The team plays young guys and they struggle.... The Rangers can't develop talent!!! They don't play a young guy because he struggles.... Same old Rangers, they won't commit to youth!!! No one is ever happy and just wants to be outraged and yell on the internet.
Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023
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haohmaru
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Sorry if this was already posted. From two days ago:
New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has cut its Training Camp roster by 11 players. Maxim Barbashev, Seth Barton, Zach Berzolla, Ryan McCleary, and Sahil Panwar have been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack of the American Hockey League (AHL). Joe Arntsen, Bryce McConnell-Barker, Max McCue, James Petrovski, and Dylan Roobroeck will return to their respective junior teams. In addition, the Rangers have released Brad Arvanitis from his PTO.
The Rangers have 48 players remaining in Training Camp. The roster breakdown is listed below:
Forwards (27): Alex Belzile, Brett Berard, Anton Blidh, Nick Bonino, Jonny Brodzinski, Filip Chytil, Will Cuylle, Adam Edstrom, Turner Elson, Barclay Goodrow, Karl Henriksson, Kaapo Kakko, Ryder Korczak, Chris Kreider, Alexis Lafreniere, Jake Leschyshyn, Riley Nash, Brennan Othmann, Artemi Panarin, Tyler Pitlick, Matt Rempe, Adam Sykora, Bobby Trivigno, Vincent Trocheck, Jimmy Vesey, Blake Wheeler, Mika Zibanejad
Defensemen (16): Nikolas Brouillard, Adam Clendening, Ty Emberson, Adam Fox, Erik Gustafsson, Ben Harpur, Blake Hillman, Mac Hollowell, Zac Jones, Ryan Lindgren, Connor Mackey, K’Andre Miller, Matthew Robertson, Brandon Scanlin, Braden Schneider, Jacob Trouba
Goaltenders (5): Talyn Boyko, Louis Domingue, Dylan Garand, Jonathan Quick, Igor Shesterkin
New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has cut its Training Camp roster by 11 players. Maxim Barbashev, Seth Barton, Zach Berzolla, Ryan McCleary, and Sahil Panwar have been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack of the American Hockey League (AHL). Joe Arntsen, Bryce McConnell-Barker, Max McCue, James Petrovski, and Dylan Roobroeck will return to their respective junior teams. In addition, the Rangers have released Brad Arvanitis from his PTO.
The Rangers have 48 players remaining in Training Camp. The roster breakdown is listed below:
Forwards (27): Alex Belzile, Brett Berard, Anton Blidh, Nick Bonino, Jonny Brodzinski, Filip Chytil, Will Cuylle, Adam Edstrom, Turner Elson, Barclay Goodrow, Karl Henriksson, Kaapo Kakko, Ryder Korczak, Chris Kreider, Alexis Lafreniere, Jake Leschyshyn, Riley Nash, Brennan Othmann, Artemi Panarin, Tyler Pitlick, Matt Rempe, Adam Sykora, Bobby Trivigno, Vincent Trocheck, Jimmy Vesey, Blake Wheeler, Mika Zibanejad
Defensemen (16): Nikolas Brouillard, Adam Clendening, Ty Emberson, Adam Fox, Erik Gustafsson, Ben Harpur, Blake Hillman, Mac Hollowell, Zac Jones, Ryan Lindgren, Connor Mackey, K’Andre Miller, Matthew Robertson, Brandon Scanlin, Braden Schneider, Jacob Trouba
Goaltenders (5): Talyn Boyko, Louis Domingue, Dylan Garand, Jonathan Quick, Igor Shesterkin
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Jones seems like a guy every team’s fans will yell he will be claimed on waivers, and then noon the next day, Zach Jones has cleared waivers is tweeted out.
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Cuylle is perfectly suited for the bottom 6, adds some scoring, adds physical play and is a future player for this franchise, if they think he is ready none of the signings should keep him out of the lineup. I don't think anyone is expecting him to be a top 6 player or anything, if expectations are that high then yes they'll be disappointed but my expectations for him this year is to play bottom 6 and be a czikas "type" of player.
If Fox weren't on this team already he would have an easier time making this team. I honestly don't think he is suited to a bottom pair limited pp spot. We already have a smallish player who runs the pp and having two in the lineup is tough.
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Jones to me, seems likely to go the Ryan Graves route and a few years from now this board will be screaming from the rooftops NYR didn't give him a chance or develop him properly when in reality some players just take more time than others and don't fit their current situation.
egelband
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Would like to see Kreider-Trocheck-Wheeler playing together and playing a bit less. Two fewer shifts per period would keep them fresher and allow them to go ‘all out’ when they’re on the ice. They can play on the power play for their stats.
egelband
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If Jones leaves and turns out to be a Ryan-Graves-level player, I, for one, won’t complain a whit.
That said, I do think the rangers need his ability to make a fast and accurate outlet pass and to lug the puck up the ice quickly, though.
GENESISPuck94
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That guarantees they won't win. If anyone watched last season and thought they were ready to win a Cup they're delusional. And if the Rangers think they are, that just shows how out of touch with reality they are.
They're not even a top 3 team in their own division and they're going to win the Cup becaue Pitlick plays over Othmann or Gustafsson plays over Jones? If the Rangers can't win a Cup with Othmann, Jones, and Cuylle in the lineup that's a huge indictment on the vet core.
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Crease
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This is Hockey’s Future, where potential is more important than actual talent, and if things go sideways you can just fast sim to next season.
If you think othmann should be in over pitlick on the 4th line, then we have bigger disagreements.
egelband
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I appreciate that a prospect playing on the fourth line may not be ‘ideal’ but I also think in many cases it’s a fine path forward. I don’t agree that the fourth line is a dead end, at least not as a blanket policy or belief. And if a team has a solid fourth line it could be an ideal place for a prospect to start.
In "many cases" you'd be right. For first round players, as we've seen again and again, its not.
A player like othmann, needs at minimum to be getting top 9 minutes.
Cuylle is a player I would say 100% could develop further on the 4th line. Because his game suits it, he's a physical player who can chip in goals.
Othmann to me is the inverse of Cuylle. He's a player who scores goals, who can be physical. That identity, which we don't want to strip from his game (the reason we drafted him) , would be supressed on a 4th line.
We want cuylle to continue being physical, and then chip in goals.
See the difference?
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Cuylle on the 4th line is so two weeks ago. Rempe to the 4th line is the new hotness.
Jokes aside, I would funnel whatever resources I can into rounding out his game. Rempe could be a real menace for this team in the near future.
Thought Fox, KAM and Gustafsson looked great. My way too early analysis is that KAM's offense explodes this season.
Othmann didn't look out of place. Don't want him on the 4th line personally but if he has a few good weeks in Hartford he should get a call if any of the top 9 go down for any length of time.
Love Kaapo
Jokes aside, I would funnel whatever resources I can into rounding out his game. Rempe could be a real menace for this team in the near future.
Thought Fox, KAM and Gustafsson looked great. My way too early analysis is that KAM's offense explodes this season.
Othmann didn't look out of place. Don't want him on the 4th line personally but if he has a few good weeks in Hartford he should get a call if any of the top 9 go down for any length of time.
Love Kaapo
Team came out ready to play, ready to skate. They had the jump from puck drop. Took it to the opposition. Good signs.
Kakko was great. He is maturing mentally and physically with more confidence. He just stands out when he is on the ice, using his frame and strength to control the puck and play. I want to continue to see what I saw tonight, which was a more assertive approach offensively. No time thinking, just snap shots off. Very positive signs though. Oh and he was finishing checks with some authority.
Pitlick just seems to have an endless motor. Reminds of Motte although I think Motte has more purpose to his defensive game, whereas Pitlick was getting turned around at times. Still, for the price difference Pitlick could be a bargain in what you need him to bring being on the 4th line 6-8 minutes per game.
Thought Bonino looked fine speed wise. My impression was as I expected, just a smart heady player that you can understand why he has been on winning teams. Responsible.
Wheeler has a big frame too. I thought he looked like he was pacing himself getting acclimated. Not a lot of first step quick leg movement. Some of that speed is still there and it just wasn’t exemplified tonight. But I still believe he will be a fantastic addition to the overall makeup of this team.
Othmann. Kid can play. You see the ability. The offensive awareness. He engages. He isn’t afraid. He can play at this level. BUT. But there is still no need to rush him. I still think it would serve him well to get 1st line minutes in Hartford and be the guy. I could see him being a last cut.
My other take away is Hartford should have a pretty damn good forward group. Rempe and Edstrom are monsters. They both move well for their size. Edstrom has some quality skating and skill combo for what his ceiling likely is which is 3rd line. Leschsyhyn will be a good piece down there for them. Riley Nash. Brodzinski. Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, Berard. Bludh and Belzille. I know I am missing a couple more. But they have a good forward group imo. I think HFD’s success will come down to the Blueline. It is thin in terms of real talent.
Kakko was great. He is maturing mentally and physically with more confidence. He just stands out when he is on the ice, using his frame and strength to control the puck and play. I want to continue to see what I saw tonight, which was a more assertive approach offensively. No time thinking, just snap shots off. Very positive signs though. Oh and he was finishing checks with some authority.
Pitlick just seems to have an endless motor. Reminds of Motte although I think Motte has more purpose to his defensive game, whereas Pitlick was getting turned around at times. Still, for the price difference Pitlick could be a bargain in what you need him to bring being on the 4th line 6-8 minutes per game.
Thought Bonino looked fine speed wise. My impression was as I expected, just a smart heady player that you can understand why he has been on winning teams. Responsible.
Wheeler has a big frame too. I thought he looked like he was pacing himself getting acclimated. Not a lot of first step quick leg movement. Some of that speed is still there and it just wasn’t exemplified tonight. But I still believe he will be a fantastic addition to the overall makeup of this team.
Othmann. Kid can play. You see the ability. The offensive awareness. He engages. He isn’t afraid. He can play at this level. BUT. But there is still no need to rush him. I still think it would serve him well to get 1st line minutes in Hartford and be the guy. I could see him being a last cut.
My other take away is Hartford should have a pretty damn good forward group. Rempe and Edstrom are monsters. They both move well for their size. Edstrom has some quality skating and skill combo for what his ceiling likely is which is 3rd line. Leschsyhyn will be a good piece down there for them. Riley Nash. Brodzinski. Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, Berard. Bludh and Belzille. I know I am missing a couple more. But they have a good forward group imo. I think HFD’s success will come down to the Blueline. It is thin in terms of real talent.
GENESISPuck94
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Othmann - Trocheck - Wheeler 3rd line.
Imagine the Rangers taking a chance and breaking camp with a Cyulle - Rempe - Edstrom 4th line. Good luck to who ever would be defending against them. That forecheck would be ridiculous.
effen
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Dudes not getting claimed. Most teams have some version of him in their system already not playing NHL top 6 minutes.
egelband
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If the team thinks Othmann is ready to contribute on the fourth line and develop into a top nine guy that way, that’s just fine. There’s no hard and fast rule. Each player is different. Really have to trust the development group to know the player. Sure, their track record hasn’t been great recently, but as I understand it they’ve overhauled the development side over the past couple years.
egelband
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Fourth line might not be for Othmann, for sure. I just wouldn’t rule it out and I certainly wouldn’t complain about it if that’s what the team decides.
Guys like kakko who stepped from Finland into the nhl at age 18, or even Lafreniere, I think it’s clear they needed better development. Kakko absolutely should have stayed overseas for another year. Othmann is a different case though. And let’s keep in mind the coaching staff is way different too. Apples and oranges.
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Sounds like the worst 4th line in the league.
Othmann isn’t 18.
He’s also a late first round draft pick and not a top 10. He’s got blemishes, and the best way to fix them is with ice time.
Playing on the 4th line doesn’t get you ice time, so there’s less tape, and you’re more expected to play a safe game, and not make mistakes.
We’ve had years of watching Laf and Kakko not want to make mistakes.
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