GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

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This is not a pot shot at Quinn. I’m saying last season there was a disconnect between the players and coach. I’m saying that last season we had a lot of terrible starts to games that were never addressed. Worse then the prior year, when he was still the coach here.
Just from watching the games, I don’t even know how that can be argued.
I agree there was a disconnect. I don’t think it was because of something Quinn was doing/saying though. (Not saying that’s what you’re saying @jay from jersey). I think it was broadly speaking, a leadership deficit.
Coach, players, management all to blame.
 
The Rangers will be a better and more balanced team this year with all the changes but coaching does matter. Gallant took an expansion team to the SCF. I still find that amazing. Trotz took an average talent Isles team to back to back final fours. Do you think that happens with Capuano as their coach? Not a chance. I can't wait to see this team when Gallant has had the time to fully implement his systems.

The point I’m making is this is a much different team that Gallant is inheriting than Quinn had. A way more balanced and a lot more physical team. The only real noticeable loss is Buchnevich but there are young players ready to move into his place—other than that we are subtracting Howden, Blackwell, DiGiuseppe, Smith for Goodrow, Blais, Reaves and Nemeth.
 
Gallant seems to really be a guy who lives by the cliche coach speak of “all I ask is that you work hard and compete every night”. Not saying that’s a bad thing, I think it’s good.

I’m very interested to see how he handles his first Kreider vanishing act.

I think he’s big on coming to the rink, working hard, having fun, and good things tend to follow philosophy.
I’m really interested to see how he handles in game adjustments, lines night in and night out, and how he addresses problems. For example, we are terrible at face offs. What is he going to do to fix it? Or will we just continue to be terrible.. things of that nature.
 
I agree there was a disconnect. I don’t think it was because of something Quinn was doing/saying though. (Not saying that’s what you’re saying @jay from jersey). I think it was broadly speaking, a leadership deficit.
Coach, players, management all to blame.

It could be. And it could be a myriad of things that went wrong, but overall the teams lack of compete level coming out of the gate, and urgency in big games until they were halfway over is ultimately going to fall at the coaches feet.
Whatever it was, there’s a new GM and coach going fwd and Slats is still there in his 1000$ suits chomping his cigars. I expect this team to start hard out of the gate. This being Gallants 1st year is a big reason. Teams usually respond to coaching changes.
 
The location of the Ottawa arena is just ridiculous. If they could get down town they would fill the rink nightly. I went to two games there, by the time we got back to the city it was hard to go anywhere without catching a lineup.
Yeah I agree. I took a plane ride to Toronto to visit some video game friends so we saw a Leafs game then road tripped to Ottawa. The arena being so far outside of the city is dumb. We got lucky because we got our tickets before they announced it being Alfredsson night. The drive back to Ottawa is terrible, so much traffic leaving the arena and only a few lanes. Felt like leaving a football game at the Meadowlands. Ottawa itself is an ok city.
 
Good point.

What’s Gallants MO on in game line changes? Is he a blender guy if things are flat or is the lineup, the lineup?
Yea, and say chytil line is doing real well on some night, will he rid the guys who are hot and give them more ice time?? Gallants a veteran coach, I’m really interested to see how he handles stuff like that. Keeping Kreids motivated also, that’s a big 1 like you said.
 
Yea, and say chytil line is doing real well on some night, will he rid the guys who are hot and give them more ice time?? Gallants a veteran coach, I’m really interested to see how he handles stuff like that. Keeping Kreids motivated also, that’s a big 1 like you said.

It’s not motivation with CK. The guy is motivated. You aren’t the “always in amazing shape” guy without insane motivation. He’s known league wide as obsessive about his fitness.

it’s just that’s for whatever reason, 2-3 times a year he will go completely missing for 10-14 days at a time. Who knows why, but that’s what he does, and he’s been consistent with it. It’s who is he at this point, he’s not changing.

We’ll see how Gallant handles it.
 
I think he’s big on coming to the rink, working hard, having fun, and good things tend to follow philosophy.
I’m really interested to see how he handles in game adjustments, lines night in and night out, and how he addresses problems. For example, we are terrible at face offs. What is he going to do to fix it? Or will we just continue to be terrible.. things of that nature.
The forecheck and neutral zone play will be the primary thing to focus on when we see this year. To see how they play through the neutral zone and where they stand up to rushes against. Usually Quinn gave up the blue line by designing then deciding to step up at the tops of the circles instead. Gallant will use that and move up to the blue line, then the high-danger zone between the tops of the circles and the blue line.
 
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I think they’ll definitely be a more rigid team this season simply due to the new players and management/coaching group. They key is guys like Lafreniere, Fox, Kakko, and the other kids growing into a sturdy unit. I think they will, fwiw.
Yes, new guys get mature and be like star. This is a very good team.
 
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The forecheck and neutral zone play will be the primary thing to focus on when we see this year. To see how they play through the neutral zone and where they stand up to rushes against. Usually Quinn gave up the blue line by designing then deciding to step up at the tops of the circles instead. Gallant will use that and move up to the blue line, then the high-danger zone between the tops of the circles and the blue line.
Yup. He said as far as the physical side of things go, he was the rangers to set the tone and be the initiators, rather then taking the first licks. Pretty good strategy if you ask me.. I hope it comes to fruition. I guess we’ll see soon enough
 
Oh. I didn't know someone had evidence of this.

Please share the link to this info of Quinn losing the locker room.

I'm not debating, i'm laughing at you. Literally all you do is argue with people on here. It's fine to be argumentative and contrarian, but I don't think i've ever seen you post anything that wasn't snarky and combative.
 
So the Rangers didn’t have a ton of slow, pathetic 1st period starts? They didn’t have a bunch of half-ass efforts, not showing up for the full 60?

C’mon, don’t be so dense.

Hey everyone, analytics show things were NORMAL last year. We should all be so grateful by those NORMAL numbers. The Numbers are the Context, everything is FINE….

By this logic, Yankees are on target to finish with about 92 wins. Another winning season. Everything has been totally ok for them because they are on “target”
Rangers were shit defensively all 3 periods.

No yanks fans would have wanted only 92 wins, and using wins to judge a season is about as far from analytics as you can get
 
So to you, kreider was his usual impactful self on the ice all season. Because the numbers dictate that, even though it’s 100% not the case.
And that’s not my feelings. The fact was, he was bad in more games then good. But he had an excellent 12-15 game stretch which inflated his numbers into his normal realm of statistics
If you look at total points that’s the opposite of analytics. If you break it down you can see via the numbers that CK was insanely hot briefly and insanely cold for a longer period. Analytics, for the most part, tell a pretty clean story.

lots of ppl seem to take analytics to just mean stats, but they’re not the same.

GG may not follow the analytics bible, but his method works because his teams end up having good analytics anyway.
 
The point I’m making is this is a much different team that Gallant is inheriting than Quinn had. A way more balanced and a lot more physical team. The only real noticeable loss is Buchnevich but there are young players ready to move into his place—other than that we are subtracting Howden, Blackwell, DiGiuseppe, Smith for Goodrow, Blais, Reaves and Nemeth.

You forgot Johnson and Hajek for Lundkvist.
 
I've been to 11 NHL arenas so far, and MSG always reminds me of an opera building. Fans sit down, and just wait to be entertained, which is weird growing up in a culture of supporting your team. Cheering even harder if you are down a goal, singing and chanting all game long.

That's just not a thing at MSG. It's a beautiful arena though.
My old roommate was one of the foremen on the last renovation. He said the bridge was one hell of an idea.
It is the meca of the sports world.
It’s the worlds most famous arena for a reason.
 
Yeah I agree. I took a plane ride to Toronto to visit some video game friends so we saw a Leafs game then road tripped to Ottawa. The arena being so far outside of the city is dumb. We got lucky because we got our tickets before they announced it being Alfredsson night. The drive back to Ottawa is terrible, so much traffic leaving the arena and only a few lanes. Felt like leaving a football game at the Meadowlands. Ottawa itself is an ok city.
My takeaway from this post is…Pokémon and the Mario Bros live in Ottawa?
 
Quinn got us to this point and positively impacted a lot of young players here, i dont think its fair to compare him to Gallant going forward as the team Quinn started with and the one Gallant starts with are on different stratuspheres. I think Quinn did a nice job of bringing the kids along, Kakko for one is a more complete player, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Chytil and Strome all benefitted from him. Sure there were issues, every coach has them but I think he did a good job getting us to this point, they would have made playoffs last year if we didnt have the most Rongo year ever.
Sorry to disagree but too many times the team came out not ready to play. That’s on the coach.
When they won in 94 Bobby Clark had said during the season that if you could survive the first 10 minutes at the garden you had a chance to win.
 
My takeaway from this post is…Pokémon and the Mario Bros live in Ottawa?
Lol. I wouldn’t recommend Ottawa as a great travel destination. You’re better off going to Montreal which is only a few hours away. Old Montreal is cool with its European vibes, there’s a ton of great restaurants and bars downtown. A hockey game at the Bell Centre should be on everyone’s bucket list.
 
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Minnesota is high on my list!

I have been to a lot of games in Minnesota and I don't find the atmosphere that great. There is much better atmosphere at U of M games, especially if you go see them play Wisconsin or another rival.

Chicago has a much better atmosphere, especially if the team is good. I have also always had really good interactions with the fans there. I went to a game where Rosival ended it in OT. The guy sitting next to me had been busting me all game in the best way possible. After the game, he stands up, puts his hand out to shake mine and goes, "You guys deserved this win. Good luck on the rest of the season." In Minnesota, I just get passive agresive attitudes from everyone around me.
 
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The price of tickets likely has a lot to do with it with a lot of seats owned by companies and not true fans. You go to a game in Winnipeg it's night and day the amount of actual fans in the seats.

Sad, but true which sucks after seeing the insanity of the 94 run. Sadly, it'll likely never return but the playoffs should still be loud at least even if the building doesn't anymore.
 

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