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GDT: Training Camp 2023

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Statto said:
So does Laf make the opening night?

I’ve been high on him since the draft - IIRC RJ and KP liked the pick a lot also. So to quote myself…

Anyway getting to my point. It’s very easy to predict failure (and therefore often be correct) because the odds are against most players making it. So if you predict every pick will fail you’ll have a much better than 50/50 hit rate on your predictions. It’s much harder to successfully predict success

So which players have you backed from early on to be good NHL players when not everyone could see it? I always backed Vilardi but for me that’s too obvious - so perhaps exclude top 15 picks. Who else in the system do you think is a not so obvious certain NHL player? I still think Akil Thomas will be (somewhere) despite the setbacks.

I also take on board Laf hasn’t made it yet, but I feel he’s close and has exceeded the early expectations of him already.
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I've always been super hyped about Spence. Likewise, always hyped on Akil as a depth player like trevor lewis.

I was never big on Kupari.

Was moderately wrong about Amadio...or at least, he didn't hit his upside. I liked his game in juniors, bullish on the wall, smart, captain. Yet, i was also misled because one of his scouting reports said he was 6'3" 220 or something :laugh: But he's answered some questions in Vegas. I was wrong about Clague to some degree but that was more about his treatment vs. others rather than his ability, and unfortunately that's all playing out again as I worried.

Edit: there is is, 6'3 nearly 230, lol. That's a completely different player for sure Introducing Michael Amadio - LA Kings Insider
 
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Fagemo wasn’t gonna get top six minutes in LA unfortunately. Maybe he’ll be put in a position to succeed in Nashville.

I still see Laf and Turcotte in Ontario. Maybe called up with injuries.

I’m still not sure Turcotte ever makes it to LA. His chances are a bit better but still a long shot imho.
 
Kudelski37 said:
I can't wait until the Kings have to start trading RFAs to be cap compliant.
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They already did that with Vilardi. Expect to see the same thing happen to Kaliyev or Spence next summer when Blake inevitably needs to make another trade for short-term upgrades and he can't afford to even give them the modest raises they'll be in line for.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
Laf made Fagemo irrelevant at possibly taking over 2nd line RW. I would say Akil is next up at RW and if there is a chance for him it’s at 4th line RW, not a place for Fagemo.

Also, Maltsev is only 25 and can score.
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Blake's had 4 years to find a way to give him a real shot before waivers and he's failed him the same way he's failed Bjornfot, Kaliyev, Spence, Clarke, Parik, Thomas, JAD, Moverare, and others, and soon Turcotte and Bjornfot...played guys who are no longer even in the organization over them despite them outplaying said journeymen. I don't expect that to stop anytime soon.

You would think a team needing cap compliance would be even MORE eager to see what they've got for young, hungry, and cheap but they keep just going hard in the opposite direction, it's absolutely insane
 
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BaileyFan said:
They already did that with Vilardi. Expect to see the same thing happen to Kaliyev or Spence next summer when Blake inevitably needs to make another trade for short-term upgrades and he can't afford to even give them the modest raises they'll be in line for.
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Vilardi and Kupari were RFAs, but I said to be cap compliant...like MN trading Fiala for futures. Trading those two just made the cap problem worse. If Byfield and Kaliyev bust out this year, one will likely be gone next summer.
 
kingsboy11 said:
Damn I knew there was an outside shot he'd get claimed, but didn't think he would. Not the end of the world, but if you knew you were signing Lewis you may have wanted to start looking at regaining some assets there
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Maybe we tried to recoup some assets and no one was interested? I don't understand how we traded away five NHL regulars from last season (Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, Durzi, and Walker), returning a single NHL player (PLD), and we're still losing decent guys on waivers. There's still a good chance we lose Bjornfot to waivers as well. I'm not even opposed to losing those guys, I just don't know how you're not sure what you have four years in.
 
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It’s so funny when people act like there was no space for them in the roster when Blake has done everything in his power to f*** over the prospects by plugging up roster spots via trade.


I don’t care if Fagemo wasn’t going to be at that level. It’d be smart management to give them a chance to fail rather than them remaining as untested in terms of competency and capability.


There’s not one person with given context that thinks it’s not weird that Byfield doesn’t have a f***ing center position available.

But what did the Kings do instead? Rather than giving byfield a shot, they traded pretty clearly the most talented player from the rebuild in Vilardi for PLD to take up the center position at max term and contract. How the f*** is that logical?
 
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kilowatt said:
Maybe we tried to recoup some assets and no one was interested? I don't understand how we traded away five NHL regulars from last season (Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, Durzi, and Walker), returning a single NHL player (PLD), and we're still losing decent guys on waivers. There's still a good chance we lose Bjornfot to waivers as well. I'm not even opposed to losing those guys, I just don't know how you're not sure what you have four years in.
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Still losing decent guys on waivers AND not recouping assets in the process of losing 6+ guys.

If you're telling me you can't even recycle SOME of them into lower picks, you're telling me you can't do your job, from drafting to development to asset management via clogged slots and no opportunity.
 
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Kings could claim someone else.

Fagemo is a RW - the only RW spots available are next season...

Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Moore-Danault-???
Fialal-PLD-Kayilev
Grundstrom-Lizotte-???

I would either assume the Kings re-sign Arvidsson OR let Laffy take that spot.
 
I was never high on Fagemo, he's a 40 point AHL guy, they grown on trees. I don't see the upside, he's maybe Tchakev level on offense when he's at his best. Maybe Nashville gets something out of him, but he really didn't fit here. He's marginally better than Madden, and not as good as Thomas. The guy was 306th in ppg in the AHL last year. Not a perfect stat because there are guys that pop in for 10 games or so, but that says a lot about his production. He was set up for bomb after bomb in the preseason, and he finally got one after his hundredth attempt or so.

It would have been nice to get a 5th or 6th for him, hell even futures. But I doubt people would be lining up for Fagemo and no team will bid against themselves. He's not hopeless, but he needs a perfect situation to become a regular and that wasn't here.
 
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Steve Zissou said:
JAD or Lewis should have been put on waivers rather than Fagemo. Un-f***ing-believable.

Just lost him for absolutely zero.

Isn't this why Blake signed Englund to the 2 year term? So he could be put on waivers and most teams wouldn't claim him because of the extra year.

F you Blake.
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JAD is far better than Fagemo, the gap between them is large. I think a lot of folks around here are attached to what they think Fagemo should be or become, rather than the actual Fagemo himself.
 
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Fishhead said:
JAD is far better than Fagemo, the gap between them is large.
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No. And they are 2 completely different players at that.

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I think a lot of folks around here are attached to what they think Fagemo should be or become, rather than the actual Fagemo himself.
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Funny, this works for JAD as well. JAD has at least played in about 100 NHL games while Fagemo only a handful. If anything, JAD has regressed. Fagemo hasn't even played in enough games to know what we have in him at the NHL level.

This is why Blake mentioned he signed Englund to that extra year. To prevent other teams against claiming him off waivers.

This is not JAD vs Fagemo argument, rather, it's Fagemo vs Englund. Lewis is on his very last leg, so I would throw him into that conversation with Englund as well.

But it's also about asset management.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
There it is. Well done, Blake. Terrific asset mgmt just letting a high pick rot on the vine because you're too stubborn to ever sit a vet, even those who aren't on the team anymore.

Next up, Bjornfot.
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But the slow cooking is going to work, everyone else just has no clue what they are doing! You watch, five years from now everyone will be using their AHL affiliate like the Kings, everyone taking guys in the Top 5 will punt their entire ELC’s.

In certain cases there are players who develop much slower and reach their peak much older, and people like Axl will as always point out the 5% outliers, but for the vast majority of players this slow cook is going to lead to players just never having a chance to reach the NHL roster before waivers hit.

It doesn’t take 3+ years to develop top 5 picks, it doesn’t take 5-6 years to develop late 1st and 2nd rounders, it just doesn’t, no matter how many times “Yank” repeats this lie to Pravda, it still is a lie.
 
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