Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp 2022/23

[Mortimer Snerd]

Certainly in many respects, again as I’ve said before obviously ya know I think with respect to ya know again each and every player in all aspects certainly ya know our focus is again obviously how we’re certainly fortunate to have an opportunity in many respects like we’ve said before.

Uuummmm, can you repeat that? I think I lost the thread of what you were trying to say.

 

[buggs]

Looking forward to this season -

If Bowness can get through with his message, we should see a completely different game from the same players.
That's asking a lot and will take some time - it's more than just understanding the message, it's also transitioning that message into their game - consistently.

Personally, I'm much more interested in seeing what this roster can do before we decide it isn't good enough.
It might not be pretty in the early stages - I can see us looking a little sloppy until the players adjust - I'm ok with that but will require patience.

Training camp is step one and it looks encouraging - once the season gets started, my time will be spent watching to confirm who is buying in and who isn't - hopefully I don't have to worry too much about the later.

IMO, the major unknown at this point, for both Bowness and the players, is accountability - talk the talk, walk the walk.

I'm kind of wondering if we don't look considerably better sooner than everyone is expecting. The systems in place under Maurice led to lots of missed assignments and guys moving out of position that really opened it up for opposing offensive players in our zone. That seemed to lead to a lot of goals against. I expect a move back to systems that are both familiar to most players and more simple systems that are easier to understand. I think Mau had good ideas but I'm not sure that all his players thought at that level and the learning curve was very steep for many. Basically it seemed Maurice was asking players to suspend most of their knowledge of how to play defensive schemes that they'd been using back through the preceding 10 years of their career - basically play counterintuitively.

Couple that with playing some havoc in the neutral zone and we should be a substantially harder team to play against.

I sit in the opposing team attack zone and have seen an awful lot of play through two periods for the last couple of years. While that's nice from an in game perspective it generally has led to poorer outcomes for the home team. I hope Bowness can reduce the time spent in our own zone.

 

[Jet]

Yup.

It's easy to talk, much harder to do. Lets see what this team looks like early in the year.

I just hope people don't go apocalyptic too soon. We have a tough schedule to start and a lot of these guys have to unlearn some pretty crap hockey lol

 

[Jet]

I'm kind of wondering if we don't look considerably better sooner than everyone is expecting. The systems in place under Maurice led to lots of missed assignments and guys moving out of position that really opened it up for opposing offensive players in our zone. That seemed to lead to a lot of goals against. I expect a move back to systems that are both familiar to most players and more simple systems that are easier to understand. I think Mau had good ideas but I'm not sure that all his players thought at that level and the learning curve was very steep for many. Basically it seemed Maurice was asking players to suspend most of their knowledge of how to play defensive schemes that they'd been using back through the preceding 10 years of their career - basically play counterintuitively.

Couple that with playing some havoc in the neutral zone and we should be a substantially harder team to play against.

I sit in the opposing team attack zone and have seen an awful lot of play through two periods for the last couple of years. While that's nice from an in game perspective it generally has led to poorer outcomes for the home team. I hope Bowness can reduce the time spent in our own zone.

Not to add anymore drama but what if Hellebuyck can't adjust to having fewer/ lower quality chances against every game? He seems to be a guy who plays better when he gets more action.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I just hope people don't go apocalyptic too soon. We have a tough schedule to start and a lot of these guys have to unlearn some pretty crap hockey lol

This place after we are down 1-0 after the first pre season game

 

[Heldig]

Liking what I am hearing from Bones so far. Now we just have to do it

I like Team Hawerchuk and Team Steen. Nice homage to the old Jets (and Bowness was one of em).

 

[SCP Guy]

Not to add anymore drama but what if Hellebuyck can't adjust to having fewer/ lower quality chances against every game? He seems to be a guy who plays better when he gets more action.

Don't see that being an issue.... Goalies do not like going 10 minutes between shots but none like facing a bunch of high danger chances....

 

[Jet]

Don't see that being an issue.... Goalies do not like going 10 minutes between shots but none like facing a bunch of high danger chances....

yeah - probs worrying about nothing haha. We do seem to see Hellebuyck let in a higher percentage of goals in the first 5 or so shots of the game. Might just be biased - I'd love to see some stats around that

 

[SoCalJetsFan]

Certainly in many respects, again as I’ve said before obviously ya know I think with respect to ya know again each and every player in all aspects certainly ya know our focus is again obviously how we’re certainly fortunate to have an opportunity in many respects like we’ve said before.

It would be brilliant if one of the media guys did an article titled something like "Chevy Talks Turkey With Us" then goes on to spew a word salad similar to what you did.

I like Chevy but he rarely gives an actual answer to a question.

 

[surixon]

I'm kind of wondering if we don't look considerably better sooner than everyone is expecting. The systems in place under Maurice led to lots of missed assignments and guys moving out of position that really opened it up for opposing offensive players in our zone. That seemed to lead to a lot of goals against. I expect a move back to systems that are both familiar to most players and more simple systems that are easier to understand. I think Mau had good ideas but I'm not sure that all his players thought at that level and the learning curve was very steep for many. Basically it seemed Maurice was asking players to suspend most of their knowledge of how to play defensive schemes that they'd been using back through the preceding 10 years of their career - basically play counterintuitively.

Couple that with playing some havoc in the neutral zone and we should be a substantially harder team to play against.

I sit in the opposing team attack zone and have seen an awful lot of play through two periods for the last couple of years. While that's nice from an in game perspective it generally has led to poorer outcomes for the home team. I hope Bowness can reduce the time spent in our own zone.

Our nz schemes the last few seasons were an absolute dumpster fire. The passive 1-2-2 or 1-1-3 we ran continually allowed the opposition to attack through the nz with speed. This either forced our dmen to back into the zone giving the opposition easy access or the opposition was able to chip and beat our players to the puck establishing zone time.

I'm glad Bones is looking to slow the opposition down on the nz and prevent more clean zone entries.

 

[Guardian17]

 

[Guardian17]

 

[LowLefty]

I'm kind of wondering if we don't look considerably better sooner than everyone is expecting. The systems in place under Maurice led to lots of missed assignments and guys moving out of position that really opened it up for opposing offensive players in our zone. That seemed to lead to a lot of goals against. I expect a move back to systems that are both familiar to most players and more simple systems that are easier to understand. I think Mau had good ideas but I'm not sure that all his players thought at that level and the learning curve was very steep for many. Basically it seemed Maurice was asking players to suspend most of their knowledge of how to play defensive schemes that they'd been using back through the preceding 10 years of their career - basically play counterintuitively.

Couple that with playing some havoc in the neutral zone and we should be a substantially harder team to play against.

I sit in the opposing team attack zone and have seen an awful lot of play through two periods for the last couple of years. While that's nice from an in game perspective it generally has led to poorer outcomes for the home team. I hope Bowness can reduce the time spent in our own zone.

I'd agree with the bold if the systems they take on are familiar to the players and simple (or more simple) - I really don't know what the systems will look like, if they are simple, or if they are already familiar with them.
I would assume there will be an adjustment period regardless - and I'm not assuming they will be a mess while they sort it out, but things could be a little scattered as they get everyone in sync. Timelines will likely play a role - how will each individual player adapt and will they all catch on all at the same time? This will likely be a significant change - I'd think adapting to the change will be factor.

Totally agree that with your last points - they will come out of this much better if they get on board and there is accountability.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Really went from being neutral on the Bowness hiring, to now liking the hiring very much.

I think that hands off approach with Maurice wasn't what a younger team like ours needed, and eventually allowed for all the problems that crept in.

Bowness seems like he has the ability to both micro and macro mange a team depending on what it needs; sensing obviously this team needs a micro approach at this time.

Add in the Jets history, knowledge and comfortableness with our media and city, hiring is making more sense to me by the minute.

 

[abax44]

I just hope people don't go apocalyptic too soon. We have a tough schedule to start and a lot of these guys have to unlearn some pretty crap hockey lol

This place will be a shit hole the moment the Jets lose their first game. It'll compound from there. I honestly think some people would find a reason to be mad even if the team won it all.

 

[Hunter368]

Really went from being neutral on the Bowness hiring, to now liking the hiring very much.

I think that hands off approach with Maurice wasn't what a younger team like ours needed, and eventually allowed for all the problems that crept in.

Bowness seems like he has the ability to both micro and macro mange a team depending on what it needs; sensing obviously this team needs a micro approach at this time.

Add in the Jets history, knowledge and comfortableness with our media and city, hiring is making more sense to me by the minute.

Agreed

Winnipeg is a blue collar working man's city, Rick is very much that type of guy also. Good fit

 

[surixon]

I'd agree with the bold if the systems they take on are familiar to the players and simple (or more simple) - I really don't know what the systems will look like, if they are simple, or if they are already familiar with them.
I would assume there will be an adjustment period regardless - and I'm not assuming they will be a mess while they sort it out, but things could be a little scattered as they get everyone in sync. Timelines will likely play a role - how will each individual player adapt and will they all catch on all at the same time? This will likely be a significant change - I'd think adapting to the change will be factor.

Totally agree that with your last points - they will come out of this much better if they get on board and there is accountability.

My guess is we see what we will be under Bones by the 10th game of the season. That should be more then enough time to commit the system muscle memory.

 

[Jet]

Man, you really appreciate the precision and speed of passing in a small rink like that

 

[Mud Turtle]

Aggressive in the D zone?
Aggressive in the O zone?
Aggressive in the neutral zone?!

Could it be? Can we let ourselves dream that the ultra effective “pack of wolves” play will come back this year and allow this team to play to its strengths?

I can’t help it. I’m getting excited!!

 

[enuffidiotsalready]

My guess is we see what we will be under Bones by the 10th game of the season. That should be more then enough time to commit the system muscle memory.

May take a bit longer
patience, grasshopper

 

[Guardian17]

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Aggressive in the D zone?
Aggressive in the O zone?
Aggressive in the neutral zone?!

Could it be? Can we let ourselves dream that the ultra effective “pack of wolves” play will come back this year and allow this team to play to its strengths?

I can’t help it. I’m getting excited!!

Ooh yeah baby, I'm feelin' it...

 

[macmaroon]

This place after we are down 1-0 after the first pre season game

Oh come on Joe, we're not like that...

 

[macmaroon]

Ooh yeah baby, I'm feelin' it...

Nate Thompson is also...

 

[voyageur]

Connor-Scheifele-Ehlers as the top line I like it.

Heinola starting on his offside is an easier way to progress up to a higher pairing.