GDT: Trades & Free Agency

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I had an idea that definitely is sketchy AF that could help us based on precedent set by COL/WSH

Washington traded Grubauer and Orpik to Colorado and Colorado bought out Orpik, he signed in Washington afterwards.

Could we partner up with Arizona?

We pay the July 1st bonus to Tavares, they file arbitration with a player to open up a second buy out window? He's only owed 910k real money, they get to the floor.

Leafs could then sign Tavares to a 1 year deal for 2-3M for being a good soldier, he's no worse off financially, if anything he's ahead.

Vegas is willing to exploit the CBA to the max, why shouldn't we? If we were the first team to do this, I don't think we'd get away with this but the league allowed it with COL/WSH already, why would some teams be allowed to do this and not others right?
Not sure what kind of asset can be offered to Arizona in this case though? Colorado didn't mind having a buyout of Orpik on its books because they were getting a starting goalie out of it. Tavares will also be making twice the amount that Orpik was signed for IIRC. Don't know that we could pull this off even if we were permitted to do so?
 
Not sure what kind of asset can be offered to Arizona in this case though? Colorado didn't mind having a buyout of Orpik on its books because they were getting a starting goalie out of it. Tavares will also be making twice the amount that Orpik was signed for IIRC. Don't know that we could pull this off even if we were permitted to do so?

Well real money since we paid the bonus out would be pretty minimal, they're getting to the cap floor, their financial situation is dire and might require the NHL buying/owning the team.

We could give them a mid-late round pick and/or a second-third tier prospect.
 
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Is there a reason we waived Lagesson over Gregor? Gregor is easily replaced and wild Bill plays a more valued position and can take a shift. Gregor doesn't even appear to be skating that fast anymore. With Dewar, Gregor is likely not going to see a playoff game unless there are injuries and/or Holmberg falls off. Hell, Robertson should easily get a lineup spot before Gregor
The short term evidence is GP (55-30 for Gregor) and the longer term picture is RFA status for Gregor versus pending UFA for Lagesson.
 
Well real money since we paid the bonus out would be pretty minimal, they're getting to the cap floor, their financial situation is dire and might require the NHL buying/owning the team.

We could give them a mid-late round pick and/or a second-third tier prospect.
We do that quite easily if that's the extent of it. I imagine the biggest hurdle here though is the NMC for Tavares. I don't believe that Orpik had any sort of clause in his contract back then. This entire scenario probably and unfortunately doesn't pass the smell test if Tavares waives that clause only to then return to Toronto in relatively short order.
 
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Let's be realistic here the truth is Tavares isn't going anywhere. Our only hope is, as bad as it sounds, he's somehow done with playing hockey and retires or he requires "surgery" in the off season and is out for the year. He's not going to be bought out or traded. We're screwed for one more year. Our best bet is try to convince Marner to waive his NTC and move on from him.
 
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I had an idea that definitely is sketchy AF that could help us based on precedent set by COL/WSH

Washington traded Grubauer and Orpik to Colorado and Colorado bought out Orpik, he signed in Washington afterwards.

Could we partner up with Arizona?

We pay the July 1st bonus to Tavares, they file arbitration with a player to open up a second buy out window? He's only owed 910k real money, they get to the floor.

Leafs could then sign Tavares to a 1 year deal for 2-3M for being a good soldier, he's no worse off financially, if anything he's ahead.

Vegas is willing to exploit the CBA to the max, why shouldn't we? If we were the first team to do this, I don't think we'd get away with this but the league allowed it with COL/WSH already, why would some teams be allowed to do this and not others right?
Tavares would not be eligible to be bought out by Arizona (or anyone other than the Leafs in the 2nd buyout window.

The only players eligible to be bought out in a teams 2nd window are players making over 4.5M who were on the roster of the team buying the player out at the last trade deadline. The bolded would exclude anyone other than the Leafs buying him out after the Leafs paid the bonus as he would not have been on the buyouts teams roster at the previous trade deadline.
 
Tavares would not be eligible to be bought out by Arizona (or anyone other than the Leafs in the 2nd buyout window.

The only players eligible to be bought out in a teams 2nd window are players making over 4.5M who were on the roster of the team buying the player out at the last trade deadline. The bolded would exclude anyone other than the Leafs buying him out after the Leafs paid the bonus as he would not have been on the buyouts teams roster at the previous trade deadline.

Got it, thanks for the clarification.

So I guess the only way this would work is if the signing bonus date for Tavares is before the first buy out window.

Similar to how Martin Jones had a signing bonus scheduled for around the time they were going to waive him as a deterrent.

I think that wrinkle has come up at different points for other players in that not everyone is on July 1st but not sure Dubas planned for this scenario so many years ago.

I think I will write the idea off though, fun idea for a brief moment lol.
 
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Got it, thanks for the clarification.

So I guess the only way this would work is if the signing bonus date for Tavares is before the first buy out window.

Similar to how Martin Jones had a signing bonus scheduled for around the time they were going to waive him as a deterrent.

I think that wrinkle has come up at different points for other players in that not everyone is on July 1st but not sure Dubas planned for this scenario so many years ago.

I think I will write the idea off though, fun idea for a brief moment lol.
Yeah and since the contract year runs from Jul1 to Jun 30 and the ordinary buyout period ends June 30- it could never work as the bonus needs to be July 1 or later.

This came up with Marleau trade and buyout too as most of his last year salary was bonus as well. The other problem with buyouts of bonus laden contracts is very little cap relief as the entire bonus counts as cap hit in yr paid if a buyout- no 1/3 reduction and no spreading over 2 years.

NHL GMs need to be saved from themselves. They need a rule that full NMC cannot be included in last year of a contract or only available on contracts over X years. Otherwise you end up with the Tarasenko situation 1 yr deal and no ability to get any return at deadline as he can dictate where he goes
 
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Yeah and since the contract year runs from Jul1 to Jun 30 and the ordinary buyout period ends June 30- it could never work as the bonus needs to be July 1 or later.

This came up with Marleau trade and buyout too as most of his last year salary was bonus as well. The other problem with buyouts of bonus laden contracts is very little cap relief as the entire bonus counts as cap hit in yr paid if a buyout- no 1/3 reduction and no spreading over 2 years.

NHL GMs need to be saved from themselves. They need a rule that full NMC cannot be included in last year of a contract or only available on contracts over X years. Otherwise you end up with the Tarasenko situation 1 yr deal and no ability to get any return at deadline as he can dictate where he goes
The Tarasenko contract entirely being a one-year deal is a different situation IMO. Giving out that NTC might have felt irrelevant to OTT since they ostensibly were planning on contending/not selling at the trade deadline. The Marleau situation likely became one due to the change in GM.
 
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The Tarasenko contract entirely being a one-year deal is a different situation IMO. Giving out that NTC might have felt irrelevant to OTT since they ostensibly were planning on contending/not selling at the trade deadline. The Marleau situation likely became to be one due to the change in GM.
Dorion thought he was in his window of unparalleled success :) Turns out that window was more of a peephole than a window

The full NTC in the last year of a contract really kills deadline value. Same as Hawks with Kane last year, could not get a 1st for him because of his NTC. It would have to be collectively bargained but I wonder if their needs to be a mechanism to compensate players to waive that clause and at the same time give the team full ability to trade them to a contender. I.e. Player can still refuse to waive his valid clause and stay put but if he does waive it with in 1 week of the deadline it is open to any team in the top 10 of each conference. In exchange the player gets the greater of 10% of his AAV or $500K and it counts against the old teams cap.
 
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If you want names sure, Roy and Demelo, if want realistic target, ask me in two months when we're closer to the off-season and I know who's available. It not unrealistic to say Treliving go to sign two dman for $4-6M each

Great... so the approach of accumulating #4 defencemen continues...
 
Is there a reason we waived Lagesson over Gregor? Gregor is easily replaced and wild Bill plays a more valued position and can take a shift. Gregor doesn't even appear to be skating that fast anymore. With Dewar, Gregor is likely not going to see a playoff game unless there are injuries and/or Holmberg falls off. Hell, Robertson should easily get a lineup spot before Gregor

Rielly
Brodie
McCabe
Liljegren
Lyubushkin
Edmundson
Giordano
Benoit
Timmins

9 defencement that will likely slot above Lagesson come playoff time.
 
Off-season

To Toronto: John Marino
To New Jersey: Timothy Liljegren + Nick Robertson + 2026 TOR 3rd Rounder

To Toronto: Filip Gustavsson
To Minnesota: Rights to Ilya Samsonov + Ryan Tverberg

UFA Signing: Brady Skjei - 7x7
UFA Re-Signing: Ilya Lyubushkin - 3 years, 2.5 per.

Backend -

Rielly - Marino
Skjei - Lyubushkin
Benoit - McCabe

Gustavsson - Woll
 
Off-season

To Toronto: John Marino
To New Jersey: Timothy Liljegren + Nick Robertson + 2026 TOR 3rd Rounder

To Toronto: Filip Gustavsson
To Minnesota: Rights to Ilya Samsonov + Ryan Tverberg

UFA Signing: Brady Skjei - 7x7
UFA Re-Signing: Ilya Lyubushkin - 3 years, 2.5 per.

Backend -

Rielly - Marino
Skjei - Lyubushkin
Benoit - McCabe

Gustavsson - Woll

Leafs say no to the first one

Minnesota says no to the 2nd one - Samsonov is a pendinga UFA, rights are not worth much at all.

I'd recommend a different defenseman that Skjei - a RD for once would be nice.
 
Great... so the approach of accumulating #4 defencemen continues...
Roy and Demelo are both underrated dman who not much people talk about. You may label them as a only #4 dman, that fine. Who don't need big named dman making 9M or more. We just need someone to play around 20mins a game.

Roy doing that in LA and Demelo is on the Jets top paring line.
 
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Off-season

To Toronto: John Marino
To New Jersey: Timothy Liljegren + Nick Robertson + 2026 TOR 3rd Rounder

To Toronto: Filip Gustavsson
To Minnesota: Rights to Ilya Samsonov + Ryan Tverberg

UFA Signing: Brady Skjei - 7x7
UFA Re-Signing: Ilya Lyubushkin - 3 years, 2.5 per.

Backend -

Rielly - Marino
Skjei - Lyubushkin
Benoit - McCabe

Gustavsson - Woll

Skjei at 7M seems fine/fair? Lyubushkin at 2.5M is really bad though, especially for 3 years.

I don't see NJD making that kind of deal... just doesn't do much for what they are going for at all but the value probably is fine.

Why does Minny want Samsonov for Gustavsson who is locked up for 2 more season at sub 4M? Just to get an average prospect?
 
Skjei at 7M seems fine/fair? Lyubushkin at 2.5M is really bad though, especially for 3 years.

I don't see NJD making that kind of deal... just doesn't do much for what they are going for at all but the value probably is fine.

Why does Minny want Samsonov for Gustavsson who is locked up for 2 more season at sub 4M? Just to get an average prospect?
I don’t see Lyubushkin getting less than 2 million per. I think he’s done a decent job here in Toronto since returning and there isn’t any other defensive defenceman in free agency that would be affordable if giving 7 million to Skjei.

I would go as far as attaching our 1st in a deal for Marino, whatever it takes to get him out of New Jersey and I’m sure he’s far from being untouchable especially with Hamilton and Nemac already on the right side.

Gustavsson for Samsonov was more so a wash, both goalies have struggled this season after having career years. If Gustavsson continues his play, that contract might not be very appealing with multiple years left on it.

At the end of the day, it’s all just wishful thinking lol.
 
Roy and Demelo are both underrated dman who not much people talk about. You may label them as a only #4 dman, that fine. Who don't need big named dman making 9M or more. We just need someone to play around 20mins a game.

Roy doing that in LA and Demelo is on the Jets top paring line.

I think it's important to "disconnect" pay from calibre.

As of right now, we have:

- Rielly, a #1, probably on amongst the middle of the league, or a lower-end #1 amongst playoff teams.
- Brodie at this point is probably an average #3, or high quality #4.
- McCabe, who is an average #4, or high quality #5.
- Liljegren, who is a below average #4, or average #5.
- Lyubushin, who is a below average #4 or average #5.
- Edmundson, who is an average #5 and probably above average #6.
- Benoit, who is a average #6.

If the Leafs want to have success, they're going to have to have at least an average blueline amongst playoff teams. That can be achieved by getting a #2, #3, treating McCabe as 4, Liljegren as 5, and Benoit as 6.

Getting 2 guys like Roy & Demelo, who are probably somewhere between Brodie & McCabe simply isn't going to cut it.

Go out and get Pesce plus Roy or Zadorov, AND have Liljegren take a step forward, then maybe you're talking about a a solid basis for a blueline; but the Leafs likely don't have the cap flexibility for that, nor the attractiveness to sign Brett Pesce.

Similarly, if Hanifin somehow doesn't end up in Vegas or Tampa, getting him would be a huge bump to the team, but again, I think there's a "willingness to sign in Toronto" factor that will likely stop it.
 
I would trade for Matt Roy’s rights at the draft to try to get an 8th year to keep the cap down. He would be the perfect partner for Rielly to to end out their careers.
 
I think it's important to "disconnect" pay from calibre.

As of right now, we have:

- Rielly, a #1, probably on amongst the middle of the league, or a lower-end #1 amongst playoff teams.
- Brodie at this point is probably an average #3, or high quality #4.
- McCabe, who is an average #4, or high quality #5.
- Liljegren, who is a below average #4, or average #5.
- Lyubushin, who is a below average #4 or average #5.
- Edmundson, who is an average #5 and probably above average #6.
- Benoit, who is a average #6.

If the Leafs want to have success, they're going to have to have at least an average blueline amongst playoff teams. That can be achieved by getting a #2, #3, treating McCabe as 4, Liljegren as 5, and Benoit as 6.

Getting 2 guys like Roy & Demelo, who are probably somewhere between Brodie & McCabe simply isn't going to cut it.

Go out and get Pesce plus Roy or Zadorov, AND have Liljegren take a step forward, then maybe you're talking about a a solid basis for a blueline; but the Leafs likely don't have the cap flexibility for that, nor the attractiveness to sign Brett Pesce.

Similarly, if Hanifin somehow doesn't end up in Vegas or Tampa, getting him would be a huge bump to the team, but again, I think there's a "willingness to sign in Toronto" factor that will likely stop it.

Willingness to sign, is always going to be a question mark. We don't know what any of these guys are thinking. I still think that finding the right partner for Rielly, is going to be a trade... but an offseason trade this time. A Parayko/Larsson/Weegar type... though Pesce would fit, even if he's lost a step.

I don't think the cap is going to be an issue. Just playing with numbers, and I've got $13.5 million, for a 3C, 1st pairing RD, 2nd pairing LD, and goalie to play with Woll... Oh, and that $13.5 would be a 23 man roster
 
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