GDT: Training Camp 2022

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Huberdeau and Kadri are going to crumble under the pressure of being primary offensive drivers for a whole season. They’ve never had less support in their careers.

Things are easier when you’re in the middle of December and can just look on your left on the bench to see Matthews and Barkov. Not so easy when you look to your left and see the other guy looking right back at you.

That is actually a great analysis of the situation.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Just a reminder who started the play which led to the game winning goal.

 

[Cloned]

That is actually a great analysis of the situation.

As always.

It was one of my more eloquent posts, lol.

 

[Spawn]

Huberdeau and Kadri are going to crumble under the pressure of being primary offensive drivers for a whole season. They’ve never had less support in their careers.

Things are easier when you’re in the middle of December and can just look on your left on the bench to see Matthews and Barkov. Not so easy when you look to your left and see the other guy looking right back at you.

I think you're doing a bit of a disservice to Huberdeau tbh. He's 4th in the league in points over the past 4 seasons and led the Panthers in scoring in the past 3 seasons and its not like he's not going to have a good line. He's going to be centered by Lindholm who put up 40 goals and 80 points last season.

I don't think the Flames have anything to worry about with Huberdeau.

Kadri on the other hand... This past season was a hell of an outlier.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Radim Zahorna... placed on waivers by Pittsburgh Oct 2nd... picked off waivers by Calgary on October 3rd... back on waivers by Calgary on October 8th.

So there's a situation where we may see if Pittsburgh can claim him back and send him down to the AHL without having to pass him through waivers again (that's assuming no one else claims him and that's of course assuming that Pittsburgh even wants him back).

 

[Cloned]

I think you're doing a bit of a disservice to Huberdeau tbh. He's 4th in the league in points over the past 4 seasons and led the Panthers in scoring in the past 3 seasons and its not like he's not going to have a good line. He's going to be centered by Lindholm who put up 40 goals and 80 points last season.

I don't think the Flames have anything to worry about with Huberdeau.

Kadri on the other hand... This past season was a hell of an outlier.

It’s going to be different for Huberdeau without Barkov’s puck possession and size. He’s used to more space in the offensive zone with Barkov drawing so much attention.

It’s going to be different for Lindholm without Gaudreau’s speed and agility. He’s used to ninja’ing his way into scoring positions and waiting for Gaudreau to distract defenders with dynamic puck handling before getting setup by nice Gaudreau passes.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It’s going to be different for Huberdeau without Barkov’s puck possession and size. He’s used to more space in the offensive zone with Barkov drawing so much attention.

It’s going to be different for Lindholm without Gaudreau’s speed and agility. He’s used to ninja’ing his way into scoring positions and waiting for Gaudreau to distract defenders with dynamic puck handling before getting setup by nice Gaudreau passes.

Supposedly Barkov and Huberdeau didn't play much together at ES the last few years.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Just a reminder who started the play which led to the game winning goal.

Hanifin?

 

[Spawn]

It’s going to be different for Huberdeau without Barkov’s puck possession and size. He’s used to more space in the offensive zone with Barkov drawing so much attention.

It’s going to be different for Lindholm without Gaudreau’s speed and agility. He’s used to ninja’ing his way into scoring positions and waiting for Gaudreau to distract defenders with dynamic puck handling before getting setup by nice Gaudreau passes.

As BBO mentioned, Huberdeau didn't really play much with Barkov the last couple of seasons at ES. Last season the vast majority of his time was with Bennett as his C and the season before that was Wennberg. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it for Huberdeau to crash and burn in Calgary. But I can't help but think it might be wishful thinking.

I'd be content to see Kadri's production crash though.

Just a reminder who started the play which led to the game winning goal.

There really is something special about Gaudreau's last moment as a Flame turning away from the check on Draisaitl in a do or die overtime only to see Drai complete the pass for the OT winner.

 

[Rengorlex]

There really is something special about Gaudreau's last moment as a Flame turning away from the check on Draisaitl in a do or die overtime only to see Drai complete the pass for the OT winner.

I'm pretty sure he was operating within the system. It's funny, but I don't think he was intentionally cheating, he was just trying to cover the defenceman.

 

[Senor Catface]

Just a reminder who started the play which led to the game winning goal.

 

[Fourier]

As BBO mentioned, Huberdeau didn't really play much with Barkov the last couple of seasons at ES. Last season the vast majority of his time was with Bennett as his C and the season before that was Wennberg. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it for Huberdeau to crash and burn in Calgary. But I can't help but think it might be wishful thinking.

I'd be content to see Kadri's production crash though.


There really is something special about Gaudreau's last moment as a Flame turning away from the check on Draisaitl in a do or die overtime only to see Drai complete the pass for the OT winner.

It is true that they did not play together that much at ES but the impact was still significant. They played together 385 minutes at ES out of the 1883 ES minutes Huberdeau played. But in that time Huberdeau had 30 of his 109 points. So that is 28% of his points in 20% of the time. But if you include all situations 48% of Huberdeau's points over the last two years were with Barkov on the ice.

Huberdeau has been more reliant on pp points than on ES points compared to other top scorers. He is 3rd in the league over the last two years in pp points but 7th in ES points and 13th 5 vs 5. Over the last two years Gaudreau had 99 5 vs 5 points to 80 for Gaudreau.

 

[Spawn]

It is true that they did not play together that much at ES but the impact was still significant. They played together 385 minutes at ES out of the 1883 ES minutes Huberdeau played. But in that time Huberdeau had 30 of his 109 points. So that is 28% of his points in 20% of the time. But if you include all situations 48% of Huberdeau's points over the last two years were with Barkov on the ice.

Huberdeau has been more reliant on pp points than on ES points compared to other top scorers. He is 3rd in the league over the last two years in pp points but 7th in ES points and 13th 5 vs 5. Over the last two years Gaudreau had 99 5 vs 5 points to 80 for Gaudreau.

Whether you are talking 3rd, 7th, 13th or however you want to break it down to make him look worse, you are still talking about the elite of the elite.

These are the kinds of arguments Oiler haters have been using for years to try and downplay Draisaitl’s abilities.

 

[Cloned]

As BBO mentioned, Huberdeau didn't really play much with Barkov the last couple of seasons at ES. Last season the vast majority of his time was with Bennett as his C and the season before that was Wennberg. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it for Huberdeau to crash and burn in Calgary. But I can't help but think it might be wishful thinking.

I'd be content to see Kadri's production crash though.


There really is something special about Gaudreau's last moment as a Flame turning away from the check on Draisaitl in a do or die overtime only to see Drai complete the pass for the OT winner.

I was going to say what Fourier said, but he said it better.

Huberdeau is still a good player. But Gaudreau is more individually dynamic and Calgary relied a lot on that dynamic play to generate offense. I’d expect Huberdeau to put up 70-80 points this year. Lindholm will likely drop to 60 points. These are still good numbers but not as good as last year was for the Flames.

Also no one mentions this but Gaudreau draws a crap ton of penalties. He’s an offense generating machine between his zone entries, puck possession and penalties drawn. Huberdeau isn’t nearly as good. And he’s more reliant on PP points too, so less PPs is a double whammy there.

 

[Rengorlex]

I was going to say what Fourier said, but he said it better.

Huberdeau is still a good player. But Gaudreau is more individually dynamic and Calgary relied a lot on that dynamic play to generate offense. I’d expect Huberdeau to put up 70-80 points this year. Lindholm will likely drop to 60 points. These are still good numbers but not as good as last year was for the Flames.

Last year wasn't going to repeat either way. That whole top line had a massive outlier year.

 

[Cloned]

Last year wasn't going to repeat either way. That whole top line had a massive outlier year.

It had a better chance of coming close with the same players than with Huberdeau though.

 

[Fourier]

Whether you are talking 3rd, 7th, 13th or however you want to break it down to make him look worse, you are still talking about the elite of the elite.

These are the kinds of arguments Oiler haters have been using for years to try and downplay Draisaitl’s abilities.

Huberdeau is no doubt an elite playmaker. But he is also a lot more one dimensional than a guy like Draisaitl. What makes Draisaitl so special is his ability to modify his game depending on who he plays with.

Now what Huberdeau has going for him is that he is playing with two guys who have a record as finishers. So I expect he will still get a lot of points. But if you watch him, he's not the play driver a guy like Gaudreau is. So its not clear that line will be as dominant.

 

[Fourier]

I was going to say what Fourier said, but he said it better.

Huberdeau is still a good player. But Gaudreau is more individually dynamic and Calgary relied a lot on that dynamic play to generate offense. I’d expect Huberdeau to put up 70-80 points this year. Lindholm will likely drop to 60 points. These are still good numbers but not as good as last year was for the Flames.

Also no one mentions this but Gaudreau draws a crap ton of penalties. He’s an offense generating machine between his zone entries, puck possession and penalties drawn. Huberdeau isn’t nearly as good. And he’s more reliant on PP points too, so less PPs is a double whammy there.

Huberdeau and Kadri actually drew more penalties over the last two years than Gaudreau and Tkachuck respectively. But they also played on the two teams that had by far the most pp opportunities than any other teams in the league.

I do agree that Guadreau is more individually dynamic. And as for the Oilers I think he was much more challenging to contain off the rush than Huberdeau might be. HUberdeau is a great passer though so the danger happens if teh Oilers get hemmed in their own zone when he is on the ice.

 

[Whyme]

I was going to say what Fourier said, but he said it better.

Huberdeau is still a good player. But Gaudreau is more individually dynamic and Calgary relied a lot on that dynamic play to generate offense. I’d expect Huberdeau to put up 70-80 points this year. Lindholm will likely drop to 60 points. These are still good numbers but not as good as last year was for the Flames.

Also no one mentions this but Gaudreau draws a crap ton of penalties. He’s an offense generating machine between his zone entries, puck possession and penalties drawn. Huberdeau isn’t nearly as good. And he’s more reliant on PP points too, so less PPs is a double whammy there.

I agree with you both but also think Spawns point was valid. Anyway Gaudreau was by far the best ES scorer in the NHL this season, but quite far behind the top in the couple of seasons before that. Huberdeau has been a more solid ES scorer, but no top like Gaudreau had this year. Drai was a bit off from the top this season, but he's been a solid peeformer in the highest top. This from just the stats point, you guys know and can compare the players better than me.

 

[Cloned]

Huberdeau and Kadri actually drew more penalties over the last two years than Gaudreau and Tkachuck respectively. But they also played on the two teams that had by far the most pp opportunities than any other teams in the league.

I do agree that Guadreau is more individually dynamic. And as for the Oilers I think he was much more challenging to contain off the rush than Huberdeau might be. HUberdeau is a great passer though so the danger happens if teh Oilers get hemmed in their own zone when he is on the ice.

Gaudreau was a good passer as well.

I just don’t think Huberdeau can bring that same kind of offense generation. Gaudreau was pretty much the perfect linemate for Lindholm’s game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think you're doing a bit of a disservice to Huberdeau tbh. He's 4th in the league in points over the past 4 seasons and led the Panthers in scoring in the past 3 seasons and its not like he's not going to have a good line. He's going to be centered by Lindholm who put up 40 goals and 80 points last season.

I don't think the Flames have anything to worry about with Huberdeau.

Kadri on the other hand... This past season was a hell of an outlier.

You're not factoring in the scoring depth of the Florida Panthers and how much goal scoring went on with that club, and with playing primarily against EC. High scoring games and blowouts seemed more common in the East.

The last season of Huberdeau was outlier as well and will never be repeated by him.

Plus Huberdeau is not a primary goal scorer. he's a feed guy. Flames aren't exactly loaded with the kind of weapons Florida had.

Huberdeau might not get PPG this season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

As BBO mentioned, Huberdeau didn't really play much with Barkov the last couple of seasons at ES. Last season the vast majority of his time was with Bennett as his C and the season before that was Wennberg. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it for Huberdeau to crash and burn in Calgary. But I can't help but think it might be wishful thinking.

I'd be content to see Kadri's production crash though.


There really is something special about Gaudreau's last moment as a Flame turning away from the check on Draisaitl in a do or die overtime only to see Drai complete the pass for the OT winner.

I can't think anything but that Hanifin should be in the hall of shame for making that pass in OT. He had an assist on the scoring play.

it would seem the modicum of common sense would be pass puck to other D or to Lindholm who is good at taking short passes and getting it out, or dump it out, anything better than a perfect lame duck pass to Drai sitting on the boards. Drai read that play before it happened and Hanifin just handed him the puck.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

 

[booyakasha]

Great news, bodes well for the start of the season.
I like the fact that the only worries we have going into the season is where players will slot in the line up, rather than who is needed to plug in place in the meantime.

 

[McAsuno]