GDT: Trades & Free Agency

[BertCorbeau]

The market for Bert and Domi is interesting .. I think Domi would sacrifice money for term and stability… Bert might too but if his heater carries into the playoffs, his payday gets bigger

 

[Gary Nylund]

We shall see.

He's going to be in the twilight of his career, I wonder if he really takes a hair cut, 900k-1.5M range? At some point, money doesn't buy the immortality of a cup.

Hard to see anyone giving THAT big a discount but if he actually did this, he'd instantly be elevated to Toronto Maple Leaf Super Hero status!!

 

[WTFMAN99]

Hard to see anyone giving THAT big a discount but if he actually did this, he'd instantly be elevated to Toronto Maple Leaf Super Hero status!!

I look at it as giving back a bit for this year and next where he's clearly not a 11M player.

Spezza and Giordano probably could have gotten 1-1.5M deals but chose to take pretty much the minimum here, Tavares career earnings are probably better.

I also do think there is a chance for him to work with the organization beyond just being a player, he loves the game. Take minimum for a few years with us, keep us in a win now mode for cheap and then get a nice 100-200k a year job in the organization.

 

[Kiwi]

When I look at our roster the glaring holes I see are middle 6C and 1RD

I think Domi can play center in a pinch but he's better suited to the wing and we need to sort out a partner for Rielly now and for the future

I also worry about Woll, he's talented but injury prone and I think we need at least a 1B with a good injury history backing him up

I think one of the holes needs to be filled by trade, I don't think we can afford two big ticket players in one off-season

 

[WTFMAN99]

When I look at our roster the glaring holes I see are middle 6C and 1RD

I think Domi can play center in a pinch but he's better suited to the wing and we need to sort out a partner for Rielly now and for the future

I also worry about Woll, he's talented but injury prone and I think we need at least a 1B with a good injury history backing him up

I think one of the holes needs to be filled by trade, I don't think we can afford two big ticket players in one off-season

Roy / DeMelo would be good partners for Rielly - not high end but Pietrangelo hitting UFA is a rarity.

Stolarz / Woll has some promising potential - Hildeby waiting in the wings, Woll got his start due to an injury prone Murray, maybe Hildeby gets a chance next year?

Middle six centre? Wennberg or Monahan should be reasonable guys to sign in the off-season which could play both special teams.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I look at it as giving back a bit for this year and next where he's clearly not a 11M player.

Spezza and Giordano probably could have gotten 1-1.5M deals but chose to take pretty much the minimum here, Tavares career earnings are probably better.

I also do think there is a chance for him to work with the organization beyond just being a player, he loves the game. Take minimum for a few years with us, keep us in a win now mode for cheap and then get a nice 100-200k a year job in the organization.

He's not expected to be an 11 million player at this point in his career. When you sign a UFA the age JT was, decline is to be expected and there is zero reason to expect him to give anything back. If he does, we should be grateful as is always the case when a player gives a discount.

So Spezza left less than a million on the table. Depending on how JT plays next season, his market value might be around 5 million if not more. If he agreed to play for 1-1.5 million, that would be extremely generous on his part and unless there are contracts I'm not aware of, that would be the biggest discount in NHL history by far and not really comparable to what Spezza did.

I stand by what I said. If JT were to sign a 1 year deal for 1.5 million, he'd be one of the biggest superheroes in Leaf history!

 

[Kiwi]

Roy / DeMelo would be good partners for Rielly - not high end but Pietrangelo hitting UFA is a rarity.

Stolarz / Woll has some promising potential - Hildeby waiting in the wings, Woll got his start due to an injury prone Murray, maybe Hildeby gets a chance next year?

Middle six centre? Wennberg or Monahan should be reasonable guys to sign in the off-season which could play both special teams.

I like Roy but the cost scares me

I wouldn't trust Hildeby yet, he's to young and Woll is to injury prone, I'd like a 1B like Samsonov ideally

Both may be a bit expensive, I wonder if we trade for somebody cheap and try to make it work that way like Johansen at 50% from Philly or a young guy like Glass from the preds

 

[TMLAM34]

Edited your post for accuracy. ;-)

I'm not sure Hayton would be available, plus he's due a new contract, despite this year's injury is getting a raise to around $3-4 mil... there is no way we can afford that if we keep Bertuzzi and Domi.

Even fitting in McBain's cap would be difficult. McBain just hasn't figured out faceoffs yet either, and is getting caved on ice... I like McBain, but he hasn't progressed this year, the way that I'd thought he would.

Upgrading the 3C next year, is going to be tough, especially if we keep Bertuzzi and Domi...

McBain will figure it out, especially if he’s slotted in between Knies and Nylander. But he would definitely need to work on his faceoffs, which having Matthews and Tavares around would help I’m sure.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I like Roy but the cost scares me

I wouldn't trust Hildeby yet, he's to young and Woll is to injury prone, I'd like a 1B like Samsonov ideally

Both may be a bit expensive, I wonder if we trade for somebody cheap and try to make it work that way like Johansen at 50% from Philly or a young guy like Glass from the preds

Roy I think might go 5.5-5.75M x4-5 years, DeMelo might be 4-5M x3-4 years, I am comfortable up until those numbers.

If Woll was splitting starts more than carrying the roster, someone like Stolarz this year would be a solid guy to pair with him. Stolarz has had decent stats everywhere he's played with some pretty bad teams in front of him, Florida is actually a good team in front of him and he's doing better now. I don't think they'll be able to afford to keep him with Reinhart and maybe Montour extensions to come. I don't really like anyone else as a UFA but 2.75M x 2 on Stolarz or abouts would be fine.

Johansen is cooked and Glass looked like he rebounded last year on Nashville and this year looks like that kid that was a bust. Wennberg should be what? 4M x 2? Monahan 2.5-3M x2?

 

[Fogelhund]

Anybody got details on this kids game?

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[Torontonian]

The market for Bert and Domi is interesting .. I think Domi would sacrifice money for term and stability… Bert might too but if his heater carries into the playoffs, his payday gets bigger

I'd be comfortable signing both players to 4 to 5 years deals.

What the AAV would be is a different story.

 

[aingefan]

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Drag, sounded like an interesting dude.
And to a rival.

 

[Kiwi]

Roy I think might go 5.5-5.75M x4-5 years, DeMelo might be 4-5M x3-4 years, I am comfortable up until those numbers.

If Woll was splitting starts more than carrying the roster, someone like Stolarz this year would be a solid guy to pair with him. Stolarz has had decent stats everywhere he's played with some pretty bad teams in front of him, Florida is actually a good team in front of him and he's doing better now. I don't think they'll be able to afford to keep him with Reinhart and maybe Montour extensions to come. I don't really like anyone else as a UFA but 2.75M x 2 on Stolarz or abouts would be fine.

Johansen is cooked and Glass looked like he rebounded last year on Nashville and this year looks like that kid that was a bust. Wennberg should be what? 4M x 2? Monahan 2.5-3M x2?

I think both those deals may be low, good top 4 RD are hard to find and I could see some teams getting desperate

I wouldn't mind that but I want a backup we can trust, I wonder if Samsonov may be available again to, his meltdown was pretty spectacular

Not a ton of centers around so I wonder if they get overpriced, anything over 4M makes it tough on us and we may need to look at some cheap less than ideal options

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think both those deals may be low, good top 4 RD are hard to find and I could see some teams getting desperate

I wouldn't mind that but I want a backup we can trust, I wonder if Samsonov may be available again to, his meltdown was pretty spectacular

Not a ton of centers around so I wonder if they get overpriced, anything over 4M makes it tough on us and we may need to look at some cheap less than ideal options

I've done a few scenarios, I'll try to post tomorrow on my afternoon shift.

 

[Americanadian]

Nic Roy should be a target in the off-season. He can play 3C and he’s signed for 3 seasons after this. Vegas theoretically should be off loading contracts this summer and he's been a 3M 4C for them. I’d offer Holmberg (cheap, NHL player) and Minten for him.

Re-sign Domi 3-3.5Mx5.

Domi-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Roy-Nylander
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves (personally I’d move off Kampf’s money ASAP)

That would leave ~14M to fill out the 3 RD spots and a backup goalie.

 

[TMLAM34]

Nic Roy should be a target in the off-season. He can play 3C and he’s signed for 3 seasons after this. Vegas theoretically should be off loading contracts this summer and he's been a 3M 4C for them. I’d offer Holmberg (cheap, NHL player) and Minten for him.

Re-sign Domi 3-3.5Mx5.

Domi-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Roy-Nylander
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves (personally I’d move off Kampf’s money ASAP)

That would leave ~14M to fill out the 3 RD spots and a backup goalie.

Would love Roy. He’d be a fantastic target/addition.

 

[Kiwi]

I've done a few scenarios, I'll try to post tomorrow on my afternoon shift.

I've done a bunch to, I can make a good team but it's hard to know how much the cap jump will affect AAV'S until we see a few

 

[Rare Jewel]

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Nice signing for them.

Still, there are more than a few Euro UFA's to go for.

 

[SprDaVE]

Leafs are missing out on a lot of solid prospect free agents. Tsyplakov still is probably the last top end free agent available as far as I know.

 

[LeafParade]

With the chemistry that Matthews and Domi have shown and the fact that this off season ought to focus on upgrading the D-core / goaltending, would you be in favour of offering Max Domi 4×4 million and running something like this in 2024 in terms of top 10 forwards.

Jarnkrok-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares- Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Nylander
Robertson or Cowan

Or are you in the camp that thinks the Leafs ought to add another forward to this top 9 + 2 group?

I have the same 1st three lines next year.

Unless Cowan can show he can play C and bump Holmberg down to the 4th line, he is going back to junior.
Too many wingers competing for spots right now. Cowan isn't sticking around to play on the 4th line.

Not sure what happens with Robertson.
If he ends up on the 4th line, he needs a C that isn't a complete blackhole going forward. If Holmberg ends up being bumped to the 4th line, than it isn't the end of the world for him. We know Holmberg/Robertson + someone else does seem to work.

Kampf is certainly gone.

 

[uncleben]

Leafs are missing out on a lot of solid prospect free agents. Tsyplakov still is probably the last top end free agent available as far as I know.

I'd love to sign at least one more FA, like Tsyplakov, but we're doing alright, so far
~40% of the League has yet to sign anyone, and only 7 teams have signed more than us - I'd argue that Quillan was one of the bigger names signed

1. Dallas x 4: Connor Punnett, Luke Krys, Justin Hryckowian, Ben Kraws
2. Boston x 3: Joey Abate, Drew Bavaro, Jaxon Nelson
Florida x 3: Ben Steeves, Cooper Black, Mikulas Hovorka
4. Edmonton x 2: Connor Ungar, James Stefan
New Jersey x 2: Mikael Diotte, Dylan Wendt
Seattle x 2: Lleyton Roed, Victor Ostman
Tampa Bay x 2: Milo Roelens, Gabriel Szturc
8. Anaheim x 1: Tomas Suchanek
Calgary x 1: Sam Morton
Carolina x 1: Juha Jaaska
Colorado x 1: Ivan Ivan
Columbus x 1: Max McCue
Minnesota x 1: Samuel Hlavaj
Nashville x 1: Gustavs Grigals
NY Islanders x 1: Cam Thiesing
Philadelphia x 1: Oscar Eklind
San Jose x 1: Collin Graf
Toronto x 1: Jacob Quillan
Vancouver x 1: Christian Felton
Washington x 1: Zach Funk
21. Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Detroit
Los Angeles
Montreal
NY Rangers
Ottawa
Pittsburgh
St. Louis
Vegas
Winnipeg

 

[LeafParade]

Leafs are missing out on a lot of solid prospect free agents. Tsyplakov still is probably the last top end free agent available as far as I know.

When the Leafs interviewed Tysplakov, they asked him about potentially playing C.
I thought it was an interesting piece of info.

 

[sxvnert]

Maxim Tsyplakov, a 6-foot-3, 200-pound

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs are missing out on a lot of solid prospect free agents. Tsyplakov still is probably the last top end free agent available as far as I know.

Making the Leafs roster isn't easy at this point. We might not be the favourite destination, of guys who want to be guaranteed to be in the NHL right now... if he was a C, as @LeafParade suggested he had been asked about, that would be easier than trying to break into this team as a winger.

 

[1specter]

Making the Leafs roster isn't easy at this point. We might not be the favourite destination, of guys who want to be guaranteed to be in the NHL right now... if he was a C, as @LeafParade suggested he had been asked about, that would be easier than trying to break into this team as a winger.

Yeah, it's going to be tough for any FA winger to come through. Robertson isn't even playing regularly, Steeves hasn't even gotten a sniff despite multiple strong AHL seasons, McMann had to practically force his way onto the team, etc. And there's still guys like Tverberg, Abruzzese etc lurking in the background. I imagine Bert won't be brought back which could create an opportunity but I'm sure there are other NHL wingers Treliving will go after.