GDT: Trades & Free Agency

[ACC1224]

Bertuzzi has bad wrists and ankles. I'd be wary of signing him to any long term deal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bertuzzi has bad wrists and ankles. I'd be wary of signing him to any long term deal.

I like him but the term with him is a bit scary...I've liked Domi quite a bit, not a perfect player but adds speed, toughness and good playmaking, he has a decent shot he doesn't use nearly enough.

Defense is probably more of a priority especially given our prospect pool is pretty strong on wing.

 

[ACC1224]

I like him but the term with him is a bit scary...I've liked Domi quite a bit, not a perfect player but adds speed, toughness and good playmaking, he has a decent shot he doesn't use nearly enough.

Defense is probably more of a priority especially given our prospect pool is pretty strong on wing.

I wanted absolutely nothing to do with Domi but he's been a pleasant surprise.
I've accepted he'll never be strong defensively, only the PIMs remain a concern.

 

[sxvnert]

Tavares isn't going anywhere.

If he decides to pull a Sundin then you tell him to take a hike after next season regardless.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I wanted absolutely nothing to do with Domi but he's been a pleasant surprise.
I've accepted he'll never be strong defensively, only the PIMs remain a concern.

I believe he's had 5 fighting majors

97 PIM

25 in fighting majors...I don't know if he got any instigators but a little higher but we get penalized more than we should be, I swear.

 

[sxvnert]

Bertuzzi has bad wrists and ankles. I'd be wary of signing him to any long term deal.

LTIR will take care of that.

 

[Fogelhund]

If he decides to pull a Sundin then you tell him to take a hike after next season regardless.

That would be foolish... if the guy wants to extend at $4mil or so... you aren't going to find a better C at that price.... It depends on the price though.

 

[ACC1224]

If he decides to pull a Sundin then you tell him to take a hike after next season regardless.

He'll be a UFA after next season but I would doubt very much there would be any bad feelings. They will offer him a sizable pay cut to stay and he'll make a decision.
Fletcher completely botched things with Sundin, not sure why we'd hope for that to occur with Tavares.

I believe he's had 5 fighting majors

97 PIM

25 in fighting majors...I don't know if he got any instigators but a little higher but we get penalized more than we should be, I swear.

Knies is also a concern.

LTIR will take care of that.

Maybe or he plays through it.

 

[sxvnert]

They will offer him a sizable pay cut to stay and he'll make a decision.

Or Tre could see him for what he is and move on to a cheaper option. The country club tour for vets has gotten tiring (Spezza, Gio, Thornton...).

 

[ACC1224]

Or Tre could see him for what he is and move on to a cheaper option. The country club tour for vets has gotten tiring (Spezza, Gio, Thornton...).

Maybe, but I'd be surprised.
I don't recall anyone having issues with Spezza or Giordano.

 

[Fogelhund]

Or Tre could see him for what he is and move on to a cheaper option. The country club tour for vets has gotten tiring (Spezza, Gio, Thornton...).

Sure, Tre would see a guy, who in his worst year has 60 points, 60% in the Faceoff dot.

The guy is 33, not 40...

This Tavares hate is beyond ridiculous... exactly where are you going to find a 60 point guy, 60% in faceoffs, for "cheaper".... and I'm talking cheaper than $4-5 mil, not the current price.

Spezza and Gio have provided tremendous value for this team, given their contracts. To dislike that is silly.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He'll be a UFA after next season but I would doubt very much there would be any bad feelings. They will offer him a sizable pay cut to stay and he'll make a decision.
Fletcher completely botched things with Sundin, not sure why we'd hope for that to occur with Tavares.


Knies is also a concern.

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Maybe or he plays through it.

I think Knies has 1 major, so 38 PIM in 76 games?

Taking 19 penalties in 76 games isn't so bad, a minor every 4 games?

 

[ACC1224]

I think Knies has 1 major, so 38 PIM in 76 games?

Taking 19 penalties in 76 games isn't so bad, a minor every 4 games?

I don't recall the major but when you break it down you're right it doesn't seem so bad.
Feels like it's more than every 4 games though.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't recall the major but when you break it down you're right it doesn't seem so bad.
Feels like it's more than every 4 games though.

Maybe it's been more frequent recently.

I wouldn't mind getting JT and Knies 1-2 games off ahead of the playoffs, JT looked fresher coming off the all-star break and for Knies, this is the most hockey he's played in a year.

 

[sxvnert]

Spezza and Gio have provided tremendous value for this team, given their contracts. To dislike that is silly.

At the cost of someone younger/skilled vs having to shoe horn Spezza/Gio/Thornton/Simmonds because of seniority/loyalty.

Assuming Tavares will sign anything less then 6m (still wouldn't) is wishful dreaming. Not to mention the permanent spots throughout the lineup (PP1/2C) because hes the captain/core four salary..etc. Rather spend that money elsewhere throughout the lineup and continuing to build around the real future Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

 

[Fogelhund]

At the cost of someone younger/skilled vs having to shoe horn Spezza/Gio/Thornton/Simmonds because of seniority/loyalty.

Assuming Tavares will sign anything less then 6m (still wouldn't) is wishful dreaming. Not to mention the permanent spots throughout the lineup (PP1/2C) because hes the captain/core four salary..etc. Rather spend that money elsewhere throughout the lineup and continuing to build around the real future Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

Oh.. .please do tell who was younger more skilled, and would have provided more than Spezza or Gio did... that were somehow kept out of the lineup.... ??

I guess we'll see what Tavares signs for... and he will resign here... and I do think it will be very team friendly. Assuming he won't resign here, is wishful dreaming.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Oh.. .please do tell who was younger more skilled, and would have provided more than Spezza or Gio did... that were somehow kept out of the lineup.... ??

I guess we'll see what Tavares signs for... and he will resign here... and I do think it will be very team friendly. Assuming he won't resign here, is wishful dreaming.

I'd probably go the Tampa Bay / Stamkos route, it's either going to be a deal that makes sense or you move on because you're trying to be competitive, they'd have all the reason in the world to be sentimental, longer history and 2 cups.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'd probably go the Tampa Bay / Stamkos route, it's either going to be a deal that makes sense or you move on because you're trying to be competitive, they'd have all the reason in the world to be sentimental, longer history and 2 cups.

The next Stamkos deal will be a good template for Tavares. Stamkos is actually putting up more points, but is significantly worse 5v5. I think Stamkos is going to be around $4 mil as well.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The next Stamkos deal will be a good template for Tavares. Stamkos is actually putting up more points, but is significantly worse 5v5. I think Stamkos is going to be around $4 mil as well.

Stamkos has moved to wing as well, a less premium position.

I'm really curious if we got some better centre depth if JT could produce more offensively with less responsibility in playing centre, he could probably still take draws as that skill hasn't really deteriorated.

 

[Fogelhund]

Stamkos has moved to wing as well, a less premium position.

I'm really curious if we got some better centre depth if JT could produce more offensively with less responsibility in playing centre, he could probably still take draws as that skill hasn't really deteriorated.

His play, as the shut down C, the last few games has been pretty good. If the cap continues to move up, and we can sign him for $4.x then we should be able to get a 2C at $6-8.... we shall see though.

 

[WTFMAN99]

His play, as the shut down C, the last few games has been pretty good. If the cap continues to move up, and we can sign him for $4.x then we should be able to get a 2C at $6-8.... we shall see though.

We shall see.

He's going to be in the twilight of his career, I wonder if he really takes a hair cut, 900k-1.5M range? At some point, money doesn't buy the immortality of a cup.

 

[ACC1224]

We shall see.

He's going to be in the twilight of his career, I wonder if he really takes a hair cut, 900k-1.5M range? At some point, money doesn't buy the immortality of a cup.

Leafs will have all the leverage. I’m sure they will be fair but he’ll have no choice but to accept their offer, assuming he has no interest in leaving

 

[IrishInOntario]

With the chemistry that Matthews and Domi have shown and the fact that this off season ought to focus on upgrading the D-core / goaltending, would you be in favour of offering Max Domi 4×4 million and running something like this in 2024 in terms of top 10 forwards.

Jarnkrok-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares- Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Nylander
Robertson or Cowan

Or are you in the camp that thinks the Leafs ought to add another forward to this top 9 + 2 group?

 

[TMLAM34]

With the chemistry that Matthews and Domi have shown and the fact that this off season ought to focus on upgrading the D-core / goaltending, would you be in favour of offering Max Domi 4×4 million and running something like this in 2024 in terms of top 10 forwards.

Jarnkrok-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares- Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Nylander
Robertson or Cowan

Or are you in the camp that thinks the Leafs ought to add another forward to this top 9 + 2 group?

It’ll be tough but if there is anyway to keep both Domi and Bertuzzi, I would do that. They’ve worked really well with Matthews and it allows Marner to play on another line. I always found we play our best team hockey when Matthews and Marner are separated and when the opposing team has 3 lines to worry about.

I would love to find a way to upgrade on Holmberg at the 3C. Hayton or McBain would be my target using Robertson and Holmberg as trade chips to swap with Arizona.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Knies - McBain - Nylander

Great blend of skill, size and physicality in that top nine.

 

[Fogelhund]

It’ll be tough but if there is anyway to keep both Domi and Bertuzzi, I would do that. They’ve worked really well with Matthews and it allows Marner to play on another line. I always found we play our best team hockey when Matthews and Marner are separated and when the opposing team has 3 lines to worry about.

I would love to find a way to upgrade on Holmberg at the 3C. Hayton or McBain would be my target using Robertson and Holmberg as trade chips to swap with UTAH.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Knies - McBain - Nylander

Great blend of skill, size and physicality in that top nine.

Edited your post for accuracy. ;-)

I'm not sure Hayton would be available, plus he's due a new contract, despite this year's injury is getting a raise to around $3-4 mil... there is no way we can afford that if we keep Bertuzzi and Domi.

Even fitting in McBain's cap would be difficult. McBain just hasn't figured out faceoffs yet either, and is getting caved on ice... I like McBain, but he hasn't progressed this year, the way that I'd thought he would.

Upgrading the 3C next year, is going to be tough, especially if we keep Bertuzzi and Domi...