Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Dreakmur]

I'd like both Cogliano and Schwartz, but this place will lose their mind at two sub 6' wingers

Schwartz is a bit risky. Our lack of depth means an injury for him would be really rough. I like him, if he could stay healthy, he’s be my top choice for 1LW…

I’m fine if Toronto wants to build an attacking team, but circling with the puck isn’t attacking. Let’s build with some speed that actually attacks.

 

[Knies iT]

4th line PKers aren't worth 1.65 million.

Sure they are, especially on teams that can actually fill out their rosters.

Over the years we've seen current contenders employ ~1.5m+ PK specialists on their 4th line, just look at Tampa (Paquette, Goodrow at times), NYI (Clutterbuck, Cizikas, Martin, etc.), COL (Calvert, Bellemare, Soderberg, etc.), Vegas (Carrier), and the list goes on.

 

[Nylander88]

One thing is for sure, we need to add more grit and tenacity around this core. Hyman plays a hard game, but he isn't as nasty and annoying as a Coleman or a Goodrow. We need it throughout the lineup. Guys like Simmonds I think still have real value as an emotional leader, if we can bring him back for about 1mil (should be all it takes). Issue is when we don't have enough of it, guys like Simmonds font play quite as physical, because it's not the teams "style". Without any crazy trade scenarios, I think you can pretty much run back the D if Bogosian will come back, I thought it was a respectable back end. Bring back Galchenyuk, Spezza, Simmonds. Sign Coleman, Goodrow, Cizikas, Ritchie, Driedger. We go 4-4-1 in the expansion and keep the D in tact, we lose Kerfoot. Move Mikheyev & Engvall anywhere to make our supporting cast a nastier bunch.

Coleman-Matthews-Marner
Goodrow-Tavares-Nylander
Galchenyuk-Cizikas-Simmonds
Robertson-Spezza-Ritchie
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Bogosian
Campbell
Driedger

Maybe not as "flashy" team on paper..but I think a lot harder and more annoying to play against. Much better suited for the playoffs. Also, easily affordable/realistic to add those pieces and stay within the cap

 

[HoweHullOrr]

1st season will only cost 750g though.

Signing bonuses total $21,750,00 ($7.25 m X 3 years).

How many extra tickets does an owner need to sell at $50 per average ticket to equal $21,750,000?

Answer = 435,000

 

[Dreakmur]

Sure they are, especially on teams that can actually fill out their rosters.

Over the years we've seen current contenders employ ~1.5m+ PK specialists on their 4th line, just look at Tampa (Paquette, Goodrow at times), NYI (Clutterbuck, Cizikas, Martin, etc.), COL (Calvert, Bellemare, Soderberg, etc.), Vegas (Carrier), and the list goes on.

They aren’t worth it to teams that don’t have cap space.

 

[Antropovsky]

Schwartz is a bit risky. Our lack of depth means an injury for him would be really rough. I like him, if he could stay healthy, he’s be my top choice for 1LW…

I’m fine if Toronto wants to build an attacking team, but circling with the puck isn’t attacking. Let’s build with some speed that actually attacks.

Attacking team that keeps getting less and less skilled? Dermott gave up puck that led to goal.... galchenyuk gave up puck that led to goal.

If we played Montreals system against them...we likely win. Most of their goals seemed to be off us trying to hold onto the puck instead of making safe plays.

Don't have a play? Toss it down the boards or pin it to the boards... don't try to force an accross the blueline pass (toronto does this pass often) and don't do a 180 move just inside your damn blueline... get it over.

 

[Gallagbi]

They aren’t worth it to teams that don’t have cap space.

Didn't Nyi trade Toews due to cap issues and TB sat out their best players all year for the same reason? Were not the only team tight to the cap.

 

[Rielly4]

Didn't Nyi trade Toews due to cap issues and TB sat out their best players all year for the same reason? Were not the only team tight to the cap.

yeah but those teams have more cap spread around their lineup and are deeper and are also both in the conference finals.

 

[Cor]

I really do wonder if Goodrow is a big target for us. He's from Toronto. Shouldn't be overly expensive. We need some LWers. He has solid underlying stats.

It makes sense.

I think he and Michael Bunting, could be 2 guys we bring in.

Blake Coleman would be awesome. For some reason, I have doubt he'd come here, but that's based on nothing

 

[Dreakmur]

Attacking team that keeps getting less and less skilled? Dermott gave up puck that led to goal.... galchenyuk gave up puck that led to goal.

If we played Montreals system against them...we likely win. Most of their goals seemed to be off us trying to hold onto the puck instead of making safe plays.

Don't have a play? Toss it down the boards or pin it to the boards... don't try to force an accross the blueline pass (toronto does this pass often) and don't do a 180 move just inside your damn blueline... get it over.

Who said we should get less skilled? We just need to add skill that is t scared to engage. We need skill that is willing to put themselves on the line to get to a scoring area. Enough with the curls. Enough with the circles. Let’s go full tilt and actually try to beat defensemen.

 

[Dreakmur]

Didn't Nyi trade Toews due to cap issues and TB sat out their best players all year for the same reason? Were not the only team tight to the cap.

Partly due to cap issues and partly because they felt a 3rd pairing defenseman was expendable.

 

[Nylander88]

I really do wonder if Goodrow is a big target for us. He's from Toronto. Shouldn't be overly expensive. We need some LWers. He has solid underlying stats.

It makes sense.

I think he and Michael Bunting, could be 2 guys we bring in.

Blake Coleman would be awesome. For some reason, I have doubt he'd come here, but that's based on nothing

I feel the same way. I know the Toronto factor could mean nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised if more Toronto/GTA boys come this season. Goodrow seems like an obvious target. Tough as nails, plays hard, PKs, can be a great third liner or play the "Hyman role" for one of the top two lines. Bunting seems like a good buy low, candidate. And also a Toronto boy as you mentioned Limited experience but upside is clearly there. 750k x 2 years could get it done tbh. Brett Ritchie, an Orangeville boy, could be a good fourth line option. Guys like Reaves and Martin continue to show the importance of those type of players come playoff time. Cizikas could be another local option if we lose Kerfoot to Seattle. I'd love Coleman too, but I too feel he will be harder to obtain. Goodrow is definitely near the top of my wish list

 

[myleafs]

He's got another year at 1mill in STL. He might not have huge value in a trade, but I think he would be a great asset for the Leafs 4th line. He's still a good skater and is physical.

I never saw that physicality to be honest. Seemed like a scrub to me and I don't get the love in for him. Same with those who talk about bringing Simmonds back. His play was a major disappointment as far as I was concerned. He did nothing to answer what the Habs were doing physically and thats what he was brought here to do. But that is kinda the problem isnt it? Players with physical reputations come to the leafs and seemingly abandon that part of their game which renders them kinda useless. The team philosophy seems to be a non contact don't get involved in the tough stuff approach which can work during a long regular season though I still dont love it but in the playoffs you may as well just stay home and save yourself the trouble if that's the attitude going in. More and more its becoming apparent that this is a top down approach and personally I hate it. Non inspiring.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Does anybody have knowledge of Michael Bunting? Had 13 points (10 goals) in 21 GP for Arizona this year. He is turning 26, is a UFA and from Toronto. Former Greyhound, so Dubas I'm sure knows all about him. Bit of a red flag for me, he had 0 points for Canada at the World Championships this year. Worth noting, he is 22 (21 if counting players with more than 1 game played) for points per game this year for available free agent forwards.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Given out lack of draft picks coming up, I think the Leafs need to go full scorched earth for the expansion draft. Pick who between Holl/Dermott/Kerfoot to keep, and then trade the other two to recoup some picks. Let Seattle take Engvall. (We need to sort out exposure requirements but that's easy to do.)

I would trade Kerfoot, who as a middle six forward who can play centre should fetch a good return. Target teams would be teams protecting 7/3 who basically have a protection slot free. I would also trade Holl. Hopefully a team sees him playing second pair and overpays. I don't think many teams would include Holl as one of their three D-men, or expose their fifth best forward to protect him. So target teams would be the ones who expect to lose someone better than Holl - they can acquire and expose Holl without any risk.

This leaves Dermott as the guy I would protect. Still has lots of upside, and still is cheap for the moment.

Basically, it amounts to losing one of Kerfott/Holl/Dermott, with nothing to show for it, or losing two of them, but with a bunch of picks.

 

[Antropovsky]

Who said we should get less skilled? We just need to add skill that is t scared to engage. We need skill that is willing to put themselves on the line to get to a scoring area. Enough with the curls. Enough with the circles. Let’s go full tilt and actually try to beat defensemen.

The cap is who said we are getting less skilled. Kadri gone two years ago, Kapanen gone last year, Hyman possibly this offseason, maybe Kerfoot in expansion. Rielly coming up - especially of Hyman re-signs. Guys like Vesey aren't capable of the skilled game. Flat cap and 33 million tied up in Tavares, Marner and Matthews ....means a less and less skilled team.

You make it sound easy to add skill willing to The engage. Who do you have in mind that will fit into our cap?

 

[Dreakmur]

The cap is who said we are getting less skilled. Kadri gone two years ago, Kapanen gone last year, Hyman possibly this offseason, maybe Kerfoot in expansion. Rielly coming up - especially of Hyman re-signs. Guys like Vesey aren't capable of the skilled game. Flat cap and 33 million tied up in Tavares, Marner and Matthews ....means a less and less skilled team.

You make it sound easy to add skill willing to The engage. Who do you have in mind that will fit into our cap?

something like this should fit cap-wise…

Schwartz-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Marner
Goodrow-Haula-Archibald
Cogliano-Kuraly-Spezza

 

[Nylander88]

something like this should fit cap-wise…

Schwartz-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Marner
Goodrow-Haula-Archibald
Cogliano-Kuraly-Spezza

I'd like Archibald if we could work something out with Edmonton for cheap. Send Mikheyev or Engvall that direction. Pesty little player

 

[Knies iT]

I really do wonder if Goodrow is a big target for us. He's from Toronto. Shouldn't be overly expensive. We need some LWers. He has solid underlying stats.

It makes sense.

I think he and Michael Bunting, could be 2 guys we bring in.

Blake Coleman would be awesome. For some reason, I have doubt he'd come here, but that's based on nothing

Goodrow and Bunting are far and away the best, most suitable UFAs for the Leafs given their current situation.

Been saying Bunting's name for months now. A lot of people are cautious about his lack of NHL sample size despite playing just under 17min/game, but he was overcooked in the AHL and should have been called up after his 4th season with Tuscon. Watched him with team Canada at the Worlds and he was one of the more emotionally invested, competitive forwards in the games I saw. He played for Keefe/Dubas in the Soo and nobody mentions that connection (also came up through the GTHL system). Was a Leaf fan growing up and, as per his own words, models his game after Marchand.

EvolvingHockey projects his cap hit at 1mill and change, but I expect him to command closer to 2m ala Mikheyev.



Also, Goodrow is everything this team needs in the bottom six and his price won't exceed Kerfoot's cap hit. Tampa won't be able to retain him so he'll actually be available, unlike other options like Cizikas who will be retained. If management finally figures out they need a two-way shutdown line with identity, he would be a perfect LW cog there.

 

[ToneDog]

Goodrow and Bunting are far and away the best, most suitable UFAs for the Leafs given their current situation.

Been saying Bunting's name for months now. A lot of people are cautious about his lack of NHL sample size despite playing just under 17min/game, but he was overcooked in the AHL and should have been called up after his 4th season with Tuscon. Watched him with team Canada at the Worlds and he was one of the more emotionally invested, competitive forwards in the games I saw. He played for Keefe/Dubas in the Soo and nobody mentions that connection (also came up through the GTHL system). Was a Leaf fan growing up and, as per his own words, models his game after Marchand.

EvolvingHockey projects his cap hit at 1mill and change, but I expect him to command closer to 2m ala Mikheyev.



Also, Goodrow is everything this team needs in the bottom six and his price won't exceed Kerfoot's cap hit. Tampa won't be able to retain him so he'll actually be available, unlike other options like Cizikas who will be retained. If management finally figures out they need a two-way shutdown line with identity, he would be a perfect LW cog there.

No way does Bunting get anywhere near $2m Dubie dollars. Goodrow is more likely to be in 65's pay range, Hope they can find somebody to take 65 and his $1.65m cap hit because we should be able to find better use for it.

 

[ToneDog]

The cap is who said we are getting less skilled. Kadri gone two years ago, Kapanen gone last year, Hyman possibly this offseason, maybe Kerfoot in expansion. Rielly coming up - especially of Hyman re-signs. Guys like Vesey aren't capable of the skilled game. Flat cap and 33 million tied up in Tavares, Marner and Matthews ....means a less and less skilled team.

You make it sound easy to add skill willing to The engage. Who do you have in mind that will fit into our cap?

Dubas most likely ices the team with the cheapest goaltending tandem in the league. Dubas is a pioneer. Your goalie is what wins you championships yet Dubas is now probably going to have to cheap out on ours. Next season could be over before it starts if Soupy cannot handle the #1 starter role.

 

[Cor]

Goodrow and Bunting are far and away the best, most suitable UFAs for the Leafs given their current situation.

Been saying Bunting's name for months now. A lot of people are cautious about his lack of NHL sample size despite playing just under 17min/game, but he was overcooked in the AHL and should have been called up after his 4th season with Tuscon. Watched him with team Canada at the Worlds and he was one of the more emotionally invested, competitive forwards in the games I saw. He played for Keefe/Dubas in the Soo and nobody mentions that connection (also came up through the GTHL system). Was a Leaf fan growing up and, as per his own words, models his game after Marchand.

EvolvingHockey projects his cap hit at 1mill and change, but I expect him to command closer to 2m ala Mikheyev.



Also, Goodrow is everything this team needs in the bottom six and his price won't exceed Kerfoot's cap hit. Tampa won't be able to retain him so he'll actually be available, unlike other options like Cizikas who will be retained. If management finally figures out they need a two-way shutdown line with identity, he would be a perfect LW cog there.

I have Bunting getting 900K-1.2M whole Goodrow getting 1.75M-2.2M.

I think both would be solid pickups.

 

[Stigma]

Just watched this "Mic'd up Chirps" vid. Konecny is hilarious! Such a mouthpiece. I want him on the team.


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[NiagaraKraken]

I really do wonder if Goodrow is a big target for us. He's from Toronto. Shouldn't be overly expensive. We need some LWers. He has solid underlying stats.

It makes sense.

I think he and Michael Bunting, could be 2 guys we bring in.

Blake Coleman would be awesome. For some reason, I have doubt he'd come here, but that's based on nothing

Exactly the moves this team should be making.

 

[sxvnert]

4th line PKers aren't worth 1.65 million.

Engvall is way too soft.

Rather have a 1.65m PKer than a 1.5m "tough guy" vet (simmonds)