Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

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Was just listening to Lebrun on overdrive and he was talking about Rielly. He said from what he gathered, the Leafs won't be able to afford Rielly's number and odds are the Leafs will have to make a decision on Rielly prior to making any significant moves. He then continued on saying Dubas does not want to have another player playing in his final year without an extension (Hyman, Anderson) He stated Dubas said it was difficult to make any moves with salary last year because of the uncertainty of the salary cap.

So in saying that, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Rielly is traded pretty early in this off season.
 
Was just listening to Lebrun on overdrive and he was talking about Rielly. He said from what he gathered, the Leafs won't be able to afford Rielly's number and odds are the Leafs will have to make a decision on Rielly prior to making any significant moves. He then continued on saying Dubas does not want to have another player playing in his final year without an extension (Hyman, Anderson) He stated Dubas said it was difficult to make any moves with salary last year because of the uncertainty of the salary cap.

So in saying that, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Rielly is traded pretty early in this off season.

Expansion is also going to hold up most major moves too.

If the front office wants extra spending money for free agency we'll see trades closer to the draft (which I think is a week following the expansion draft?)
 
Expansion is also going to hold up most major moves too.

If the front office wants extra spending money for free agency we'll see trades closer to the draft (which I think is a week following the expansion draft?)

July 17: Deadline for teams to submit protected lists for 2021 NHL Expansion Draft (5 p.m. ET).
July 21: 2021 NHL Expansion Draft (8 p.m. ET).
July 23: First round of 2021 NHL Draft.
July 24: Rounds 2-7 of 2021 NHL Draft.
July 28: Restricted free agent/unrestricted free agent signing period begins (12 p.m. ET).
 
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Trades:

1. Kerfoot for Dvorak (1 mil retained).
Reason: Dvorak does more and has familiarity playing with Mitch and they were an absolute force together in the O. Dvorak has a higher cap hit and is due to make more money than his AAV, meanwhile Kerfoot has a lower cap hit and is due almost half the amount of money after bonuses being paid out this summer. I think this trade is attractive as Arizona can retain $1 mil on the cap to lower the AAV for Dvorak to match Kerfoot and in return, they get a player who is getting significantly less money with a similar term while maintaining the cumulative AAV of around 4.5.

2. Holl to Seattle.
Reason: Expansion draft casualty. I think we end up protecting 7 forwards and 3 D and that will leave Holl exposed. It'll allow us to keep Adam Brooks however and I think he'll be a very worthy bottom 6 guy for us going forward.


UFA signings:

Blake Coleman: I think he does everything Hyman does to a lesser tenacity but unlike Hyman, Coleman has hands and skills to finish if he gets top 6 minutes. I think he would have a bigger net impact and he's slightly younger than Hyman and will command arguably less money. The downside is, he's not as good as Hyman when it comes to the defensive side of things like on the PK etc. He has been a great player even when playing for the Devils and I've always liked him.

Mikael Granlund: Another guy, smaller but skilled veteran that Dubas has been linked to for a very long time. I think he makes sense because provides that top 6 with a stable veteran presence and he is a fantastic playmaker on a line with 2 shooters/ 2 way forwards. Give us a good balance of skill in the top 6. He's also relatively reliable defensively.

Nick Bjugstad: Big body, good player, can be a major factor when going but I think he provides a decent amount of skill, grit, physicality to a 3rd line and he can move up or down the lineup adequately. I don't think he's going to cost an arm and a leg either to sign and given the opportunities to play with our big guns to push for a final big contract in his career, I think he might find the opportunity enticing.

Tyler Bozak: We all know Bozie. He's a good pro, very good on the dot, reliable 2-way guy and has championship experience. We know he's done fantastic in this market during arguably the leanest years in recent memory and I think he would be a great fit for the 4th line and provide extra offense and defensive depth. Capable of moving up and down the lineup as well. Isn't completely washed up yet so that's a big plus.

Jason Spezza: 'Nuff said.

Jonathan Bernier: Same thing as Bozie. Old vet for us who has the experience and played tremendously last year for the Wings behind a team that was beyond atrocious at times. I think he's more than capable of sliding in and giving us good quality starts if need be. Otherwise, being a high pick and not having a super star career, I think him and Jack have a lot of similarities and can probably form a good working relationship.

Prospects:
Nick Robertson: I think we give Robertson a full-time go at the 3rd line. Ease him in and let him play with Dvorak who has enough skill to help push the play and if we decide to balance out the lineups and put Mitch down there once in a while, that line could be very dangerous.

Timothy Liljegren: He's shown that he's ready for the challenge. Yes, he's had tough moments in the show but he's too good for the AHL and at some point, he needs to be thrown into the fire and allowed to adjust and mold his game to the NHL style. Being on a 3rd pair we can shelter him a little bit and let him grow into his role.
 
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I can't tell if that's serious or not but thank you lol.

I have *strong* opinions and have lots of egg on face moments, that's hockey :)
Nah I’m serious.

I’ll be over on those boards a lot. I’m really behind Seattle, they’re my West team and I’m stoked for them to get started
 
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Was just listening to Lebrun on overdrive and he was talking about Rielly. He said from what he gathered, the Leafs won't be able to afford Rielly's number and odds are the Leafs will have to make a decision on Rielly prior to making any significant moves. He then continued on saying Dubas does not want to have another player playing in his final year without an extension (Hyman, Anderson) He stated Dubas said it was difficult to make any moves with salary last year because of the uncertainty of the salary cap.

So in saying that, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Rielly is traded pretty early in this off season.


There was some serious consideration given to making Reilly the captain of the Leafs. Like him or not, he is a leader for the Leafs, is very well liked and loves playing for Toronto. If moved he will be missed dearly; and I don't see Dubas making that move lightly. Here is a player I can see signing for a team discount
 
Nah I’m serious.

I’ll be over on those boards a lot. I’m really behind Seattle, they’re my West team and I’m stoked for them to get started

They're a fun little side team for me to follow now

Leafs are my East team, Chicago my West.

One is a perpetual screw up and the other is re-tooling/rebuilding...Seattle is a clean slate...and possibly a good distraction for the next year.
 
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Y’all should be tried in sports court for cheering for 2 teams.

If the Leafs and Blackhawks ever face one another in the SCF, I will lean towards the Leafs but I probably die before that day comes so not much of a conflict in my eyes.
 
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Rielly has been the best defenseman on our team for a long time. He was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Can play in all situations, and is a leader.

You keep Rielly 100% of the time over Marner.

Lock up Rielly 7x8 and make a decision on the forward group. I dont want to hear any more on this topic.
 
If you can get Eichel for Marner, you obviously do it. Strength down the middle wins cups. You don't need to play all 3 of them at C every shift. Mix it up, keep the opponent on their toes, and make the coach earn his paychecks.

That said, I'd prefer sell Marner for young depth. I like some of the Philly proposals, but it has to be multiple pieces.

This team has zero scoring depth. Our top line didn't get it done, and so we lost.
 
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Rielly has been the best defenseman on our team for a long time. He was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Can play in all situations, and is a leader.

You keep Rielly 100% of the time over Marner.

Lock up Rielly 7x8 and make a decision on the forward group. I dont want to hear any more on this topic.

Yeah but if Hamilton does test out free agency and we can get him for around the same price as Rielly I think you have to trade Rielly at that point. Would be a sad day but it's what would be best for the team in the long run. Trade Marner for Seguin and sign Rask in free agency and lets get what should've been ours in the first place. lol i'm just joking about the Seguin and Rask stuff because I know some would take that seriously.
 
BIG IF but if Eichel is healthy and Buf wants to do a Marner for Eichel you drive Marner to the border and say bye.

Eichel can line up on the wing and gives the Leaf's offense a whole different dynamic.

How do we see Marner? As the guy who fed Tavares last year and Mathews this year for all their goals or was it those 2 guys who were great shooters and scorers who finished off passes.

It's like Brett Hull and Adam Oates was it Oates that make Hull or was it Hull's ability to shoot and score make him what he is. Was it Craig Janney who made Hull before that?

This is where Marner is.

Now Eichel can score on his own by creating his own offense and has a great shot. So on the PP now you have 3 shooters in Tavares, Matthews and Eichel who do you cover and add in Nylander so which 4 guys do you cover.

Eichel can play C or the wing depending on Tavares and drive his own line and like Matthews take a more physical approach to the game than Marner.
 
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Yeah but if Hamilton does test out free agency and we can get him for around the same price as Rielly I think you have to trade Rielly at that point. Would be a sad day but it's what would be best for the team in the long run. Trade Marner for Seguin and sign Rask in free agency and lets get what should've been ours in the first place. lol i'm just joking about the Seguin and Rask stuff because I know some would take that seriously.

Hamilton is a loser who doesnt play on the top line, and no one wants him on their team. Gets kicked out of every team
 
This really does feel like the "Boston trades Kessel" moment for the Leafs. Do what's best for the club.

Marner's contract is horrific but it could have been salvageable if COVID had not happened and the cap had grown as projected. At this point it just doesn't work.

Horrific? People are really under selling Marner. I understand people are upset with his playoff performance past couple years but he's still a good player lol. At 10.9m he might slightly overpaid but by 1 million or so.

First Year: 61 in 77gp
Second year: 69 in 82gp
Third year: 94 in 82
Fourth year: 67 in 59 (On pace for 94 if not for injury)
This year 67 in 55 (On pace for 100 points in full 82 game season)

Take a Look a the highest paid wingers and their point totals...

Panarin - 11.6m (Multiple 80 point seasons and one 90 point season)
Kane - 10.5m (He has had two 100+ point seasons and hasn't hit 90 points in any other.)
Ovie - 9.5m (He signed this contract in 2008) -- Ovies just a beast, and the greatest goal scorer to play the game.
Benn - 9.5m (Hasn't hit over 90 points once)
Stone - 9.5m (Highest point total was 65 points..)
Kucherov - 9.5m (Savage of a player, has hit 100 points twice and 90 points mutiple times)
Rantanen - 9.2m (Two 80 point seasons, was on past last year for 80 points)
Skinner - 9m (Now this is an horrific contract)

As much as people want to rip on Marner his play has been fine in the regular season and he might have not scored in 18 playoff games, he still has 25 points in 32 playoff games. The difference between Mitch and everyone listed above apart from Rantenen who are the same age (24) -- They are all older and declining while Mitch is just about to enter his prime.
 
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As the Islanders’ success reignites the Lamoriello vs. Dubas debate, could Tuukka Rask bring the Leafs that ‘killer instinct?’ | The Star

Mostly that was Freddie Andersen — a goalie acquired by Lamoriello — and this year it was Jack Campbell. Campbell was a great story all season, and he stood up admirably to the difficult task of going head-to-head with Price this spring. But if you want to talk about Toronto’s lack of killer instinct, you have to be willing to talk about Campbell allowing that soft opening goal of Game 7 to Montreal’s Brendan Gallagher. A goalie hoping to beat Price, or win a Stanley Cup, just cannot allow that goal. It was exactly the kind of soft playoff goal Andersen had been surrendering at critical times in the four previous playoff seasons.

Montreal’s edge in the crease gradually wore down the Leafs. Which brings us to this element of “How to fix the Leafs?,” a beloved parlour game in these parts every spring for 54 years now.

The most direct solution in goal, of course, would be for the Leafs to develop their own goaltending. That takes time. As far as drafting and/or signing young goalies and training them to become No. 1 puckstoppers, the Leafs as an organization have failed miserably for decades. They don’t like drafting them in the first round, for starters. Right now, they have goalie prospects Joseph Woll, Veini Vehvilainen, Ian Scott and newly signed Erik Kallgren. One of them might surprise and become an NHL starter, or they all might turn out to be either Justin Pogge or Jussi Rynnas.

The best one they ever drafted was probably Rask in 2005, also the last goalie taken in the first round of the draft by the Leafs. Which brings us around to an interesting concept now that the Bruins are out and Rask is just days away from unrestricted free agency. Could acquiring the goalie they once traded away to get Andrew Raycroft give the Leafs the edge they need?

In some ways, it’s a similar situation to 2002 when Curtis Joseph fled to Detroit and 37-year-old Ed Belfour was signed as Joseph’s replacement. Belfour played very well for the Leafs, although the team didn’t win anything. He certainly brought intensity and a winner’s attitude to the dressing room.

Rask, 34, is a very different character. He’s a thoughtful type who opted out of the bubble playoffs in 2020 mostly out of concern for his family. It was just another reason for Rask haters to doubt his mettle.

At the same time, Rask is accomplished and intense, albeit in a different way than Belfour. He played injured against the Islanders and wasn’t at his best, but he gutted it out. The Bruins, who turned the page on Zdeno Chara last year, now have both Rask and David Krejci heading to free agency, while Patrice Bergeron will be 36 when the next NHL season begins.

With the team in transition, GM Don Sweeney could be ready to turn the crease over to 22-year-old Jeremy Swayman. Certainly, there’s no intention to keep paying Rask $7 million per season.

Now, the notion of Rask-to-the-Leafs is fraught with obstacles. One, he may retire. Two, he has said he doesn’t want to play for any other team. Three, Campbell deserves a chance next season, and is on a very affordable contract. Four, the Leafs at present don’t have the cap space to absorb Rask, even at 50 per cent of his current salary. Finally, other team priorities may come first.

That said, it should be abundantly clear the Leafs need better goaltending, and that should be a much higher priority than, say, bringing back Jason Spezza. You want killer instinct? Well, look at what Price is doing for the Canadiens.

Rask might not be a realistic option. There would be something poetic, however, about the needlessly sacrificed prospect coming back to where it all started to put that team over the playoff hump.
 
Bringing Rask here would be a nice symbolic way to close the loop on the start of a very terrible era. But he doesn't strike me as a player who would want anything to do with the Toronto Maple Leafs. His swagger would be a welcome addition though.
 
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