Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023

[Avery16]

Clendening got a PTO
That Hartford D full it appears though
Maybe some get echl time

They want a better RD to call up than Emberson.

 

[UnSandvich]

Lesson #1:
You can't stand next to the net when the shooter is a Ranger. 90% chance it goes wide.

If it's Trouba, it's 100%

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability. Jacob Trouba and Blake Wheeler:

 

[Levitate]

the main issue I have with Kakko or Laf on the "third line", even if that line gets the same ES minutes, is that it often ends up being clear taht they are not considered go to players and are in fact being considered "3rd liners"
When you're down in a game, when you need to generate chances, you push your top lines. Dollars to donuts that 3rd line gets short shifted in those circumstances, when what this team is going to need ultimately (somehow) is the Kakko's and the Laf's being the guys to go to for a goal

 

[The Crypto Guy]

They want a better RD to call up than Emberson.

Then they failed if they think Clendening is that guy, the guy who has played 9 NHL games in the last 7 years. He was barely an AHLer last season, while Emberson won defensive dman in his conference.

Clendening isn't sniffing a NHL spot on this team.

 

[duhmetreE]

Miller - Fox makes me wet

Kakko on the 3rd line makes me dry as a bone.

That'd be our checking line. Don't hate/love it but I understand why. He's easily our best 'checking' RW.

Maybe can re-create something similar to the Goodrow Gourde Coleman magic.

I fully expect guys like Goodrow and Trocheck to look a lot better with an actual system and not improv/free flowing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He pulled a Lindgren.

 

[cwede]

They want a better RD to call up than Emberson.

highly doubtful NYR signs Clendening to an NHL contract

he could add depth to Pack, on AHL deal, but they are really deep too
(Roberston/Scanlin, Emberson/Hollowell, Mackey/Harpur, Brouillard/Hillman, Barton/Berzolla)

CBA/AHL/ECHL question - Brouillard is 28 and on his First NHL contract,
is it accurate that, as not on ELC, he cannot be sent to ECHL without agreeing? thanks

 

[will1066]

the main issue I have with Kakko or Laf on the "third line", even if that line gets the same ES minutes, is that it often ends up being clear taht they are not considered go to players and are in fact being considered "3rd liners"
When you're down in a game, when you need to generate chances, you push your top lines. Dollars to donuts that 3rd line gets short shifted in those circumstances, when what this team is going to need ultimately (somehow) is the Kakko's and the Laf's being the guys to go to for a goal

Yes

 

[nyr2k2]

Then they failed if they think Clendening is that guy, the guy who has played 9 NHL games in the last 7 years. He was barely an AHLer last season, while Emberson won defensive dman in his conference.

Clendening isn't sniffing a NHL spot on this team.

Yeah he did okay with Hartford but the dude is no longer an NHL player, if he ever really was.

 

[gravey9]

Lesson #1:
You can't stand next to the net when the shooter is a Ranger. 90% chance it goes wide.

They didn't say it was a shot. Far more likely it was one too many passes.

 

[gravey9]

the main issue I have with Kakko or Laf on the "third line", even if that line gets the same ES minutes, is that it often ends up being clear taht they are not considered go to players and are in fact being considered "3rd liners"
When you're down in a game, when you need to generate chances, you push your top lines. Dollars to donuts that 3rd line gets short shifted in those circumstances, when what this team is going to need ultimately (somehow) is the Kakko's and the Laf's being the guys to go to for a goal

I agree. I'm hopeful that Lavi actually does what a good coach does, which is ride the lines that are playing the best in a given game instead of being a lazy brain and going with the guys with the gawdiest numbers. Part of coaching, part of having 3 lines you can depend on, is using carrots to motivate players to play at their highest level. And that's just something Gallant was terrible at. And many other coaches. But it's something we have seen in the past with coaches like Torts and Keenan and a few others. When you need something to happen, go with their most effective line THAT game.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Today’s Media Availability. Jacob Trouba and Blake Wheeler:

Still no Panarin and his pretend to not speak English BS

 

[Avery16]

highly doubtful NYR signs Clendening to an NHL contract

he could add depth to Pack, on AHL deal, but they are really deep too
(Roberston/Scanlin, Emberson/Hollowell, Mackey/Harpur, Brouillard/Hillman, Barton/Berzolla)

CBA/AHL/ECHL question - Brouillard is 28 and on his First NHL contract,
is it accurate that, as not on ELC, he cannot be sent to ECHL without agreeing? thanks

Do NHL teams typically sign PTOs for players with zero shot of playing above the AHL level? Why not just invite him to the Hartford camp, if that’s the case?

 

[TominNC]

Good to see kakko’s sim has improved.

Still no Panarin and his pretend to not speak English BS

Don’t care. At All

 

[SA16]

Do you have the rankings from the skating drills?

If you watch the videos frame by frame you can calculate the players speed.

 

[cwede]

Do NHL teams typically sign PTOs for players with zero shot of playing above the AHL level? Why not just invite him to the Hartford camp, if that’s the case?

seems to me that, these days, NHL teams do it all the time (see link below)
there are probably at least 40 guys on NHL PTOs, w dozens or more NHL career games, who won't get NHL deals

NA pro hockey is flooded with marginal "AAAA" guys,
who might as easily have NHL deals if fortune swung that way,
who sign AHL to keep the dream alive and the income flowing

Clendening hasn't played in NHL last 4 seasons,
and only played 4 and 5 NHL games the 2 seasons prior to those.
Last year didn't have an NHL deal.

They're doing him a favor, he helped Pack down the stretch last spring,
and keeping the lines open, should unanticipated need arise.
If dressed for a pre-season game, he can count toward the veteran requirement

But unless, and IMHO even if,
injuries spike, or a Jones trade moves Mackey or Harpur into 7th D,
it seems quite unlikely, to me, AC gets an NHL contract

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FYI this post tracks NHL PTOs, and their outcomes;
right now, it's behind a few days but they will get it current before long

PTO: - 2023 Training Camp Thread

01 Legend 02 PTOs Signing NHL Contracts 03 NHL Training Camp PTOs 04 NHL Rookie Camp PTOs 05 NHL Training Camp Rosters 06 NHL Rookie Camp Rosters

forums.hfboards.com

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I know he said lines are going to change but the fact Kakko isn't automatically in the top 6 but f***ing Wheeler is... typical Rangers stupidity.

 

[TGWL]

Plus, you really do not want Trocheck being the puck carrier, because he's not good at it and is prone to turnovers. So depending on how they skate out of their own zone, the puck's gotta go to Kakko to cross the other blue line.

I know there's a lot of negativity with Trocheck being the puck carrier, but he's one of the few players on the team that actually attacks the defenders, despite the turnovers. He pushes the defenders back, where as many just go wide and get rubbed off on the boards. At long as Trocheck is going forward, I'm ok with a turnover here and there when he's attacking the defenders.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know he said lines are going to change but the fact Kakko isn't automatically in the top 6 but f***ing Wheeler is... typical Rangers stupidity.

You literally explain WHY this happens.

It's day 1 on the ice in training camp. He LITERALLY said he was going to try different line combinations.

Nothing here is an indication of what's happening until we see it more than once.

 

[LOFIN]

I know he said lines are going to change but the fact Kakko isn't automatically in the top 6 but f***ing Wheeler is... typical Rangers stupidity.

I'm not really bothered by that because I don't think Kakko and Panarin mix well. I think we've seen plenty of evidence of that. Kakko should be on that top line, and I expect him to end up there eventually.

 

[TGWL]

the main issue I have with Kakko or Laf on the "third line", even if that line gets the same ES minutes, is that it often ends up being clear taht they are not considered go to players and are in fact being considered "3rd liners"
When you're down in a game, when you need to generate chances, you push your top lines. Dollars to donuts that 3rd line gets short shifted in those circumstances, when what this team is going to need ultimately (somehow) is the Kakko's and the Laf's being the guys to go to for a goal

A smart coach is putting out his best players, or the players showing up that night when it comes to creating offense, regardless of what line # they play on.

If you watch the videos frame by frame you can calculate the players speed.

I can't tell if you're being serious here, or trying to justify your lazy reason for what Kakko should be in the top 6. There's plenty of reasons to argue why he should be in the top 6. Talking about the skating drills as why he shouldn't be demoted to line 3 in preseason is not one of them.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Our coaches heads are falling off!

 

[Fitzy]

A Lindgren-Trouba pair just screams “center has to drop deep to start the rush” 98 percent of the time

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability. Peter Laviolette: