GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

[duhmetreE]

I'm sure the reactions will be reasonable.

strike 1.

 

[Thirty One]

Finally someone says it. It's not like the guy was top-5 in powerplay goal scoring last season or something.

Typical of the Rangers to value "production" over our feelings.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hajek traded
Jones to Hartford
Barron to Hartford

then there was 23.

Lafreniere Zibs Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko
Goodrow Chytil Gauthier/Kravtsov
Blais Rooney Reaves
Hunt

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
Nemeth Lundkvist
Tinordi

 

[duhmetreE]

strike 1.

the play is under review.....




there's still hope

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Terrible. This is why we are a joke of a franchise. Can’t get number 1 and number 2 overall picks on the PP for 2 and 3 years respectively.

This team will never learn. These players need reps on the PP because they have the most space and time. It’s actually better than 5v5. But yea “uRn It”. What the f*** has Chris Kreider done to earn that spot? You guys are a joke for defending it too

LMAO

Kreider hasn't earned PP time?

He may be in the top 3 in the NHL at screening and deflecting pucks into the net on the PP. Some would argue the best. He's improved his numbers on the PP over the past 3 seasons.

He was 4th in the NHL and on pace for 18 PP GOALS last season. He had more PPG's than Auston Matthews. Seriously? If there's ever a spot on the team that earned its that one. Talk about a joke.

You wanna argue top 6 time for him, im fine with that. He can play 3rd line minutes. But he owns the front of the net on the PP and dont think for a minute any NHL team wouldn't have him in that spot as well.

 

[duhmetreE]

There's no reason to have Strome in on the right dot over Laf and/or Kakko.

Strome is not a threat. He has had his moments on the PP. He does not suck, he's serviceable... BUT imo the unit would become a lot harder to defend/less predictable if there was a shooting threat on the right dot. It creates a lot more opportunities.

We can argue that Laf is not 'comfortable' on the right and Kakko does not have a killer instinct.... I'd probably lean Kakko.. He's even practicing his one timer

 

[bigdog16]

LMAO

Kreider hasn't earned PP time?

He may be in the top 3 in the NHL at screening and deflecting pucks into the net on the PP. Some would argue the best. He's improved his numbers on the PP over the past 3 seasons.

He was 4th in the NHL and on pace for 18 PP GOALS last season. He had more PPG's than Auston Matthews. Seriously? If there's ever a spot on the team that earned its that one. Talk about a joke.

You wanna argue top 6 time for him, im fine with that. He can play 3rd line minutes. But he owns the front of the net on the PP and dont think for a minute any NHL team wouldn't have him in that spot as well.

Oh he has, I would actually argue that the only valuable thing Kreider brings to this team is net front on the PP. He is one of the best in the game. This is coming from a massive anti-Kreider fan. He still shouldn't wear a C

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Oh he has, I would actually argue that the only valuable thing Kreider brings to this team is net front on the PP. He is one of the best in the game. This is coming from a massive anti-Kreider fan. He still shouldn't wear a C

I'm pretty indifferent about the C. Not thrilled about Trouba wearing it either. But it's largely ceremonial and something the team should decide on their own. Tough for fans to chime in when we aren't around the team in practice and in the room during games.

That aside, I'd love to have Kreider play 3rd line with Goodrow and Chytil. But he needs to be on the PP1. You can move Strome out of there and put Laffy. Thats where I'd start.

Also would love to see Nils when he's with the team. That is one of his greatest strengths and he may be a better PP player than a vast majority of the players on this team. There just isn't enough room.

 

[LOFIN]

There's no reason to have Strome in on the right dot over Laf and/or Kakko.
I'd probably lean Kakko.. He's even practicing his one timer

I have more confidence in Kakko making that crazy cross ice pass over to Panarin for his one-timer rather than Strome...

As for Kreider, I previously said I think Landeskog is the best guy deflecting the puck but when we look at the statistics, this is from 2016-2017 season onwards...

Safe to say, he's the guy in front of the net.

 

[Machinehead]

It's funny. Isn't he statistically one of, if not THE best powerplay defenseman in the league?

And meanwhile you have some guy that insists Nils Lundkvist should be a better power play player and have his spot.

If you look at the analytics, as I like to do, he was by far the best last year.

And it's not perfect, of course, but if you look at how hot he got the second half, I think there's some merit to it.

It was a well-earned Norris.

 

[Crease]

Kreider is one of the best front net players in the league. And he’s a home grown guy. But some fans can’t enjoy this because he’s overpaid.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kreider is one of the best front net players in the league. And he’s a home grown guy. But some fans can’t enjoy this because he’s overpaid.

He's not even overpaid.

 

[egelband]

I never really see it with Robertson but that could just be me. Hartford should be good this year it looks like. Paju has work to do for sure but he had some nice flashes and that shot is bonkers

It’s nice to see our guys whipping quick hard dangerous shots on net, effortlessly. The kind of shots goalies actually look distressed by.

 

[Machinehead]

Everyone keep your trousers on.

We had the best powerplay in the league the second half, of close to it. Gallant has no reason to break it up until he sees one. We watched every minute of the season last year; he didn't. He's going on stats. Statistically, we didn't have a bad powerplay. He's not going to fix a problem until he sees a problem. I don't love Strome on that side, but give it a minute.

Give it a minute in general. AV's first year, we went to the Finals, and we sucked until like Thanksgiving. It takes time to fully change coaches. For two years we were pretty good under AV because we had a lot of Torts holdovers and had a nice hybrid system, although you could see the team changing a bit in 14-15.

By 15-16, it kinda fell apart, because we had AV's stinking habits all over the ice. The point being, it took two ass years for AV's teeth to sink all the way into the team.

Give it a minute.

 

[egelband]

Kotalik was a bit bigger and not a great skater. I see Pajuniemi as more a Vrbata-like player. More slippery and quicker. I actually think he will make it here but it won't be this year. I am expecting a full season in the AHL followed by a portion of a season next year.

Yeah. Incredibly small sample size, i have seen very little of him, but he does seem to be a clever player with a good nose for the puck. The kind of player that opponents need to really pay attention to. Still a way to go with him but he flashes a bit.

 

[egelband]

McKegg is the definition of a David Quinn player. Skates hard, hustles, looks like the hardest working guy on the team...yet he does absolutely nothing well. I would not be happy if he makes the team over Hunt/Gauthier, who i think can provide good depth for this team when injuries or underperformance inevitably happen.

I don’t think we need to worry. McKegg is a good guy for sure and he does bring some value. But he won’t displace Gauthier due to role. I suppose he could slip past Hunt on the depth chart but McKegg is the only one who has gone through waivers as far as I know. So i think he’s ticketed already for Hartford.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Not true. I've posted these numbers so many times already. They're right in line with most of the league.



Probably score the 11th most 5v4 goals in the league the last 3 years.

No, I definitely think it’s worthwhile to break up that forward group who scored at the best powerplay rate in the entire league sans the EDM group. If there’s anything that a team that’s vying to be competitive and trying to make the playoff should do, it’s break up a group that gives them a major special teams advantage and helps them score a lot of goals.

Plus, we’re already seeing the kids that everyone wants in important roles get the ice time that actually matters: top-6 5v5 time with our best players.

 

[egelband]

Look who's been Stu Bickel'd/Brendan Smith'd:

Random. I’m still thinking Hajek is traded prior to the season.

 

[egelband]

NHL Coaches: Still not as smart as HFBoards. Maybe next year they'll improve.

Haha. Indeed. Dagnabbit!!

 

[egelband]

There's no reason to have Strome in on the right dot over Laf and/or Kakko.

Strome is not a threat. He has had his moments on the PP. He does not suck, he's serviceable... BUT imo the unit would become a lot harder to defend/less predictable if there was a shooting threat on the right dot. It creates a lot more opportunities.

We can argue that Laf is not 'comfortable' on the right and Kakko does not have a killer instinct.... I'd probably lean Kakko.. He's even practicing his one timer

Yeah. Everything makes sense aside from Strome. Though he’s a good playmaker, you don’t really need a playmaker on the power play. You need guys who can keep possession and a system that exposes the man advantage. Kakko to me makes more sense than Strome there and I imagine that’s what we’ll eventually see. Strome on the 3-on-3 and 4-on-4 setups makes sense though.

 

[kovazub94]

What I hated about the Rangers PP last year was that the first line was out there almost 2 minutes every time (at least when i watched the games)

Not true. I've posted these numbers so many times already. They're right in line with most of the league.



Probably score the 11th most 5v4 goals in the league the last 3 years.

Now run it for just the games Nate070 watched.

Looks like it's the full 2:00 in those games.

Love this bit!

 

[Nate070]

Now run it for just the games Nate070 watched.

It was only 2 games

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah. Everything makes sense aside from Strome. Though he’s a good playmaker, you don’t really need a playmaker on the power play. You need guys who can keep possession and a system that exposes the man advantage. Kakko to me makes more sense than Strome there and I imagine that’s what we’ll eventually see. Strome on the 3-on-3 and 4-on-4 setups makes sense though.

We can come up with all the reasons we want why Strome shouldn't work there. The uncomfortable fact is that he does, or at least has.
Last year:
Mika w/ Strome at 5-on-4: 10.37 GF/60
Mika w/o Strome at 5-on-4: 4.97 GF/60

 

[Boris Zubov]

Everyone keep your trousers on.

We had the best powerplay in the league the second half, of close to it. Gallant has no reason to break it up until he sees one. We watched every minute of the season last year; he didn't. He's going on stats. Statistically, we didn't have a bad powerplay. He's not going to fix a problem until he sees a problem. I don't love Strome on that side, but give it a minute.

Give it a minute in general. AV's first year, we went to the Finals, and we sucked until like Thanksgiving. It takes time to fully change coaches. For two years we were pretty good under AV because we had a lot of Torts holdovers and had a nice hybrid system, although you could see the team changing a bit in 14-15.

By 15-16, it kinda fell apart, because we had AV's stinking habits all over the ice. The point being, it took two ass years for AV's teeth to sink all the way into the team.

Give it a minute.

This post makes too much sense...mods please delete.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We can come up with all the reasons we want why Strome shouldn't work there. The uncomfortable fact is that he does, or at least has.
Last year:
Mika w/ Strome at 5-on-4: 10.37 GF/60
Mika w/o Strome at 5-on-4: 4.97 GF/60

Is this last year or overall?

If its last year, I'd ask how many minutes they played away from one another after Mika got over the remnants of contracting the vid?