GDT: Trades & Free Agency

[Rare Jewel]

I would trade for Matt Roy’s rights at the draft to try to get an 8th year to keep the cap down. He would be the perfect partner for Rielly to to end out their careers.

8 years? I'd struggle to offer 5.

 

[WTFMAN99]

8 years? I'd struggle to offer 5.

I think we'll need to do 5 years to get him,

I figure 5.5-5.875M is about where we land

Brodie was 5M, inflation from there and natural right shot tax.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I don't think the cap is going to be an issue. Just playing with numbers, and I've got $12.2 million, for a 3C, 1st pairing RD, 2nd pairing LD, and goalie to play with Woll...

That's not going to be enough.

 

[Fogelhund]

That's not going to be enough.

Sorry, it was $13.5... and that's plenty.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think we'll need to do 5 years to get him,

I figure 5.5-5.875M is about where we land

Brodie was 5M, inflation from there and natural right shot tax.

Oh, some teams will, but the contract will age like milk.

The same goes for Pesce.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Oh, some teams will, but the contract will age like milk.

The same goes for Pesce.

He's 29?

29
30
31
32

if his 33 year old season sucks....I can live with that.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Sorry, it was $13.5... and that's plenty.

For two top 4 D, a 3rd line center, and a halfway decent goalie?

I really don't think so.


Have you moved Tavares in these calculations?

 

[Fogelhund]

For two top 4 D, a 3rd line center, and a halfway decent goalie?

I really don't think so.


Have you moved Tavares in these calculations?

No, Tavares isn't getting moved.

 

[Rare Jewel]

He's 29?

29
30
31
32

if his 33 year old season sucks....I can live with that.

If he's signing a 4-year contract, but some desperate GM will likely offer 7.

 

[Rare Jewel]

No, Tavares isn't getting moved.

Well, that is a whole other discussion.


Who are your UFA additions ?

 

[seanlinden]

Willingness to sign, is always going to be a question mark. We don't know what any of these guys are thinking. I still think that finding the right partner for Rielly, is going to be a trade... but an offseason trade this time. A Parayko/Larsson/Weegar type... though Pesce would fit, even if he's lost a step.

I don't think the cap is going to be an issue. Just playing with numbers, and I've got $13.5 million, for a 3C, 1st pairing RD, 2nd pairing LD, and goalie to play with Woll... Oh, and that $13.5 would be a 23 man roster

Don't ask me to source it, but as I recall, Hanifin specifically had all of the Canadian teams on his NTC and made it known he didn't want to play in Canada anymore.

I beleive there was also a report saying Pesce would not be ammenable to playing in Canada either.

That being said, I agree with you, a Rielly partner will likely have to come via trade. The challenge is, the Leafs don't have a ton of movable assets.

-Matthews, Marner & Nylander have NMCs.
-Tavares too, and he's worthless.
-Knies & Cowan are the guys you need in the lineup to afford the defensive upgrade. Minten likely too.
-Jarnkrok & Kampf are not needle-movers in a trade for a 2/3 defenceman.
- Brodie, Edmundson, Lyubushkin, Domi, Bertuzzi, McMann, and Samsonov are all UFAs / fairly worthless on the trade market.

So who does that leave you? Robertson, Liljegren, Benoit, and lesser prospects? I'm not sure that moves the needle for any type of long term solution.

 

[TMLAM34]

Don't ask me to source it, but as I recall, Hanifin specifically had all of the Canadian teams on his NTC and made it known he didn't want to play in Canada anymore.

I beleive there was also a report saying Pesce would not be ammenable to playing in Canada either.

That being said, I agree with you, a Rielly partner will likely have to come via trade. The challenge is, the Leafs don't have a ton of movable assets.

-Matthews, Marner & Nylander have NMCs.
-Tavares too, and he's worthless.
-Knies & Cowan are the guys you need in the lineup to afford the defensive upgrade. Minten likely too.
-Jarnkrok & Kampf are not needle-movers in a trade for a 2/3 defenceman.
- Brodie, Edmundson, Lyubushkin, Domi, Bertuzzi, McMann, and Samsonov are all UFAs / fairly worthless on the trade market.

So who does that leave you? Robertson, Liljegren, Benoit, and lesser prospects? I'm not sure that moves the needle for any type of long term solution.

Robertson, Liljegren, our 1st, etc are solid pieces in a trade to get a solid top four dman that you can pair with Rielly. I’ve mentioned Marino’s name a few times now. Then I’d look at Skjei in free agency. Improving from Brodie and Liljegren to Skjei and Marino alone is a pretty big improvement let alone other roster changes.

 

[Menzinger]

Easier and more convenient to say after a trade....

 

[Evilhomer]

Don't ask me to source it, but as I recall, Hanifin specifically had all of the Canadian teams on his NTC and made it known he didn't want to play in Canada anymore.

I beleive there was also a report saying Pesce would not be ammenable to playing in Canada either.

That being said, I agree with you, a Rielly partner will likely have to come via trade. The challenge is, the Leafs don't have a ton of movable assets.

-Matthews, Marner & Nylander have NMCs.
-Tavares too, and he's worthless.
-Knies & Cowan are the guys you need in the lineup to afford the defensive upgrade. Minten likely too.
-Jarnkrok & Kampf are not needle-movers in a trade for a 2/3 defenceman.
- Brodie, Edmundson, Lyubushkin, Domi, Bertuzzi, McMann, and Samsonov are all UFAs / fairly worthless on the trade market.

So who does that leave you? Robertson, Liljegren, Benoit, and lesser prospects? I'm not sure that moves the needle for any type of long term solution.

With the increase in the cap, UFA salaries will jump proportionately this off-season, so I think most people are under-estimating what it will cost to sign a lot of these guys.

 

[seanlinden]

Robertson, Liljegren, our 1st, etc are solid pieces in a trade to get a solid top four dman that you can pair with Rielly. I’ve mentioned Marino’s name a few times now. Then I’d look at Skjei in free agency. Improving from Brodie and Liljegren to Skjei and Marino alone is a pretty big improvement let alone other roster changes.

Call me crazy, or prejudice, but I just don't like Brady Skjei. I think his defensive skills are highly protected by the way Carolina plays; and the guy he plays with the vast majority of the time (Brett Pesce).

It's important to remember, that in Carolina, Skjei is just a "small" cog in that over-the-top Carolina D which includes Slavin, Burns, Pesce, and Orlov on a team that has a real commitment to 2-way play. Anywhere Skjei goes, including Toronto, he's likely going to a far less insulated role.

I also don't think it's about "getting a top 4 guy". The Leafs need to get a top 2 guy. Maybe he doesn't need to play with Morgan Rielly. Maybe it's a left handed shot and you try and build the left side like Tampa did successfully for years.

Noah Hanifin would actually be a solid fit, giving you a left side of Rielly, Hanifin and McCabe.... but all signs seem to point to him joining Vegas, and if that doesn't work out, probably Tampa.

With the increase in the cap, UFA salaries will jump proportionately this off-season, so I think most people are under-estimating what it will cost to sign a lot of these guys.

Yeah, I had mentioned this earlier in the thread I think. There's a ton of league-wide cap space this year with a $4m bump, with most teams having 2/3+ of the roster under contract. There aren't many high-end UFAs this year, and the mid-tier guys are going to see the big bump.

 

[jaric1862]

8 years? I'd struggle to offer 5.

I think he's worth every penny of the Mackenzie Weegar contract. There will be teams out there willing to give that to him.

 

[Legion34]

How good is Montour? I kinda thought he was no good but played phenomenal in the playoffs.

Is he worth a 6 million dollar deal?

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think he's worth every penny of the Mackenzie Weegar contract. There will be teams out there willing to give that to him.

I don't think he's on Weegar's level.

Weegar would actually be perfect but Calgary won't trade with us.

How good is Montour? I kinda thought he was no good but played phenomenal in the playoffs.

Is he worth a 6 million dollar deal?

In a perfect world

Rielly-Roy
McCabe-Montour
Edmundson-Lybushkin

Next year

Montour I would try to go 5M x3-4 years but really would prefer 3 years

Roy 5 years 5.5-5.875M

 

[TMLAM34]

Call me crazy, or prejudice, but I just don't like Brady Skjei. I think his defensive skills are highly protected by the way Carolina plays; and the guy he plays with the vast majority of the time (Brett Pesce).

It's important to remember, that in Carolina, Skjei is just a "small" cog in that over-the-top Carolina D which includes Slavin, Burns, Pesce, and Orlov on a team that has a real commitment to 2-way play. Anywhere Skjei goes, including Toronto, he's likely going to a far less insulated role.

I also don't think it's about "getting a top 4 guy". The Leafs need to get a top 2 guy. Maybe he doesn't need to play with Morgan Rielly. Maybe it's a left handed shot and you try and build the left side like Tampa did successfully for years.

Noah Hanifin would actually be a solid fit, giving you a left side of Rielly, Hanifin and McCabe.... but all signs seem to point to him joining Vegas, and if that doesn't work out, probably Tampa.



Yeah, I had mentioned this earlier in the thread I think. There's a ton of league-wide cap space this year with a $4m bump, with most teams having 2/3+ of the roster under contract. There aren't many high-end UFAs this year, and the mid-tier guys are going to see the big bump.

Unfortunately those top two defenceman rarely become available via trade. Parayko MIGHT be an option but I really don’t see any other top two available. I think the Leafs will need to go as a committee rather than having multiple elite pieces on the blueline.

Skjei definitely benefits from playing in such a well structured system but he’s solid defensively and provides good offence from the blueline. He’s big, can skate and move the puck really well. I’d say he can definitely be a #3 on any good team.

He’s also the next best overall defenceman available in free agency to Hanifin and I think the Leafs seriously need to make huge additions back there even if it means overpay a little.

 

[Evilhomer]

Yeah, I had mentioned this earlier in the thread I think. There's a ton of league-wide cap space this year with a $4m bump, with most teams having 2/3+ of the roster under contract. There aren't many high-end UFAs this year, and the mid-tier guys are going to see the big bump.

Especially the defensemen.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think he's worth every penny of the Mackenzie Weegar contract. There will be teams out there willing to give that to him.

You get a lot more offense with Weegar, but his contract is also far too long as well

 

[jaric1862]

You get a lot more offense with Weegar, but his contract is also far too long as well

All the best free agents get too long deals and we don't have the assets to trade for a top 4. We need to make a move in FA this year.

 

[seanlinden]

Unfortunately those top two defenceman rarely become available via trade. Parayko MIGHT be an option but I really don’t see any other top two available. I think the Leafs will need to go as a committee rather than having multiple elite pieces on the blueline.

Skjei definitely benefits from playing in such a well structured system but he’s solid defensively and provides good offence from the blueline. He’s big, can skate and move the puck really well. I’d say he can definitely be a #3 on any good team.

He’s also the next best overall defenceman available in free agency to Hanifin and I think the Leafs seriously need to make huge additions back there even if it means overpay a little.

Yeah I think you've got a higher assessment of Skjei than I do.... but agree with you in that is the real problem.

He might be the best of what's out there, but that doesn't mean he's good enough.

Right now the Leafs have 3/6 defencemen for next year -- Rielly, Liljegren and McCabe. Benoit ideally a #7.

Personally, I'm not comfortable with Skjei and Rielly out there together in a high-leverage situation. I'm also definitely not comfortable with Liljegren out there alongside either of them on a regular basis.

That means that you go out and sign Skjei, but you've still gotta go find 3 more defencemen to pair alongside Rielly, Skjei and McCabe. Sure, you have Liljegren as a trade chip, but good luck finding a guy who can play in your top 4 for the money he's likely after.

I don't pretend to have the magic solution here -- Treliving is in an extremely difficult spot right now as he doesn't really have assets to burn. If I were in his position, I'd probably target Zadorov, and then try to go shopping via trade for a guy like Larsson, Parayko, Pulock, Severson, Ryan Graves; or see if you can do a youth-for-youth swap for a guy like Braden Schneider or maybe even Sean Durzi.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Sorry, it was $13.5... and that's plenty.

I could be wrong, but I would think you’d be looking at $9 million at the least for a top pairing rhd

 

[Gabriel426]

Easier and more convenient to say after a trade....

IF he has a NTC or NMC, he has all the rights to reject trades, lol.

Having said that, he wasn't holding the Flames hostage, bc he was just holding them at gunpoint. lol