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justashadowof said:
I don't disagree with your evaluation of Hyman there but what about his legs? I think when he loses his legs, remember it took until his mid-20's to get his NHL legs, he won't be able to play any role competently at the NHL level. What sometimes get overlooked on these admirable try-hard players like Hyman is that he's going full throttle out on the ice AT ALL TIMES. That's why I believe he appears so pedestrian in the playoffs because he's got nothing extra to give against opponents who do have something extra to add to their games.
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I loved Hyman but you're completely right on the effort part. It seemed he was winning all those puck battles during the reg season and then just stopped in the playoffs. I know he had an injured knee in 2 of the series. But I also think that he doesn't win as many battles when the other players are trying 100% in the playoffs. It's kind of like playing all out in the all star game against guys who don't care to back check. Does that mean you are way better than the rest or you just tried harder than them? What happens when they do try as hard as Hyman?...we know the result because of the last couple of playoffs.
 
egd27 said:
Funny how he went from useless to vital to useless again in the eyes of the apologists.
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hyman is a good player and no one has said otherwise, but his impact to this team has always been grossly overstated. If he was used as the elite third liner he actually is, he’d have been a much bigger loss and far more valuable than he ever was to the first line, who simply did not need him to be successful

can we please get back on topic ffs
 
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Looking forward to seeing what both Bunting and Ho-Sang look like with Tavares.

Liljegrin needs to show he belongs.

Also rooting for Scott. Hope he has a good showing if they're splitting it.

Wanted more change after our sad exit last year - but I can't help but still get excited for pre season game #1.
 
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Hoping we see the youngsters in Hollowell and Kral instead of the 4th pair of veterans.

Just as I feared, the team doesn't see Liljegren as a PP option at the NHL level. They see him as a PK option which speaks to his growth defensively, but feel like they are limiting his potential by doing that.
 
stickty111 said:

Hoping we see the youngsters in Hollowell and Kral instead of the 4th pair of veterans.

Just as I feared, the team doesn't see Liljegren as a PP option at the NHL level. They see him as a PK option which speaks to his growth defensively, but feel like they are limiting his potential by doing that.
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I think it's moreso that outside of Muzzin-Brodie, they have no other PK options unless they go with the veteran 4th pair.

Not sure Liljegren can handle tough 5on5 minutes beside Muzzin + PK + PP just yet. He's undoubtedly the 2nd best PP option in this lineup, but Kral is purely a PP QB.
 
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Lightsol said:
Hyman was the opposite of effective on the top line in the playoffs; he killed 90% of that line's actual scoring chances.
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Maybe in 2016-17 but in 2020-21 he was creating plays with our 3rd liners. He’s gonna be missed in the regular season. In the playoffs however, I’m not sure we will be missing his 1G in 7GP performances
 
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deprw said:
If his been in Europe that queue might have gone by age groups and Nylander is pretty young. In Finland you couldn't just go and grab vaccine until it was your turn.
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I think you mean Sweden and they actually has a very good rate of full vaccines. Nylander has stated that he has some kind of medical complications he had to overcome before getting the first shot, but he'll be fully vaccinated soon. So everything is moving forward on that front.
 
Knies iT said:
I think it's moreso that outside of Muzzin-Brodie, they have no other PK options unless they go with the veteran 4th pair.

Not sure Liljegren can handle tough 5on5 minutes beside Muzzin + PK + PP just yet. He's undoubtedly the 2nd best PP option in this lineup, but Kral is purely a PP QB.
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You're probably right. Too early to make assumptions. They probably don't want Liljegren to have all those assignments. If they go with Hollowell-Kral today, wonder what the 2nd PK unit will be. One will be Muzzin-Liljegren, the other with Brodie and someone else.
 
Mess said:
Hyman was on pace for 30 goals 65 points with the Leafs, so why not with McDavid?

Hyman might even get PP time with McDavid and Draisaitl.

I don't think Leafs have anyone that is going to match Hyman's lost offense as he put up 43 games (1/2 a season) 15 goals 18 assists 33 points with no PP time last year.
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How did he do in the playoffs? I mean, that's all that counts.

Oh he's one of the worst on the team in the playoffs? So why are you going on about him supposedly being a key cog in a team that loses every year in the first round?
 
kb said:
How did he do in the playoffs? I mean, that's all that counts.

Oh he's one of the worst on the team in the playoffs? So why are you going on about him supposedly being a key cog in a team that loses every year in the first round?
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Because he's gone to another team now so his value has increased significantly. The second he swapped jerseys.
 
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Mess said:
Hyman was on pace for 30 goals 65 points with the Leafs, so why not with McDavid?

Hyman might even get PP time with McDavid and Draisaitl.

I don't think Leafs have anyone that is going to match Hyman's lost offense as he put up 43 games (1/2 a season) 15 goals 18 assists 33 points with no PP time last year.
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I saw you make a post last week about how the Leafs top 6 is full of stars such that it's an easy $$$ bank to come play here and get paid.

Now suddenly nobody can match Hymans pace? Our top 6 is literally made for any one with some hands to come in and pace 60 points. You implied so yourself. Hyman has average hands.

Hyman made no significant impact on our PP1 but gets automatically penciled in as a PP producer on the Oilers? He still averaged 90 seconds powerplay time last season. Enough to notice he didn't add anything substantial to it.

Hyman himself was a low point producer and then suddenly started scoring goals which further suggests there is a very high chance we see some breakout players this year due to the talent they will get to play with.

The mere fact you contradicted yourself unknowingly is L enough though.
 
Aashir Mallick said:
Maybe in 2016-17 but in 2020-21 he was creating plays with our 3rd liners. He’s gonna be missed in the regular season. In the playoffs however, I’m not sure we will be missing his 1G in 7GP performances
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That's kind of what I was trying to get at. Hyman's a great 3rd line grinder. Issue is, Edmonton's not paying him like that, and it appears that's convinced Oiler fans that he's more than he is. And as mentioned, another issue is that Hyman's game doesn't compliment McDavid's like it does Matthews or Tavares, so they're probably going to find him incredibly frustrating.
 
therealkoho said:
I think you mean Sweden and they actually has a very good rate of full vaccines. Nylander has stated that he has some kind of medical complications he had to overcome before getting the first shot, but he'll be fully vaccinated soon. So everything is moving forward on that front.
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Yeah, we have really good in the Finland also and it means that we went by the age groups, which meant that younger folks didn't receive their vaccines until summer. Though didn't Nylander had covid, in Finland you have to have 6 months from recovering until you can get your vaccine. Though don't mind to speculate since he will got his second vaccine soon, so who really cares.
 
think it's crazy that he hasn't been tried here before - not evenbecause i think it should be permanent or anything, but because Mitch and the other stars should all be movign and switching between all these spots on the PP constantly.



the bumper spot is hard - you need some real nifty mittens to make it work right. which mitch has, of course.

Tavares

Nylander ----- Marner ----- Matthews

Rielly​

Seems like such an obvious thing to try, given marner's insane hands and touch and not great shot, and given Willy and Matthews' wicked shots.
 
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Pretty sure we’re going to give Mikheyev a decent run at top 6 playing time and PP. Let him sink or swim. Either likely results in him being traded this year or leaving next year but it’s a make or break time for Ilya
 
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