Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Stigma]

Would like to see Galchenyuk back at multiple years. I think he worked really hard, definitely has middle six talent, and if in the top 6 could definitely bust loose for 20+ goals. Give him a few years so you don't have to give him a raise or let him walk the following year. He's been bounced around so much lately than he might want to lock into a place for 2-3 years, even if it is only at 1-1.5mil per

Good post. This is the time we can lock him up for a cheap price for 3 years. I'm sure he's tired of bouncing around and will take a value offer if there's term. He is hard working and offensively talented. Just needs more work on D. Probably one of the cheapest high-ceiling offensive guys we're going to find out there.

 

[4thline]

Would like to see Galchenyuk back at multiple years. I think he worked really hard, definitely has middle six talent, and if in the top 6 could definitely bust loose for 20+ goals. Give him a few years so you don't have to give him a raise or let him walk the following year. He's been bounced around so much lately than he might want to lock into a place for 2-3 years, even if it is only at 1-1.5mil per

I was just thinking last night how I seem to be forgetting about him everytime I try and look for low cost high upside LW's. I don't know if there is a better bang for the buck UFA option out there, and it wouldn't surprise me if something is worked out pending the expansion draft.

 

[Stephen]

Andrew Mangiapane is a bit of a dirtbag but a local guy and probably someone that would help.

 

[Super Mega]

I was just thinking last night how I seem to be forgetting about him everytime I try and look for low cost high upside LW's. I don't know if there is a better bang for the buck UFA option out there, and it wouldn't surprise me if something is worked out pending the expansion draft.

Some stability would help him a ton, his trip to the Marlies seemed to reset his rocky career a bit. If you could in theory buy a few years at a low cap hit it could be a bargain before you know it.

This thread is full of current playoff performers all going to the leafs for cheap, can't see any of that happening

 

[4thline]

Some stability would help him a ton, his trip to the Marlies seemed to reset his rocky career a bit. If you could in theory buy a few years at a low cap hit it could be a bargain before you know it.

This thread is full of current playoff performers all going to the leafs for cheap, can't see any of that happening

Also with his age a steady 3 year run sets him up for a decent UFA contract at 30 when the cap starts to rise again. Keeping on that idea of a 27 year old or younger UFA that might buy into the idea of opportunity + stability to set them up big

McGinn- not as much upside, also might get paid anyway on grit factor
Paquette- potentially limited upside
Bunting- younger, very small track record, is he a flash in the pan?
Hinnestroza- small for his upside
Grigorenko- size, upside, does he play the style we need to bring in?
Cagguila- high energy, but small and limited upside

 

[Stigma]

Some stability would help him a ton, his trip to the Marlies seemed to reset his rocky career a bit. If you could in theory buy a few years at a low cap hit it could be a bargain before you know it.

This thread is full of current playoff performers all going to the leafs for cheap, can't see any of that happening

Yep. I keep seeing Perry penciled into fantasy line-ups, but why wouldn't he resign with the Habs? I'm sure Bergevin wants him back and he seems to really like playing there from what I've seen.

 

[Cor]

Would like to see Galchenyuk back at multiple years. I think he worked really hard, definitely has middle six talent, and if in the top 6 could definitely bust loose for 20+ goals. Give him a few years so you don't have to give him a raise or let him walk the following year. He's been bounced around so much lately than he might want to lock into a place for 2-3 years, even if it is only at 1-1.5mil per

I think he'd sign a 1x1 deal tbh. He seems like a good fit with Tavares and Nylander, and that would give the Leafs the ability to use money at other forward spots, and Galchenyuk a chance to build value for next year. I'd be surprised if he'd sign a 2-3 year deal at that low of an amount.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think he'd sign a 1x1 deal tbh. He seems like a good fit with Tavares and Nylander, and that would give the Leafs the ability to use money at other forward spots, and Galchenyuk a chance to build value for next year. I'd be surprised if he'd sign a 2-3 year deal at that low of an amount.

Character problems in the past, no reason for us to go beyond the 1 year either.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Andrew Mangiapane is a bit of a dirtbag but a local guy and probably someone that would help.

He seems like the prototype of a guy who would come in and basically be absorbed and influenced by our weak culture. Also there is speculation he'd come in at around 4.5 which may be a little rich for us given his size and lack of bite.

Admittedly, I've always thought he was skilled from watching him in CGY and more recently in the WHC, he'd probably fit well here and would certainly be a skill-upgrade on Hyman on the left side. He just won't have anywhere close to the physical presence that Hyman did. He'd be a great target if we did end up trading Marner.

 

[SeenSchenn2]

I think he'd sign a 1x1 deal tbh. He seems like a good fit with Tavares and Nylander, and that would give the Leafs the ability to use money at other forward spots, and Galchenyuk a chance to build value for next year. I'd be surprised if he'd sign a 2-3 year deal at that low of an amount.

He should definitely sign for that - we put him in a position to succeed whereas other teams just kinda tossed him around (deservedly so; he didn't play well).

I also like Tomas Nosek as a sneaky/cheaper signing to play LW with 34. His shot impacts are pretty good.

 

[Stephen]

He seems like the prototype of a guy who would come in and basically be absorbed and influenced by our weak culture. Also there is speculation he'd come in at around 4.5 which may be a little rich for us given his size and lack of bite.

Admittedly, I've always thought he was skilled from watching him in CGY and more recently in the WHC, he'd probably fit well here and would certainly be a skill-upgrade on Hyman on the left side. He just won't have anywhere close to the physical presence that Hyman did. He'd be a great target if we did end up trading Marner.

I would envision an offseason where we add the equivalent of a Mangiapane, and a couple of mid 20s grit grinders to shake up the culture. You can tell who those playoff dirt bags are. Send the message to the core there’s some new guys in town.

 

[4thline]

I wonder about poaching Beauvillier or Bluegers via OS pressure, only a 2nd to take them up to 4.1m.

 

[Stephen]

He should definitely sign for that - we put him in a position to succeed whereas other teams just kinda tossed him around (deservedly so; he didn't play well).

I also like Tomas Nosek as a sneaky/cheaper signing to play LW with 34. His shot impacts are pretty good.

VGK also uses Nosek on the faceoffs. Seem to recall him taking a ton of draws to start periods in the playoff bubble last summer.

 

[WTFMAN99]

VGK also uses Nosek on the faceoffs. Seem to recall him taking a ton of draws to start periods in the playoff bubble last summer.

He's a very good 4C, maybe even capable of playing 3C but also hasn't been able to stay healthy consistently.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I would envision an offseason where we add the equivalent of a Mangiapane, and a couple of mid 20s grit grinders to shake up the culture. You can tell who those playoff dirt bags are. Send the message to the core there’s some new guys in town.

We can only hope.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What's worse, not committing to a united philosophy or committing to something that has never worked before?

Why bother bringing in Dubas for whatever model he's trying to do if we keep watering it down with non-Dubas players. This is so frustrating lol

 

[dubplatepressure]

A lot of those moves just feel like we are trying to emulate other teams choices to build our roster.

Tampa had Coleman and Goodrow at less than 3M combined if I'm not mistaken for 2 playoff runs.

If we get them we are looking at 4.5 for Coleman and maybe 2 for Goodrow, going up to 6.5M for two guys who are a bit older, more worn down due to back to back lengthy playoffs and would be facing high expectations to perform constantly in Toronto

Cizikas is of a similar boat, as he's been a 3C type player playing on the 4th line for the isles. He will get 3-3.5M as a UFA and is entering the stage where a lot of players' games (especially physical grinding types) fall of heavily.

I hope we can trade for guys who we think can be the next coleman/goodrow/cizikas and insulate them in the 3rd and 4th line.

Move out 2 of Kerfoot, Engvall, Mikheyev,

have Spezza + Perry be the vets on the 4th line, find 2 players at least in the 23-26 age group who haven't broke out but play a style like the UFA targets mentioned above. We can have them be the heavy lifters on the 4th line with Spezza + Perry being the Savy veteran guys. Let one of Kerfoot/Mik/Engvall stick in the bottom 6 and then the final spot let the winner of Anderson/Brooks/Robertson get it to serve as a skilled player on the 3rd line.

Meant to come back to this - I don't totally buy the idea that younger is always better - Matt Martin's contributions are solid and he's 32 - but ok so who can we target that's younger? Let's get some names going for reference purposes.

Andrew Mangiapane (25)
M Tkachuk (23)
B Coleman (29)
B Goodrow (28)
Miles Wood (25)
Philip Tomasino (19)
Mason Shaw (22)
Tanner Jeannot (24)
Nicholas Caamano (22)

I threw some names out there for argument's sake - Wood, Tomasino, Jeannot, and Caamano. I particularly like Caamano - just 22 YO, 6'3", from blue collar Hamilton, and can play the game at a high level.

 

[Stephen]

We can only hope.

I think that’s coming one way or another. It’s going to happen to help the core. Or replace the core.

 

[Stephen]

What's worse, not committing to a united philosophy or committing to something that has never worked before?

Why bother bringing in Dubas for whatever model he's trying to do if we keep watering it down with non-Dubas players. This is so frustrating lol

The absolute worst is having an inexperienced GM try to execute a naive vision that has no historical precedent and then realize it the hard way on the company dollar and the fan base’s time. Moving to a more battle tested recipe is absolutely the right move but what holds him back is the “unique” allocation of cap dollars already committed (pre-pandemic).

Sports isn’t the most complicated thing in the world. If you were in an environment where the Big 4 made sense but a world changing event occurred. Maybe change the Big 4 instead of bemoaning the pandemic relating and refusing to change.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The absolute worst is having an inexperienced GM try to execute a naive vision that has no historical precedent and then realize it the hard way on the company dollar and the fan base’s time. Moving to a more battle tested recipe is absolutely the right move but what holds him back is the “unique” allocation of cap dollars already committed (pre-pandemic).

Sports isn’t the most complicated thing in the world. If you were in an environment where the Big 4 made sense but a world changing event occurred. Maybe change the Big 4 instead of bemoaning the pandemic relating and refusing to change.

Your responses and statements on this are way more level headed than mine about this whole thing.

I am no less pissed about the series loss today than I was at the time of it.

 

[shortfuze]

The absolute worst is having an inexperienced GM try to execute a naive vision that has no historical precedent and then realize it the hard way on the company dollar and the fan base’s time. Moving to a more battle tested recipe is absolutely the right move but what holds him back is the “unique” allocation of cap dollars already committed (pre-pandemic).

Sports isn’t the most complicated thing in the world. If you were in an environment where the Big 4 made sense but a world changing event occurred. Maybe change the Big 4 instead of bemoaning the pandemic relating and refusing to change.

so just out of curiosity. now knowing that the world changing event has happened, what do you do with those big 4? especially with a flat lined cap. do you trade them and take pennies on the dollar or keep them until the market corrects itself? if im the gm and im not getting proper value, i keep them.

 

[Duffman955]

Tbh I saw the series loss on coaching not the players.

We had the advantage in every stat except wins.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think he'd sign a 1x1 deal tbh. He seems like a good fit with Tavares and Nylander, and that would give the Leafs the ability to use money at other forward spots, and Galchenyuk a chance to build value for next year. I'd be surprised if he'd sign a 2-3 year deal at that low of an amount.

I don't mind Galchenyuk on a cheap contract, but we still need to make substantial changes. If we bring back Galch, then ALL of Engvall, Kerfoot, and Mikheyev have to go. Swapping 1 or 2 players doesn't do the trick.

Chemistry with Tavares/Nylander shouldn't matter, since those two should be split next year. Keefe would be insane to keep Matthews and Marner together next season.

 

[Jozay]

Seravalli's Trade Targets: 20 names in play in the 'Summer of Jack' - Daily Faceoff

Some names that are available for trade, per Seravelli.

 

[Stephen]

so just out of curiosity. now knowing that the world changing event has happened, what do you do with those big 4? especially with a flat lined cap. do you trade them and take pennies on the dollar or keep them until the market corrects itself? if im the gm and im not getting proper value, i keep them.

If I’m Kyle Dubas I do my f’ing job and call 31 teams and take a detailed inventory on what I could get for any of the Big 4 excluding Matthews on the premise of making either a) a hockey deal for another star or b) pure futures to free up cap.

Then I talk to pro scouting and rank the scenarios and team fit against what we could do with the cap space in free agency with evolving intel on players who might have interest coming here.

Then I make a decision with all the prep work on whether to move one of them and who I would move with all the likely next steps roughed out.

But what do I know, I’m a just a 30 something year old with prescription glasses.