Training Camp Thread - First round of Cuts Made (10 players)

[The Winter Soldier]

Holland making a statement this scrimmage. This guy has a pro shot and its good to see him have a positive start.

JVR looked invisible again with Kadri, this is going back to last year's sample. They don't mesh well together. If the plan was to get more secondary scoring by moving JVR off the #1 line. This one might not be a good idea.

Kessel couldn't score without Bozak, though Nylander showed why I think he can be a Alfredsson long range project. These 2 players are so identical at the same age.

 

[Paradoc]

Orr was pretty good on the ice. Scored two goals (I think) and had an assist.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

i wonder if we will put them on waivers? can't we just carry everyone?

Sadly, no But we could potentially trade them. Orr looks like an NHLer again, Abbott and Kozun looked like NHLers, even against good people who are much bigger than them. Abbott has gotten a lot better at skating and is a lot faster with even better stick handling abilities that he had before. McLaren was even using his size correctly. Those are the guys who everyone expected wouldn't be considered to be claimed on waivers at all, but that may change if they look at the tape.

 

[MJ65]

Just by the way Nylander was pretty impressive today

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Orr was pretty good on the ice. Scored two goals (I think) and had an assist.

No, Winnik tipped in his second goal, but Orr was there if it didn't go in.

 

[MJ65]

Holland making a statement this scrimmage. This guy has a pro shot and its good to see him have a positive start.

JVR looked invisible again with Kadri, this is going back to last year's sample. They don't mesh well together. If the plan was to get more secondary scoring by moving JVR off the #1 line. This one might not be a good idea.

Kessel couldn't score without Bozak, though Nylander showed why I think he can be a Alfredsson long range project. These 2 players are so identical at the same age.

This is just the 1st day - come on guys

 

[al secord]

The coach who thought that skating around like chickens with their heads chopped off in the defensive zone is a viable way to win hockey games for 2 and a half years is now given the opportunity to redeem himself with a new system? This doesn't fill me with any confidence. Seems like another lost season.

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Nylander and Kessel together. God, please let this happen at some point in the next 2-3 years. That's what I'm talking about.

 

[King85Kong]

Holland making a statement this scrimmage. This guy has a pro shot and its good to see him have a positive start.

JVR looked invisible again with Kadri, this is going back to last year's sample. They don't mesh well together. If the plan was to get more secondary scoring by moving JVR off the #1 line. This one might not be a good idea.

Kessel couldn't score without Bozak, though Nylander showed why I think he can be a Alfredsson long range project. These 2 players are so identical at the same age.

Kessel had 19 points in 20 games with Kadri last season.

P.S. Good to see that your back to your 01 game samples .

 

[leafstilldeath*]

Abbott was in the first game, so maybe that's why you didn't see him. And I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know how many teams could realistically lose every single one of the guys put up for waivers on waivers. Besides Marshall and McLaren, all of the guys we may put on there can be seriously considered to be claimed. Explains the success of the Marlies for a good stretch now.

However, I'm sure you are right about every team in the same situation. I think there should be a rule where everyone is waiver exempt until like October, but I guess there's issues with that right so why mess with something that's working.

I think the idea is that if a player can play in the NHL then he should play.

If somehow we decide a certain player is not NHL ready and put them on waivers however other team thinks that play is NHL ready and claims them then that player may/will get to play in the NHL.

Didn't Isles ice the team from the waiver claims recently? lol

 

[namttebih]

Sadly, no But we could potentially trade them. Orr looks like an NHLer again, Abbott and Kozun looked like NHLers, even against good people who are much bigger than them. Abbott has gotten a lot better at skating and is a lot faster with even better stick handling abilities that he had before. McLaren was even using his size correctly. Those are the guys who everyone expected wouldn't be considered to be claimed on waivers at all, but that may change if they look at the tape.

Kozun is 24 and can't contribute consistently at the AHL level. He is a minor league player. He has wheels and drive and I actually enjoy watching him play. He just doesn't have the finish.

 

[leafstilldeath*]

Kessel had 19 points in 20 games with Kadri last season.

P.S. Good to see that your back to your 01 game samples .

Bozak injured even before the season began. That fitness and conditioning though lol

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Kessel had 19 points in 20 games with Kadri last season.

P.S. Good to see that your back to your 01 game samples .

Agreed let's use a bigger sample Kessel's 82 game sample last season.

Kessel .79 without Bozak projected 65 point year 13-14
Kessel 1.05 with Bozak projected 85 point year 13-14

 

[LeafsNation75]

Maple Leafs make defensive-zone changes at start of training camp

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...vezone-changes-at-start-of-training-camp.html

 

[King85Kong]

Agreed let's use a bigger sample Kessel's 82 game sample last season.

Kessel .79 without Bozak projected 65 point year 13-14
Kessel 1.05 with Bozak projected 85 point year 13-14

Lol, first go to one game sample, then go with misleading stats in back to back posts. You are the best poster
You know that is a BS stat cause it also includes centers like smith. Better for you to do Kessel with Bozak vs Kessel with Kadri. Oh wait, we all know why you wouldn't do that.

 

[TMLeafer]

Kadri looked great in that video alongside Fratty. The talent is undeniable.
Nice to see Holland pot a couple as well.

Were the goalies alternating playing for both teams? I got that impression.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...vezone-changes-at-start-of-training-camp.html

Took the Leafs 5 years to finally listen to Cherry? Cover the points. What took them so long?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Lol, first go to one game sample, then go with misleading stats in back to back posts. You are the best poster
You know that is a BS stat cause it also includes centers like smith. Better for you to do Kessel with Bozak vs Kessel with Kadri. Oh wait, we all know why you wouldn't do that.

They are the facts, and you asked for a bigger sample than 20 games.

 

[namttebih]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...vezone-changes-at-start-of-training-camp.html

I hate to be the grammar police but:
"It's nothing that no one's never seen before"

Lupul! That hurts my brain.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Sadly, no But we could potentially trade them. Orr looks like an NHLer again, Abbott and Kozun looked like NHLers, even against good people who are much bigger than them. Abbott has gotten a lot better at skating and is a lot faster with even better stick handling abilities that he had before. McLaren was even using his size correctly. Those are the guys who everyone expected wouldn't be considered to be claimed on waivers at all, but that may change if they look at the tape.

really? boooo
this makes everything more interesting, then.

Orr and McLaren are going to be interesting. if they make the team, people will be going "see Randy isn't making change" but if they DO well....(shrug)

 

[leafstilldeath*]

They are the facts, and you asked for a bigger sample than 20 games.

projection does not = fact.

Fact: Kadri 20 goals and 50 points

-without Kessel on his wing for extended period of time
-without 1st PP unit
-without consistent wingers
-in his 2nd full season, age 23


Fact: Bozak NO 20 goal season, NO 50 point season in the 5 years of NHL
-with Kessel on his wing
-with 1st PP unit
-with consistent wingers
-5 years @ 28 years old and still waiting

 

[The Winter Soldier]

really? boooo
this makes everything more interesting, then.

Orr and McLaren are going to be interesting. if they make the team, people will be going "see Randy isn't making change" but if they DO well....(shrug)

Knowing Carlyle, we probably will have one of Orr or Mclaren around. I really don't care for the goon tags, Orr is at least defensively responsible. And it won't matter who is on the 4th line anyway with 6mins of ice time a game unless we are suddenly rolling 4 lines.

 

[King85Kong]

projection does not = fact.

Fact: Kadri 20 goals and 50 points

-without Kessel on his wing for extended period of time
-without 1st PP unit
-without consistent wingers
-in his 2nd full season, age 23


Fact: Bozak NO 20 goal season, NO 50 point season in the 5 years of NHL
-with Kessel on his wing
-with 1st PP unit
-with consistent wingers
-5 years @ 28 years old and still waiting

Its okay, he's already conceded that Kadri is better then Bozak. When you have to resort to stats like Kessel with Bozak vs Kessel without Bozak. You know its done. Its like when a guy is cornered and ready to surrender, but is looking for a way to save face.

 

[sommervr]

Holland making a statement this scrimmage. This guy has a pro shot and its good to see him have a positive start.

JVR looked invisible again with Kadri, this is going back to last year's sample. They don't mesh well together. If the plan was to get more secondary scoring by moving JVR off the #1 line. This one might not be a good idea.

Kessel couldn't score without Bozak, though Nylander showed why I think he can be a Alfredsson long range project. These 2 players are so identical at the same age.

Kessel didn't score because he is carrying about 15 pounds of rust. Kontiola looked good though.

 

[King85Kong]

really? boooo
this makes everything more interesting, then.

Orr and McLaren are going to be interesting. if they make the team, people will be going "see Randy isn't making change" but if they DO well....(shrug)

Hopefully neither of them see much ice. Their time is done. Now lets get some 4th liners in there that can skate and create pressure.