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He was always a fringe player. Nothing more than a 4th liner same as Amadio.
Neither player is in Leaf camp, not sure why it’s become such a hot topic.
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Neither player is in Leaf camp, not sure why it’s become such a hot topic.
TheBeastCoast
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Because the discussion was about who the waiver freakout is this year if someone gets claimed. Last years waiver freakout seems relevant to that discussion!
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Both Robertson and Malgin are showing up and pushing for roster spots for the openings.
Robertson's production is making the decision making tougher, but I will be watching since he is waivers exempt that he is easier to demote to protect another player that requires waivers like Malgin or others.
I wonder how much the Tavares injury will factor into the decision making process where previously putting Robertson on the 2nd line with JT and Nylander might have been plan A. Withot JT the 2nd line will have a completely different look and might need more experienced players until he returns,
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So gaming out the opening day roster..
- Lilly to IR gets us under the cap with a 20 man roster.
- Tavares injury means we'll have to use an emergency recall, but I'm not quite sure how that works.
- I don't believe an emergency recall needs to go through waivers (not sure tho)
- this would make the decision easier to send down all the guys who are waiver exempt and use the last spot to avoid exposing someone like Malgin to waivers.
- Then we would use the emergency recall to bring one of the guys we demoted back up - like a Robertson, Holmberg, or Steeves.
Tavares is only likely to miss 5gms or so but that's a nice little "extended preseason" against legit NHL competition before we make a harder call to waive someone like Malgin.
- Lilly to IR gets us under the cap with a 20 man roster.
- Tavares injury means we'll have to use an emergency recall, but I'm not quite sure how that works.
- I don't believe an emergency recall needs to go through waivers (not sure tho)
- this would make the decision easier to send down all the guys who are waiver exempt and use the last spot to avoid exposing someone like Malgin to waivers.
- Then we would use the emergency recall to bring one of the guys we demoted back up - like a Robertson, Holmberg, or Steeves.
Tavares is only likely to miss 5gms or so but that's a nice little "extended preseason" against legit NHL competition before we make a harder call to waive someone like Malgin.
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Me I think that the Tavares-Willy combo is actually good, and really dont need much offensive help, but they could just use a little more defense, speed, and neutral zone/offensive zone pressure and possession....and to me the guy who might be able to give them all of that, in spades, is Engvall.
He could help turn them into a line that's a little more trustworthy out there.
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My lone issue with Engvall is that he doesn't appear to process the game as quickly or in the same manner as the other 2, which is what caps his ultimate potential.
Not saying it won't work, I'd have to see it in a game situation.
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No guarantee it will work that's for sure. But so far he's been able to make every line he plays on better, and Tavares and Willy don't really need help on the offensive side of things. Worth a look at least imo.
No reason to freak out about any guy that's put on waivers. It really sucks sometimes losing depth but that's what a cap world does. It'll happen to a bunch of teams. Really it means you have a pretty damn good team when the guys you have to waive unfortunately get picked up. People will say but Dubas sucks and the cap but it's the Leafs... they're always going to pay the big guns and spend to the cap. This isn't new. Many other teams are worse and still spend to the cap.
Yup. I liked Engvall more by the end of the year but he doesn't think the game quick enough. I hope he further proves me wrong this year.
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Fair, but Tavares and Nylander are both pretty good at slowing the game down. Kerfoot has great IQ, but he didn't really work on that line because his actual skillset is pretty mediocre. Engvall has great skating, size, and a shot. He just has to figure out his consistency issues
The Brooks thing was over the top but let's not act like Amadio was a stud for us.
Dude played 3 games and wasn't great before we also waived him
Dude played 3 games and wasn't great before we also waived him
So based on what we’ve seen, this is likely going to be the lines to start the year forward wise. Tavares replacing Holmberg when he’s healthy.
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Holmberg - Malgin
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - NAK
Simmonds
Defense wise,
Muzzin - Rielly
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Holl
Mete
Will be what we are looking at, with Liljegren slotting in beside Gio when healthy.
Honestly, I love the bottom 6. I think for the first time in a long time, it’s a real Strength for us. It has the ability to add a bit of everything. Top line speaks for itself. Malgin and Nylander are developing some good chemistry as well.
Defense wise, I really like the idea of Brodie and Giordano playing with Sandin and Liljegren. The pressure is obviously on Muzzin and Rielly to play together better than they did a couple of years ago.
We all know about the goaltending. I think it’s fair to assume both goalies will have ups and downs this year. Overall I think they’ll be able to be better than 28th - which is what Campbell and Mrazek gave us
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Holmberg - Malgin
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - NAK
Simmonds
Defense wise,
Muzzin - Rielly
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Holl
Mete
Will be what we are looking at, with Liljegren slotting in beside Gio when healthy.
Honestly, I love the bottom 6. I think for the first time in a long time, it’s a real Strength for us. It has the ability to add a bit of everything. Top line speaks for itself. Malgin and Nylander are developing some good chemistry as well.
Defense wise, I really like the idea of Brodie and Giordano playing with Sandin and Liljegren. The pressure is obviously on Muzzin and Rielly to play together better than they did a couple of years ago.
We all know about the goaltending. I think it’s fair to assume both goalies will have ups and downs this year. Overall I think they’ll be able to be better than 28th - which is what Campbell and Mrazek gave us
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Likely won't be signed until preseason is officially done.
Engvall is likely back in the next couple days.
Agreed with you on the better look of the bottom 6 - as much as we may have liked Spezza (and simmonds for some), he/they kinda turned the 4th line into a line that couldn't really be trusted, and then forced a guy like Kampf up into a slot that he didn't really have the offense for.
Yeah, Engvall obviously complicates things. We can carry he and Simmonds assuming we put Tavares on LTIR retroactively.
Honestly, Engvall’s injury may have cost him an opening night spot. Him getting in may depend on Holmberg or Malgin struggling and then moving Kerfoot or Jarnkrok up the lineup
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Definitely not.
But that's how long he would have to be out to be eligible for LTIR and cap relief to add players.
LeafalCrusader
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I think you can waive Wayne pretty easily both due to skill and hockey code he won't get picked up
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Guys like Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Adam Gaudette, Victor Mete etc were all passed through and claimed on waivers last year.. Leafs picked them up for depth purposes this year as UFAs.
If they go back in waivers and get claimed it won't be a Leaf specific thing, and it wouldn't be their first time, or likely the last time it will happen.
Teams are always looking for cheap depth players, mainly as injury replacements. Easy come and easy go for scrubs like this. Nobody will really care.
Things get a little more debatable when you lose self drafted and developed players on waivers, to protect scrubs and then release those scrubs on waivers later.
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That’s why I was asking, didn’t get the ‘retroactive’ part. Doesn’t look like it though.
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Nope, because the salary cap is not active during the off season and rosters are unlimited.
You can't accrue salary cap rebates for players on LTIR when the season hasn't started , and you have unlimited players in preseason etc as replacements for injured players.
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