Training Camp continued

[CupcakeSprinkles]

There are going to be a ton of players put on waivers, I think it pretty presumptive to think a Malgin gets picked up. Build on the Robertson momentum, concerning ourselves with some dime a dozen journeyman seems short sighted.

Asset management is key and Malgin has been one of the best depth players performing. I think there's little chance of him going on waivers vs. a guy like Joey Anderson. Maybe down the line though as a lack of performance / productivity happens.

 

[DarkKnight]

Asset management is key and Malgin has been one of the best depth players performing. I think there's little chance of him going on waivers vs. a guy like Joey Anderson. Maybe down the line though as a lack of performance / productivity happens.

Fine, just don’t worry about it as it concerns Robertson. Besides, guys like Marner and Matthews have played once, Malgin is playing where he won’t in preseason, he should be filling the net against early preseason opposition. Every year we exaggerate camp, it’s a lot of mirage to be honest. I’ll say it again, I look for the kids to make an impact, this year I suppose to see if our projects in net exude confidence. That’s it, I’ve been fooled before, this isn’t representative hockey. Ditto the first few games of the regular season for that matter.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

Fine, just don’t worry about it as it concerns Robertson. Besides, guys like Marner and Matthews have played once, Malgin is playing where he won’t in preseason, he should be filling the net against early preseason opposition. Every year we exaggerate camp, it’s a lot of mirage to be honest. I’ll say it again, I look for the kids to make an impact, this year I suppose to see if our projects in net exude confidence. That’s it, I’ve been fooled before, this isn’t representative hockey. Ditto the first few games of the regular season for that matter.

Using the advantage of an ELC slide early on has always been a strategy used. I'm just saying all things the same Malgin/Robertson are making this Team early on with all the injuries. However, if both are equally producing (or not) they'll likely send down the guy with waiver flexibility.

 

[justashadowof]

Don’t know if this was posted before:

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In their past two seasons, the Maple Leafs posted their two best regular-season points percentages in franchise history, including last season's .701 to earn them second in the Atlantic. Auston Matthews scored 60 goals and won his first Hart Trophy. Mitchell Marner had career bests in goals (35) and points (97). So did William Nylander, who scored 34 goals and 80 points. Their top four on defense remain solid. Their supporting cast at forward might be better year over year. GM Kyle Dubas, who doesn't have a contract beyond this season, has the Leafs' roster loaded, even if their heads are slamming against the salary-cap ceiling.

Except in goal.

As shaky as I think the Leafs are in goal, how in the world could he not have picked Boston who are aging and injured?

 

[justashadowof]

Fine, just don’t worry about it as it concerns Robertson. Besides, guys like Marner and Matthews have played once, Malgin is playing where he won’t in preseason, he should be filling the net against early preseason opposition. Every year we exaggerate camp, it’s a lot of mirage to be honest. I’ll say it again, I look for the kids to make an impact, this year I suppose to see if our projects in net exude confidence. That’s it, I’ve been fooled before, this isn’t representative hockey. Ditto the first few games of the regular season for that matter.

Preseason hockey is about 60% of midseason hockey. October hockey is about 80% of midseason hockey. Many fall by the waste side once the season kicks into gear. Preseason results will capture a player on the rise but as you said most great preseason performances are long forgotten by November, players fall back closer to their recent history.

 

[DarkKnight]

Preseason hockey is about 60% of midseason hockey. October hockey is about 80% of midseason hockey. Many fall by the waste side once the season kicks into gear. Preseason results will capture a player on the rise but as you said most great preseason performances are long forgotten by November, players fall back closer to their recent history.

Especially early pre-season.

Using the advantage of an ELC slide early on has always been a strategy used. I'm just saying all things the same Malgin/Robertson are making this Team early on with all the injuries. However, if both are equally producing (or not) they'll likely send down the guy with waiver flexibility.

Fair, I just disagree here, it’s time to get a Robertson in the mix if he’s showing he’s ready.

 

[Stephen]

As shaky as I think the Leafs are in goal, how in the world could he not have picked Boston who are aging and injured?

That's how clickbait gets you.

Re: Joey Anderson, seems like he may be the guy you sacrifice to the waiver gods. Just never really seems to stand out much even while auditioning for a role.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I think goalies, defencemen and centers are most likely to get claimed as injury fill ins for teams.
We are mostly looking at waiving wingers. I don’t think we have anything over and above what are teams are having to waive themself. Except maybe if someone wants a vet like Simmonds if he’s waived.

 

[Shooter2x]

Robertson has any scoring role in the bag. Sorry Malgin.

So dynamic. Malgin is doing what you'd expect in these games and nothing more. Depends on good play from line mates (Nylander, Robertson), looks like whatever otherwise.

 

[ACC1224]

Any one else forget Engvall is still on the team? Would anyone miss him if he never came back?

 

[andora]

Any one else forget Engvall is still on the team? Would anyone miss him if he never came back?

This year yes imo

To be able to slot him in at 2lw or 3lw is a nice bonus

If you make a lineup without engvall you can see the depth issue

 

[Apex Predator]

That's how clickbait gets you.

Re: Joey Anderson, seems like he may be the guy you sacrifice to the waiver gods. Just never really seems to stand out much even while auditioning for a role.

I wonder if he gets claimed if there will be the same out rage like Brooks last year.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Asset management is key and Malgin has been one of the best depth players performing. I think there's little chance of him going on waivers vs. a guy like Joey Anderson. Maybe down the line though as a lack of performance / productivity happens.

I think the experiment with hoping THE Joey Anderson is an NHL'er is pretty much done. He is showing absolutely nothing to me that he can play in a 4 line role and be effective. Anderson is JAG right now with lots of those available. I think he clears waivers and plays most of his career in the AHL. I am really disappointed in that trade....a pick would have better in retrospect.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if he gets claimed if there will be the same out rage like Brooks last year.

I think there was some thinking Brooks might be useful. Anderson has just never really bubbled up the depth chart to suggest he could be factored into Leafs plans.

 

[ACC1224]

This year yes imo

To be able to slot him in at 2lw or 3lw is a nice bonus

If you make a lineup without engvall you can see the depth issue

I don't see it. Team has a truck load of 3rd/4th line wingers, many that seem to have more of a pulse than 'Lucky' Pete.

 

[Stephen]

I think the experiment with hoping THE Joey Anderson is an NHL'er is pretty much done. He is showing absolutely nothing to me that he can play in a 4 line role and be effective. Anderson is JAG right now with lots of those available. I think he clears waivers and plays most of his career in the AHL. I am really disappointed in that trade....a pick would have better in retrospect.

I think there's a greater than 0% chance Andreas Johnsson hits UFA and we somehow get him back next year. He's been pretty ineffective in NJ himself.

 

[Havoc]

Malgin flashed his zone entry hype better in the actual NHL games we played him in when he was younger. I mean he did nothing useful after the zone entry lol, but the possession potential was on display. So he's been underwhelming for me even though the points are racking up.

Robertsons offensive ceiling is standing out even though he looks less poised as Malgin on some shifts. Malgin needs to better display this top 6 calibre possession potential if he wants to keep it close because hes not an elite play maker and his shot is underwhelming. He's not going to be picking corners or holes. Currently I don't see his game translating to a long term top 6 option. Robertson will gradually improve game by game towards his ceiling and is showcasing natural goal scorer high end skill already.

 

[LeafChief]

I wonder if he gets claimed if there will be the same out rage like Brooks last year.

What a pathetic display that was from this forum. People were freaking out.

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder if he gets claimed if there will be the same out rage like Brooks last year.

I doubt it.
There wasn't really outrage, that's a little over dramatic.
Many just preferred the home grown Brooks to Amadio.

 

[andora]

I don't see it. Team has a truck load of 3rd/4th line wingers, many that seem to have more of a pulse than 'Lucky' Pete.

I think there is a possibility he plays with tavares. The depth now is allowing a look at a three line team which imo IS a part of being a contender

Kerfoot/tavares/jarnkrok
Engvall/holmberg/nylander

Or switch kerfoot and engvall.. atleast what i see anyhow

 

[LeafChief]

I doubt it.
There wasn't really outrage, that's a little over dramatic.
Many just preferred the home grown Brooks to Amadio.

The home grown Brooks that couldn't hack it on the last place Habs.

 

[ACC1224]

I think there is a possibility he plays with tavares. The depth now is allowing a look at a three line team which imo IS a part of being a contender

Kerfoot/tavares/jarnkrok
Engvall/holmberg/nylander

Or switch kerfoot and engvall.. atleast what i see anyhow

Engvall isn't good enough to play up in the lineup, IMO.

 

[andora]

Engvall isn't good enough to play up in the lineup, IMO.

That has him third line which is where i think he will settle..

 

[kb]

Robertson has any scoring role in the bag. Sorry Malgin.

So dynamic. Malgin is doing what you'd expect in these games and nothing more. Depends on good play from line mates (Nylander, Robertson), looks like whatever otherwise.

Nylander looked dynamic with Malgin
Robertson looked dynamic with Malgin. (just ok/not ready otherwise)

Conclusion: Malgin is riding their coattails while leading the team in goals and points.

I honestly believe that if his name were anything but Malgin, the narrative would be different. He's not dynamic, but then again neither is a Kerfoot. He's a well rounded player who can play with skill players while not being a defensive liability.

The Leafs have been looking for complementary players who can play with stars and provide depth scoring, and Malgin is showing both. That has value. At the World Championships, he far and away led the Swiss in Pts ahead of Timo Meier, Nico Hischier, and Pius Suter - all everyday NHL'ers (and some much better).

IMO, keep Malgin to start the season, send Roberston down, and give Malgin a bit of run in a top-9. Just as easy to punt him in November is it is in preseason. But I suspect injuries will hit, and both might be here playing roles.

I love Robertson and want him up here soon, but him going down for a few weeks won't hurt.

 

[ACC1224]

That has him third line which is where i think he will settle..

At who's expense?

The home grown Brooks that couldn't hack it on the last place Habs.