways I think based on what I've seen shesty doesn't really have a chance at the big squad based on that 1 game (sample size is important...the more he plays the more he can either cement that impression of reverse it)... Reunanen looked excellent. And might be a dark horse to make the team over hajek... Fox was strong but risky at times. Kravtsov kinda reminds me of chytil... Trying to do too much by himself.

It's early ..it's 1 game. Yes. But it's also how inpressionns get formed...they can change they can get cemented...but they all gotta start somewhere.
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Yeah, but I at the same time feel that so much criticism is — extremely — result oriented. Commented like “everyone have played like crap”.

You can edit out the goals and the plays leading up to them removing like what a couple of minutes.

Watch the other 58 minutes, it’s a perfectly even game where CBJ are sitting back and counter attack on us and we are trying to be a bit to fancy. If nobody saw anything else than those 58 minutes, we would have a level headed discussions on how the players looked 98% of the time on the ice.

First game of the season, many players made a lot of good plays.
 
Inferno said:
He's been terrible...I didn't even think he looked good early to be honest...his shot control on easy saves was poor.

Before people roast me... Yes it's a prospect tournament... Yes I get that it doesn't really matter.. but yes you're also allowed to observe what you're seeing here.

I've liked 51s game so far...thata about it tbh.
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I've been worried for 2 years. The guy never shows up in big tourny's or in the PO's and his coach constantly benches him in SKA even though he's so good? I will be unsurprised if he's, at best, just an average starter who never becomes very good let alone elite.

Now I've been worried but I still defer to the insane saves and stats he had and assume he's got room to grow still.
 
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Yeah, but I at the same time feel that so much criticism is — extremely — result oriented. Commented like “everyone have played like crap”.

You can edit out the goals and the plays leading up to them removing like what a couple of minutes.

Watch the other 58 minutes, it’s a perfectly even game where CBJ are sitting back and counter attack on us and we are trying to be a bit to fancy. If nobody saw anything else than those 58 minutes, we would have a level headed discussions on how the players looked 98% of the time on the ice.

First game of the season, many players made a lot of good plays.
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I dont think it is correct to assert that we should definitely remove the results and draw criticism only from the non results oriented plays...not yet. You can lend a lot more weight to the non results oriented plays based on context.

Based on what inferno actually said I don't think it makes sense for you to make that comment.

I dont even think what you said is true in terms of the other 58 minutes. If a Dman gets coned or makes an atrocious turnover we'd come down on him whether it led to a goal or not.

One look at the F list and it's no shock we were atrocious, the game was atrocious and people are rightly pointing it out.
 
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Not surprised at all how they've handled Kakko, they usually don't go all out at these tourneys. I had work meetings so I'd like to thank Kakko for waiting for me to watch tonight :)

Saw a few minutes of yesterday's game. Shesty has to adjust. Don't overreact. Lundqvist had some rough moments in 05 preseason as well.

Really curious how Huska does today now that he has some pro experience under his belt. He's obviously 4th on the depth chart but a good performance today can lead to some cred.

Will be nice to have a real first line.
 
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Please everyone: have realistic expectations tonight. As long as Kakko plays well don't be too hard on him if he doesn't put up 4G,5A and have a Jagr possession game.

Also, go easy on Huska. This is his first game after spending the end of last year on an awful Pack team with awful D/coaching.

Enjoy the game and look at the positives.
 
shinchanuuhh said:
I dont think it is correct to assert that we should definitely remove the results and draw criticism only from the non results oriented plays...not yet. You can lend a lot more weight to the non results oriented plays based on context.

Based on what inferno actually said I don't think it makes sense for you to make that comment.

I dont even think what you said is true in terms of the other 58 minutes. If a Dman gets coned or makes an atrocious turnover we'd come down on him whether it led to a goal or not.

One look at the F list and it's no shock we were atrocious, the game was atrocious and people are rightly pointing it out.
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The thing is, I think it’s the complete opposite and I think what I wrote was a pretty big understatement to be honest.

In addition, whether we are winning or losing, I think we make a ridiculous big deal off mistakes too, which your posts just proves further.

It’s September and the players have zero chemistry. Why on earth should we care about the odd blunder?
 
Ola said:
The thing is, I think it’s the complete opposite and I think what I wrote was a pretty big understatement to be honest.

In addition, whether we are winning or losing, I think we make a ridiculous big deal off mistakes too, which your posts just proves further.

It’s September and the players have zero chemistry. Why on earth should we care about the odd blunder?
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Just like when you replied to inferno, a lot of this doesn't make sense as a response to the post you quoted. It's like you are reading things we aren;t even saying and attributing a general criticism of the board to us for no reason other than we aren't 100% in lockstep with your thoughts

Especially your second sentence. Nothing in my post matches what you're saying there

As for your last sentence, that seems extremely simplistic. It suggests that there are only a very small, negligible handful of blunders when there clearly weren't in what was a really bad game to almost any reasonable observer. It's just an intellectual and conversational non starter. It implies all criticism and thought is invalid bc of some arbitrary measure you decided on. Also care? Define "care"? Care at all? Or care enough to make simple comments? idk Ola why would a board full of hockey prospect enthusiasts care enough to make simple comments about hockey prospects in a hockey prospect tournament? Why would we make comments about prospects we've literally waited years to see?

I could go on but you just aren't being honest here and I don't know why so I'll just cut off here.
 
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