GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

[LORDE]

Love the mentality of the team right now.

I want him (and the others) to say "I want to win a Cup!"

But I'll take this for now.

 

[egelband]

Tend to agree but some of us have to pick our spots, right? At present I'm paying for The Athletic (I know, I know) and The New York Times, where the news component remains completely essential and the Rangers news non-existent. Adding another several bucks a month to read only Brooks at NYP and only Vince at LOHUD just isn't a real good use of funds for me. Especially since now I can watch the pressers and write the same stories for myself! ;-)

Totally. That’s mainly why a while back I suggested some kind of a “bundle” might be amenable. I can’t see it ever happening but I bet it would work. A NY Sports Bundle, for example. I think people are happy to pay for content but it has to be a substantial amount. If I paid for The Post, it would be like 15 mins of content a day, at best. Alternately, charging per article might work.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Love it when i type and the site refreshes. Thanks!!

 

[chosen]

All I hear is excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

I did not expect the team to make the playoffs last year, even if Zib never got Covid and Panarin didn’t have to leave the team. I expected them to be a bubble team and they were.

Put aside all of that. The team did not compete every night. The effort was lackluster top to bottom. From talented players to the 4th line / AHL tweeners. Is it so much to ask for a consistent effort? Whether you are a top team or a lottery team, showing up to play from puck drop should be a staple. Having off nights happen, but it shouldn’t be the norm that the team looked like it was sleep walking. That starts at the top with the head coach. Wanting our team to show up and compete for 60 minutes makes us crybabies? Really? Take that shit to the sensitivity corner. Dear lord, the excuses some will make for David Quinn. I thought it would end when he was fired, but nope now its ‘we won’t really know how to measure Gallant’s success’, basically implying Quinn did it all! He laid the foundation for the success! Absurd.

Thank you for bringing up the Yankees. Yes, when my team spends $300 million on a Pitcher, has a $200 million payroll, I do expect them to win. I EXPECT, that when they have spent $200 million they have put together a roster that plays fundamental baseball. But you know what, I’m the spoiled, unreasonable one for having those expectations. I don’t know when we became so soft in society. I guess the Yankee fan base should be way more complacent and acceptant of mediocre results when the Organization spends $200 million and charges what they do to attend games…

How can a team you didn't think would make the playoffs lose 3 top players and come close to the playoffs if their effort was lacking? That makes no sense.

Like lots of fans, you always expect your team to win. When they don't it's someone's fault. Never mind that lots of other teams are likewise trying to win and many of their fans feel like you do.

Maybe the Yankees investments weren't brilliant?

Maybe luck plays a role in sports like in every other phase of life?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Yea they had dogs and shit in the car. Driver was fine I guess we just answered the questions wrong. Asked how long we were there, why we went, all of that stuff. We just said we wanted to see the city for fun and came back.
I wonder if it’s a pain in the ass to get there by train. Amtrak does run all the way to Montreal. But I’m sure customs has to check the train passengers passports too. I always wanted to know how that went. Going in was nothing, we just drove they the toll flashed the passports and we were on our way.
We’re talking about 16 years ago already, Jesus time flies. It was a lot closer to 9/11 and heightened border security too.

I've taken the train to Toronto....it's pretty much the same....except the border agents walk thru the train. If there are any problems or anything questionable, they will have the party(ies) step off the train until issue is resolved.

 

[RGY]

How can a team you didn't think would make the playoffs lose 3 top players and come close to the playoffs if their effort was lacking? That makes no sense.

Like lots of fans, you always expect your team to win. When they don't it's someone's fault. Never mind that lots of other teams are likewise trying to win and many of their fans feel like you do.

Maybe the Yankees investments weren't brilliant?

Maybe luck plays a role in sports like in every other phase of life?

How does it not make sense? They still had a Norris defenseman on the team with other talent on the roster. Its not like they were devoid of any talent when Panarin left the team. Its not like Zibanejad wasn’t suiting up at all. He was still a better player than someone like Howden even while not producing. And they still had the benefit of playing Buffalo, NJ, and Philly. They racked up their wins against those teams. And to be fair even in those wins there were zombie like efforts. During Panarin’s absence they went 4-5. They “survived it” with 3 of the wins coming against NJ and BUF. It wasn’t due to some brilliant coaching performance. And I know the rhetoric will be ‘it doesn’t matter’ but Quinn wasn’t behind the bench for 5 of the 27 wins. Knoblauch was.

Pointing to the record at the end of the Year and simply saying Quinn did a good job all things considered, is deceitful.

Yes some of the Yankees investments have been brutally bad, but that includes firing Joe Girardi only to hire a Coach who would be a Analytical puppet with no prior coaching experience. Cashman is certainly to blame.

 

[jay from jersey]

Guess what?

That's how Kreider is every season.

Stats wise? Or his overall impact on the game? Cause when kreider is going and motivated, even if he’s not scoring he’s a force to be reckoned with on the ice.
He’s a problem for other teams in front of the net on the PP, he’s getting breakaways, driving the net, and generating offense. That was few and far between last season. Beyond his normal streaks. No matter what the final stat line showed

 

[chosen]

How does it not make sense? They still had a Norris defenseman on the team with other talent on the roster. Its not like they were devoid of any talent when Panarin left the team. Its not like Zibanejad wasn’t suiting up at all. He was still a better player than someone like Howden even while not producing. And they still had the benefit of playing Buffalo, NJ, and Philly. They racked up their wins against those teams. And to be fair even in those wins there were zombie like efforts. During Panarin’s absence they went 4-5. They “survived it” with 3 of the wins coming against NJ and BUF. It wasn’t due to some brilliant coaching performance. And I know the rhetoric will be ‘it doesn’t matter’ but Quinn wasn’t behind the bench for 5 of the 27 wins. Knoblauch was.

Pointing to the record at the end of the Year and simply saying Quinn did a good job all things considered, is deceitful.

Yes some of the Yankees investments have been brutally bad, but that includes firing Joe Girardi only to hire a Coach who would be a Analytical puppet with no prior coaching experience. Cashman is certainly to blame.

I never said Quinn did a great job. To me, most coaches are about the same. Trotz might be the exception.

Before the season began it was known who their opponents were.

Zibanejad was better than Howden is supposed to be a compliment?

If you believed a team wouldn't make the playoffs and they lost 3 top players, the thought that they should have then made the playoffs is illogical to me.

Which players on the Rangers do you feel didn't put in enough effort?

 

[chosen]

Stats wise? Or his overall impact on the game? Cause when kreider is going and motivated, even if he’s not scoring he’s a force to be reckoned with on the ice.
He’s a problem for other teams in front of the net on the PP, he’s getting breakaways, driving the net, and generating offense. That was few and far between last season. Beyond his normal streaks. No matter what the final stat line showed

Throughout his career, Kreider has been the single most inconsistent performer I have ever seen in a Rangers jersey.

I have come to appreciate his overall worth because Machinehead got me interested in analytics, but Kreider has always struck me as a great example of the overall player not being as good as the sum of his parts.

 

[duhmetreE]

Another foreign concept. I've never seen the team practice one timers

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers Trim Training Camp Roster by 13

 

[Vitto79]

Rangers Trim Training Camp Roster by 13

not too many surprises . I do think Skinner will be good . Maybe a Keane w no spot avail though

 

[NYSPORTS]

Another foreign concept. I've never seen the team practice one timers

lol - put a goalie in and every shot suddenly goes wide

 

[Cmox]

lol - put a goalie in and every shot suddenly goes wide

Also lol at Reaves missing the net.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Also lol at Reaves missing the net.

That’s Rempe

 

[Lua]

not too many surprises . I do think Skinner will be good . Maybe a Keane w no spot avail though

I'd say Garand getting cut so early is a bit of a surprise. He's by far the best goalie prospect we have and spent (a short amount of) time in Hartford last year. Had a really good bounce-back performance in the second prospect scrimmage against Philly. I was kind of looking forward to seeing him for at least 1.5 periods in one of these exhibitions games against pro/semi-pro competition. With that said, I understand wanting to protect his confidence until he's older, and he's four years younger than the second youngest goalie at camp.

 

[Cmox]

That’s Rempe

Jeez, I’m blind, whoops lol a Rempe.

 

[duhmetreE]

Another foreign concept. I've never seen the team practice one timers

to add to this....

Is this PP2? Why is Kreider shooting from the right dot? Why is Kravtsov setting him up? Kreider wondering how many more goals he can score on his off wing?

Given what we know, it makes little to no sense.

 

[cwede]

Rangers Trim Training Camp Roster by 13

not too many surprises . I do think Skinner will be good...

And sending guys, like Khodo and Skinner, to Pack doesn't mean much,
they can still be in lineup for NYR preseason games

But GG does seem focused on sorting out main roster
Rempe likely sent out after tonight,
Othmann and Cuylle after 1 or 2 PS games

 

[cwede]

... Given what we know, it makes little to no sense.

I believe I read somewhere that team had replaced the coaching staff. Not surprising that many variations are being evaluated.

 

[RGY]

I never said Quinn did a great job. To me, most coaches are about the same. Trotz might be the exception.

Before the season began it was known who their opponents were.

Zibanejad was better than Howden is supposed to be a compliment?

If you believed a team wouldn't make the playoffs and they lost 3 top players, the thought that they should have then made the playoffs is illogical to me.

Which players on the Rangers do you feel didn't put in enough effort?

My point was the team almost made the playoffs with not only the adversity having to do with their players, which you mentioned, but also with a poor coach. And I see this year as a team that is playoffs or bust considering the continued maturation of the youth, better depth (which yes I think can be blamed on upper management as opposed to Quinn), and a better, more established Coach. I never expected last year’s team to make the playoffs. I expected, as previously stated in this thread and past threads, that last year’s team would be a bubble team. I expected positive steps in development, and quite frankly I just did not see it with Kakko and Lafreniere being prime disappointments. Its great to be defensively responsible, but not at the complete sacrifice of their natural offensive talent that also needs to develop and prove itself at this level. Quinn was allergic to putting Lafreniere on the PP1. It was one of his many disasters in terms of personnel management.

I am not sure where I said it was any one player that was the issue with effort. In fact it has been a constant from me that it was a TEAM issue. As I already said, it didn’t matter if it was rookies or veterans, collectively as a group they did not show up ready to play. That is a reflection of the Coach. I am not sure why you can’t or refuse to comprehend this very straight forward point being made. When the whole TEAM looks like the walkind dead, that is the Coach not getting his team to buy in, getting the most out of what he has to work with.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I want him (and the others) to say "I want to win a Cup!"

But I'll take this for now.

One step at a time. Phase 2 of the rebuild officially started now. Making the play offs is the next goal.

2023-24 will be phase 3: Contenders.

 

[jay from jersey]

I can be argumentative when people make up things and offer no proof. If you don't see my other posts, I don't care.

The proof is in watching the player. I wasn’t against the kreider signing at the time, because he did things that weren’t usually seen on the scoreboard. He was an important piece. That wasn’t the case last season. If you think that was his normal streaky self, I don’t know what to tell you but your wrong. That is some proof. And you’ve been a complete douche bag for the better part of 2 years on this site. So before your hurl insults and call people cry babies look in the mirror dickhead

 

[dshea19]

Yeah. Now. But years ago, I remember I could get a good seat for $16 I think. That was in the loge or mezzanine or whatever it was called. That was a bit of money for me in HS but not too crazy. Perfect pricing really. The equivalent price now is probably around $35 ish. Affordable but not cheap for a HS kid. (Just my guesstimate).

100%. My dad took me to games as a kid. Much more wild and fun back then. Now, it seems like most people are there because the company gave them their tickets.

I live in NC now. When the Canes first started, it was 90% Rangers fans when they were in town. The building was rocking. Even more so before they moved into the new Raleigh building and played in Winston-Salem.

Now, Canes games are close to a 50/50 split. Maybe a bit less now that they are a decent team. Their ticket prices are beyond what I want to spend anymore. My big TV and couch become a better deal every year.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

Totally. That’s mainly why a while back I suggested some kind of a “bundle” might be amenable. I can’t see it ever happening but I bet it would work. A NY Sports Bundle, for example. I think people are happy to pay for content but it has to be a substantial amount. If I paid for The Post, it would be like 15 mins of content a day, at best. Alternately, charging per article might work.

Maybe somebody here with deeper pockets and a radical obsession plus some time on their hands who DOES pay for all of it could do a "press digest" daily thread. Brilliant!!!