GDT: Training Camp 2023

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I don't see how you can have both Spence and Clarke on the active roster. Stop dicking around,
make your choice and fully support that player. Then send the other down to play #1 minutes - possibly with a chip on his shoulder.

You are going to get secondary offense from that #3 RHD spot either way. Inexperienced and smallish defense too, so there won't much variety in results between the two. The #3 LHD is the one where you might need the benefit of two players with different stylistic options in Englund and Bjornfot.
 
I don't see how you can have both Spence and Clarke on the active roster. Stop dicking around,
make your choice and fully support that player. Then send the other down to play #1 minutes - possibly with a chip on his shoulder.

You are going to get secondary offense from that #3 RHD spot either way. Inexperienced and smallish defense too, so there won't much variety in results between the two. The #3 LHD is the one where you might need the benefit of two players with different stylistic options in Englund and Bjornfot.
It does make sense to not have both Spence and Clarke in there. The problem with Englund is he makes $1M. A couple hundred thousand more doesn't sound like a lot, but it allows the team to bank some cap. If Englund is on the roster there might be substantially less space at the deadline.

I suspect the Kings will start with fewer players as health usually isn't an issue early on and bank as much as they can.
 
Englund over Bjornfot and Spence over Clarke.

Kings now have zero toughness with Doty, Hodgson and Helenius gone and opposing players will just be taking runs at whatever small RHD (Clarke or Spence).
 
Englund over Bjornfot and Spence over Clarke.

Kings now have zero toughness with Doty, Hodgson and Helenius gone and opposing players will just be taking runs at whatever small RHD (Clarke or Spence).
I’m genuinely not trying to be a dick here, so please do not take this as being combative or belittling.

Do you think about anything else a hockey player brings to the table other than toughness? Because Englund straight up cannot defend at the NHL level.

You think Edler or Durzi were tough to watch in their own end? Englund is a house of cards, that isn’t all that tough or imposing either.
 
I live in Kitchener. How has Pinelli looked so far?
He hasn't stood out. Not necessarily a bad thing. He's still adjusting to the pro game.

I think the biggest issue for him has been adjusting to the Kings' system (they use different terms than other teams, so I've heard) and he's not really had time to gel with any teammates. The assignment to the AHL is no surprise.
 
I don't really care about banking the cap to start the year. They can't keep 23 and its another unforced error.

It will undoubtedly be the major story all year long. Unless a player with significant salary gets hurt, the Kings will be screwed with any minor injuries to the depth players.
 
I don't really care about banking the cap to start the year. They can't keep 23 and its another unforced error.

It will undoubtedly be the major story all year long. Unless a player with significant salary gets hurt, the Kings will be screwed with any minor injuries to the depth players.

Not many teams can keep 23, it's happening around the league. I think it's going to be normal to go with 21 or 22 for the next couple of years until the cap increases catch up. I don't think it's so much of an error as it is a reality.

Normally I wouldn't care about banking either, but a goalie may be a real need.
 
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I’m genuinely not trying to be a dick here, so please do not take this as being combative or belittling.

Do you think about anything else a hockey player brings to the table other than toughness? Because Englund straight up cannot defend at the NHL level.

You think Edler or Durzi were tough to watch in their own end? Englund is a house of cards, that isn’t all that tough or imposing either.
Edler looked bad last year. Durzi was always great offensively and horrible defensively. Englund hasn't looked bad besides the Cooley inside out move.

Bjornfot has looked horrible.

I was a fan of Akil Thomas and they sent him down. He's not a fighter. I want youth and size - not soft old vets or smallish puck movers.

There are too many Arvidsson, Kayilev, Fiala, Moore type of players and not enough PLD or Grundstrom types on this roster. Spence and Clarke are small. I stood next to Anderson, he looked like a 14 year old boy. Love him, but he's small.
 
I don't see how you can have both Spence and Clarke on the active roster. Stop dicking around,
make your choice and fully support that player. Then send the other down to play #1 minutes - possibly with a chip on his shoulder.

You are going to get secondary offense from that #3 RHD spot either way. Inexperienced and smallish defense too, so there won't much variety in results between the two. The #3 LHD is the one where you might need the benefit of two players with different stylistic options in Englund and Bjornfot.
Agreed. I think Spence has earned it over Clarke at this point. He’s more polished and he has less to gain from playing big minutes in the AHL. Easy decision in my eyes.
 
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Edler looked bad last year. Durzi was always great offensively and horrible defensively. Englund hasn't looked bad besides the Cooley inside out move.

Bjornfot has looked horrible.

I was a fan of Akil Thomas and they sent him down. He's not a fighter. I want youth and size - not soft old vets or smallish puck movers.

There are too many Arvidsson, Kayilev, Fiala, Moore type of players and not enough PLD or Grundstrom types on this roster. Spence and Clarke are small. I stood next to Anderson, he looked like a 14 year old boy. Love him, but he's small.

Spence is small, yeah. But Anderson is bigger than Thomas, I know that. Almost the same height but Mikey is a lot heavier and thicker. Ain't gonna lie though, he does look like he's 14.

I don't think Clarke is that small either at 6' 2" and 190.
 
What happened to Akil Thomas? He had top 6 potential in the OHL and even scored a hattrick and still sent down? Kings don't have a spot for him and he's one of those top 6 or bust players?

Mostly that the Kings are ridiculous and put 2024's lineup in pen in July 2023.

There's clearly nothing any of these kids could have done to win a spot short of axe murdering an entire line in front of them AND anyone who happened to be older than them in the AHL

The inviting anyone but the 21 oldest players to camp is pretty clearly nothing more than an NHLPA-mandated formality


He hasn't stood out. Not necessarily a bad thing. He's still adjusting to the pro game.

I think the biggest issue for him has been adjusting to the Kings' system (they use different terms than other teams, so I've heard) and he's not really had time to gel with any teammates. The assignment to the AHL is no surprise.

f***in of course they do

These are the smartest men in hockey
 
I wonder how much the Australia games affected the younger guys in camp? They would have had at least an extra week with the vets and the coaches, which would have been helpful.

It really played into the hand of a guy like Laferriere, he's older and they don't let idiots into Harvard. Others that had already been around the team, like Bjornfot, Moverare, Clarke, and Turcotte also looked far more comfortable. I think it has been a disadvantage for the newer guys.

And I think it reinforced what we've been seeing out of JAD and Fagemo, they should be excelling, but aren't standing out.
 
He could. Heck, maybe the Ducks just want an extra forward.

That's my message.

People underestimate the cap issues for better teams and some young teams like Ottawa as well as just how bad last year's tank teams were.

Kings are ripe for the plucking.
 
He's 23 and doesn't even really stand out in the AHL, a little over a point every 2 games. He's not as close to good as Lias Andersson, who is also on waivers.

I think he's the most likely to be taken from our group, but that's not saying much.
I think there are some differences with Lias.

Teams might see some potential in Samuel due to the fact he didnt really get a chance @ NHL level. Andersson showed little to nothing in more than 60 NHL games before he went back to Sweden. LA even traded a 2nd round pick for him.

We should never judge a goal scorer on PPG either. Fagemo did really well in the AHL, lets not forget that.

we will see.
 
The NHLPA is such a terrible union, how is it not in the CBA that each team is required to have 23 active players on the roster? If a bunch of teams have 22 active players, and some even may have 21, that is so many high six figure NHL jobs not being paid and the players instead make peanuts in the AHL.
 
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The NHLPA is such a terrible union, how is it not in the CBA that each team is required to have 23 active players on the roster? If a bunch of teams have 22 active players, and some even may have 21, that is so many high six figure NHL jobs not being paid and the players instead make peanuts in the AHL.
Because the NHLPA cares more about the big contract stars, who aren't negatively impacted by this. NHLPA doesn't give a shit about players making league minimum.

Not that I disagree with you. But the NHLPA has historically shown they look out for the big money guy more.
 
Because Englund straight up cannot defend at the NHL level.
You're basing this on 3 pre season games?

Go see what Avs fans who watched him most of last year thought. They have pretty favorable views of his play.

The analytics show his defensive impact is pretty good.

No way of knowing for sure, but I think there's a good chance he's our starting 3LD.
 
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Article by Hoven on his general prediction of the upcoming roster. He thinks they'll go with 12 F, 7 D, and 2 G.

Also thinks only one of Clarke or Spence will be on the opening night roster. Leaving the 7th D man as Englund. Other will get top pairing in the AHL.

With them already waiving Moverare, it looks like the most sense. Better to have Moverare on the AHL top pairing and healthy scratching Englund. Frankly, I think he's been awful. Slow feet, slow turn radius, struggling to read the play, etc.

My own guess regarding Clarke and Spence - with Clarke playing alongside Connauton in a preseason game, I get the feeling they already decided to keep Spence up and send Clarke to the AHL.

Grundstrom was also mentioned as a lock. And that Rittich is the expected goalie to go down.

If all that is accurate, it would look like:
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - PLD - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Bjornfot - Spence
Englund

Talbot
Copley

And I get the feeling these decisions were all made long before training camp even started.
 
I’m genuinely not trying to be a dick here, so please do not take this as being combative or belittling.

Do you think about anything else a hockey player brings to the table other than toughness? Because Englund straight up cannot defend at the NHL level.

You think Edler or Durzi were tough to watch in their own end? Englund is a house of cards, that isn’t all that tough or imposing either.

I’ve been posting here in some form or another since 2007, and this is the only thing he knows how to talk about.
 

Article by Hoven on his general prediction of the upcoming roster. He thinks they'll go with 12 F, 7 D, and 2 G.

Also thinks only one of Clarke or Spence will be on the opening night roster. Leaving the 7th D man as Englund. Other will get top pairing in the AHL.

With them already waiving Moverare, it looks like the most sense. Better to have Moverare on the AHL top pairing and healthy scratching Englund. Frankly, I think he's been awful. Slow feet, slow turn radius, struggling to read the play, etc.

My own guess regarding Clarke and Spence - with Clarke playing alongside Connauton in a preseason game, I get the feeling they already decided to keep Spence up and send Clarke to the AHL.

Grundstrom was also mentioned as a lock. And that Rittich is the expected goalie to go down.

If all that is accurate, it would look like:
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - PLD - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Bjornfot - Spence
Englund

Talbot
Copley

And I get the feeling these decisions were all made long before training camp even started.
And like I said, management give the youth no opportunities to win a job/spot. They have failed the youth in this organization for multiple years. They are now in the black-hole of missing out on good draft picks and trading picks away for 1st/2nd round playoff exits. It's the late 90s/early 2000s all over again. They didn't learn form history and now are doomed to repeat it.
 
I don't know if management/coaching has stated it explicitly, but it's pretty clear they do want at least a bit of toughness on the roster or else they wouldn't have traded for MacEwen last year.

With no forwards of that ilk left, the only remaining option is Englund.
 
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